Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) take a look at this auction: https://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...mMakeTrack=true i've mailed the seller that the amount is unreasonable and stated he rip off people if he sells this 45 for the amount he's asking... in the Northern Soul Bible by Tim Brown and Martin Koppel this single is worth 75 pound and NOT 139 pound. I hate those greedy sellers! :angry: They are scum and don't give a damn about soul music as long as they make bucks! Edited June 17, 2005 by moonpirate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 i payed £150 for mine somthing you dont see alot of. Herd rumors that the issue is rarer but proberly just a selling tactic Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest northwest vinyl Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 take a look at this auction: https://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...mMakeTrack=true i've mailed the seller that the amount is unreasonable and stated he rip off people if he sells this 45 for the amount he's asking... in the Northern Soul Bible by Tim Brown and Martin Koppel this single is worth 75 pound and NOT 139 pound. I hate those greedy sellers! :angry: They are scum and don't give a damn about soul music as long as they make bucks! link Give the guy a break -- if it is an unreasonable price, then it won't sell, and if it sells (and it has a bid), then it wasn't so unreasonable. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 you've also got to remember these are price Guieds not bibles i wonder if mr brown had a copy for sale he would list it for £75 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Give the guy a break -- if it is an unreasonable price, then it won't sell, and if it sells (and it has a bid), then it wasn't so unreasonable. link it is unreasonable even if someone bought it. they just don't know. how can we teach them so they don't pay higher prices? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 you've also got to remember these are price Guieds not bibles i wonder if mr brown had a copy for sale he would list it for £75 link Herby Brown would do! I'm in! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 it is unreasonable even if someone bought it. they just don't know. how can we teach them so they don't pay higher prices? link send them an email with a link to a cheaper one. gotta find one first though! I do not see any harm in advising people to think twice about things. As long as the information is factual and not of someones opinion. At the end of the day whilst people without much intelligence are forking out above the odds prices it messes the whole rare soul market up for everyone else. apart from the sellers! Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 send them an email with a link to a cheaper one. gotta find one first though! I do not see any harm in advising people to think twice about things. As long as the information is factual and not of someones opinion. At the end of the day whilst people without much intelligence are forking out above the odds prices it messes the whole rare soul market up for everyone else. apart from the sellers! Shane link thanks Shane! that's a smart answer! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Seen a few the last twelve months or so...last one was £80 which I would have thought about right. Freddie North on same label I would have thought £150 (+) and thats rarer than RG. I think I listed one on one of Andy's list in recent months for £150. Edited June 17, 2005 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 send them an email with a link to a cheaper one. gotta find one first though! I do not see any harm in advising people to think twice about things. As long as the information is factual and not of someones opinion. At the end of the day whilst people without much intelligence are forking out above the odds prices it messes the whole rare soul market up for everyone else. apart from the sellers! Shane link Who decides it's fact? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 There is no 'right' price for old, secondhand records. There's only what someone is prepared to pay and ebay is the most democratic forum out there (i speak btw as no particular fan of ebay). What someone is prepared to pay is affected by the individual's circumstances and desire as much as by the apparent availability of the record. What someone paid last week, or what Tim Brown's book says it should sell for, or what it's on so-and-so's list for is all irrelevant. It may piss people off but that is the way it is unfortunately. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Who decides it's fact? link like I said, the factual part of the statement comes from proof of another 45 of the same description for sale elsewhere. If I saw a 45 for sale on soul source that I knew my mate was bidding on ebay for I would tell him about it. I know there isn't a 'correct' price but there is an approximate price on many 45s that exists within the scene and all who try to be part of it with regards to the supply. I don't think my comments require a economic and moral breakdown to be honest. I am sure we have all given and received advice regarding pricing. All I am trying to say is that I see no harm in passing on information to people who you think may be paying more than they should. Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 like I said, the factual part of the statement comes from proof of another 45 of the same description for sale elsewhere. If I saw a 45 for sale on soul source that I knew my mate was bidding on ebay for I would tell him about it. I know there isn't a 'correct' price but there is an approximate price on many 45s that exists within the scene and all who try to be part of it with regards to the supply. I don't think my comments require a economic and moral breakdown to be honest. I am sure we have all given and received advice regarding pricing. All I am trying to say is that I see no harm in passing on information to people who you think may be paying more than they should. Shane link But that proof may just be another opinion and therefore not fact and if it's an approximate price then it can't be fact just an opinion God I'm bored Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 But that proof may just be another opinion and therefore not fact and if it's an approximate price then it can't be fact just an opinion God I'm bored link are you wishin you had gone out to chalky mate? a price is not an opinion, its a fact. Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 are you wishin you had gone out to chalky mate? a price is not an opinion, its a fact. Shane link yes I do and if someone has a different price is that two facts....or two opinions see ya tomorrow hopefully Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 yes I do and if someone has a different price is that two facts....or two opinions see ya tomorrow hopefully link two wrongs dont make a right some say 'no man is an island'......I say 'what about Isle of man?' Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 opinions are like arseholes....we've all got one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Ehhmm..., where's Mike when you need him. Since this is not a sale, but a discussion about a sale, the "look at your box" section is the only apropriate place to discuss things such as this, cough, cough... "northernmod" seems to like the sellers records anyway, even if I agree that the price is way over the top. Seems like that is northernmod's problem though. Edited June 17, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 There is no 'right' price for old, secondhand records. There's only what someone is prepared to pay and ebay is the most democratic forum out there (i speak btw as no particular fan of ebay). What someone is prepared to pay is affected by the individual's circumstances and desire as much as by the apparent availability of the record. What someone paid last week, or what Tim Brown's book says it should sell for, or what it's on so-and-so's list for is all irrelevant. It may piss people off but that is the way it is unfortunately. link Agree completely with these views, Ebay is open, public and the market decides for itself. If you think a record is over-priced, simple , don't buy it. I totally disagree with mailing people to say things are over-priced, if someone can't be arsed to do a bit of research before throwing thier cash around then thats thier problem. A few examples for your perusal..... I put a demo of Mel Williams- Burn Baby Burn onto the Bay last year, got about 3 bids and sold for about 350 ish. A couple of months ago the less rare issue was sold by a US based seller for about 650 with 17 or so bids. That is closer to Manship's guide.I have 100% feedback and live in Edinburgh so easier to buy from,no import tax,etc.. Same batch of sales as Mel W, I had a defo (daisystamp) original of Alexander Patten, issue. This failed to meet the 150 reserve. A month or so back seen one go for over 300! Should I have been mailing all the bidders on these records bleating IT'S NOT FAIR? Don't think so. The market does decide itself, if you score, good luck to you, if it goes the other way, tough shit! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Agree completely with these views, Ebay is open, public and the market decides for itself. If you think a record is over-priced, simple , don't buy it. I totally disagree with mailing people to say things are over-priced, if someone can't be arsed to do a bit of research before throwing thier cash around then thats thier problem. A few examples for your perusal..... I put a demo of Mel Williams- Burn Baby Burn onto the Bay last year, got about 3 bids and sold for about 350 ish. A couple of months ago the less rare issue was sold by a US based seller for about 650 with 17 or so bids. That is closer to Manship's guide.I have 100% feedback and live in Edinburgh so easier to buy from,no import tax,etc.. Same batch of sales as Mel W, I had a defo (daisystamp) original of Alexander Patten, issue. This failed to meet the 150 reserve. A month or so back seen one go for over 300! Should I have been mailing all the bidders on these records bleating IT'S NOT FAIR? Don't think so. The market does decide itself, if you score, good luck to you, if it goes the other way, tough shit! link F****** great record Burn Baby Burn Mark One reason not fetching what it should is it's probably not that well known to the majority of folk. Only Andy Dyson and John Philips now and then playing this down here. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 take a look at this auction: https://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...mMakeTrack=true i've mailed the seller that the amount is unreasonable and stated he rip off people if he sells this 45 for the amount he's asking... in the Northern Soul Bible by Tim Brown and Martin Koppel this single is worth 75 pound and NOT 139 pound. I hate those greedy sellers! :angry: They are scum and don't give a damn about soul music as long as they make bucks! link I think someone can't afford it so is having a paddy Like has been said so many times a record is worth exactly what the highest bidder ios prepared to pay - no more - no less. I'll also have you know though that the seller is a very nice guy an someone I deal with quite often. I'm sure he's just selling at what he believes to be a reasonable price or what he's seen in the past. Can't be that high anyway it's got a bid... I'm not fussed anyway got a lovely white demo for £30 off Shifty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 F****** great record Burn Baby Burn Mark One reason not fetching what it should is it's probably not that well known to the majority of folk. Only Andy Dyson and John Philips now and then playing this down here. link A cracking record indeed Chalky, should have held onto it :angry: At least I still have Delilah Kennibew on Loma to remind me what the backing track is! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) I think someone can't afford it so is having a paddy Like has been said so many times a record is worth exactly what the highest bidder ios prepared to pay - no more - no less. I'll also have you know though that the seller is a very nice guy an someone I deal with quite often. I'm sure he's just selling at what he believes to be a reasonable price or what he's seen in the past. Can't be that high anyway it's got a bid... I'm not fussed anyway got a lovely white demo for £30 off Shifty link Don't think I've ever seen it for that price. If the buyer did his homework or just looked about he'd get one cheaper. And Shifty must have been having a silly moment it's never been 30 quid. Sold mine for double that 12 years ago. Price hasn't altered to much since then either so I can't understand a dealer like Shifty letting it go so cheap Edited June 17, 2005 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Top man that thur Shifty had many a bargain of him, RG being just one Edited June 17, 2005 by billytheboot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest northwest vinyl Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I think that seller is smart to ask for a hefty starting bid. A more typical ebay experience for a non-UK seller is to see their record sell for about half of what a UK dealer would sell it for, or less! I have had this experience more often than not. And I sold a US copy of Barbara Mills right here on Soul Source for $60, only to see it or an identical copy appear the next week on Manship's auction, and it finished at about $400 (I won't make that mistake again). So if a non-UK seller can get a decent price for his records, I say more power to 'em. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dennisoul Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Agree completely with these views, Ebay is open, public and the market decides for itself. If you think a record is over-priced, simple , don't buy it. I totally disagree with mailing people to say things are over-priced, if someone can't be arsed to do a bit of research before throwing thier cash around then thats thier problem. A few examples for your perusal..... I put a demo of Mel Williams- Burn Baby Burn onto the Bay last year, got about 3 bids and sold for about 350 ish. A couple of months ago the less rare issue was sold by a US based seller for about 650 with 17 or so bids. That is closer to Manship's guide.I have 100% feedback and live in Edinburgh so easier to buy from,no import tax,etc.. Same batch of sales as Mel W, I had a defo (daisystamp) original of Alexander Patten, issue. This failed to meet the 150 reserve. A month or so back seen one go for over 300! Should I have been mailing all the bidders on these records bleating IT'S NOT FAIR? Don't think so. The market does decide itself, if you score, good luck to you, if it goes the other way, tough shit! link Spot on Mark,it`s up for sale for a reason,to make some doe.If its too dear dinnae buy it.We`ve all payed over the odds at some point and thought f**k.It`s the only way we learn. As for somebody emailing me and saying I`m paying too much for a record they can go and kiss my a***.Unless it`s a good mate or I`m being offered another copy for cheaper. Edited June 17, 2005 by ANDY D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
FrankM Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 according to Popsike mint copy of Roosevelt Grier went for £109 in April. It was a promo copy. I've just realised by typing this i missed a copy of The Horse at £1.20 . That means i'll have to wade through several boxes to find my own copy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Agree completely with these views, Ebay is open, public and the market decides for itself. If you think a record is over-priced, simple , don't buy it. I totally disagree with mailing people to say things are over-priced, if someone can't be arsed to do a bit of research before throwing thier cash around then thats thier problem. A few examples for your perusal..... I put a demo of Mel Williams- Burn Baby Burn onto the Bay last year, got about 3 bids and sold for about 350 ish. A couple of months ago the less rare issue was sold by a US based seller for about 650 with 17 or so bids. That is closer to Manship's guide.I have 100% feedback and live in Edinburgh so easier to buy from,no import tax,etc.. Same batch of sales as Mel W, I had a defo (daisystamp) original of Alexander Patten, issue. This failed to meet the 150 reserve. A month or so back seen one go for over 300! Should I have been mailing all the bidders on these records bleating IT'S NOT FAIR? Don't think so. The market does decide itself, if you score, good luck to you, if it goes the other way, tough shit! link Look Money, People overpay for records all the time. Some sellers get multiple /high bids-because of their name first and the records second. Most e-bay buyers can't be bothered to do the research or look for same records by other sellers-They are sheep!! I honestly believe some buyers get a "boner" paying $50 for a $10-20 record and that they now have some sort of "street cred" for buying from one of the big boys. It's a Crazy Biz for sure! madboy aka souldrop Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest northwest vinyl Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Look Money, People overpay for records all the time. Some sellers get multiple /high bids-because of their name first and the records second. Most e-bay buyers can't be bothered to do the research or look for same records by other sellers-They are sheep!! I honestly believe some buyers get a "boner" paying $50 for a $10-20 record and that they now have some sort of "street cred" for buying from one of the big boys. It's a Crazy Biz for sure! madboy aka souldrop link This is exactly right. And also, part of the reason people who want records like "In My Tenament" want them is because they are prized by collectors. It isn't just about the music, no matter what anybody says. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 (edited) This is exactly right. And also, part of the reason people who want records like "In My Tenament" want them is because they are prized by collectors. It isn't just about the music, no matter what anybody says. link have to disagree on that never considered IMT to be a 'prized' record i bought it for the simple fact i like the record i would never buy a record because its 'prized' But i do see where your coming from Edited June 18, 2005 by Baz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest northwest vinyl Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 have to disagree on that never considered IMT to be a 'prized' record i bought it for the simple fact i like the record i would never buy a record because its 'prized' But i do see where your coming from link I just mean it is "prized" enough for people to spend over $100 on it. I certainly don't mean to suggest that the quality of the music isn't part of the equation. It is, and IMT is a great record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 I had a defo (daisystamp) original of Alexander Patten, issue. This failed to meet the 150 reserve. link I'm not surprised, it's only worth £75 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I'm not surprised, it's only worth £75 link I'll assume that's an opinion Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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