HI YA'LL

WATS THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THESE 3 ? WHEN I WAS A YOUNG PUP

STARTING OUT IN THE EARLY 80'S,EVERYTHING WAS NORTHERN SOUL!!

THEN YOU GOT MODERN & NORTHERN (MODERN BEING ANYTHING AFTER

1969" IE 1970") EASY!!!! THEN CAME 6'ts NEWIES THAT WAS EASY!!!!!!

NOW CROSS-OVER ,7O's & MODERN,

MAYBE SOME-ONE CAN HELP ME OUT ,

BEING A SUPID BRICKLAYER'

SHAUNY 'B'

P.S. WHAT's NORTHERN R&B?? SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS ANYTHING

BEFORE 1964, HOW TURE ??????????????????

CHEERS ALL

SHAUN.

Edited June 21, 200519 yr by SHAUN BYRNES

HI YA'LL

WATS THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THESE 3 ? WHEN I WAS A YOUNG PUP

STARTING OUT IN THE EARLY 80'S,EVERYTHING WAS NORTHERN SOUL!!

THEN YOU GOT MODERN & NORTHERN (MODERN BEING ANYTHING AFTER

1969" IE 1970") EASY!!!! THEN CAME 6'ts NEWIES THAT WAS EASY!!!!!!

NOW CROSS-OVER ,7O's & MODERN,

MAYBE SOME-ONE CAN HELP ME OUT ,

BEING A SUPID BRICKLAYER'

SHAUNY 'B'

P.S. WHAT NORTHERN R&B?? SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS ANYTHING

BEFORE 1964, HOW TURE ??????????????????

CHEERS ALL

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x-over=Ruby Andrews-Just lovin' you, stuff like that

7t's=easily identifiable by the production, if unsure then it's x-over

R&B=I have absolutely on idea!

hope this helps, albeit a bit brief!

x-over=Ruby Andrews-Just lovin' you, stuff like that

7t's=easily identifiable by the production, if unsure then it's x-over

R&B=I have absolutely on idea!

hope this helps, albeit a bit brief!

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HI CHEERS,

NOT REALLY SORRYI DON'T KNOW THE RUBY TUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I NEED THE BASIC'S !!!!!!!!!

I JUST PLAY 70'S ,NEED THIS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS

SORRY,

PLEASE TRY AGAIN

A,T,B,

x-over=Ruby Andrews-Just lovin' you, stuff like that

7t's=easily identifiable by the production, if unsure then it's x-over

R&B=I have absolutely on idea!

hope this helps, albeit a bit brief!

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Ruby Andrews;=6ts

7ts=7ts

RnB How long is a piece of string,doing it then!still doing it now!..

Crossover to me is early 70s stuff that sounds more like the late 60's.

I am sure some will agree and some of you will disagree.

Shane

Crossover to me is early 70s stuff that sounds more like the late 60's.

I am sure some will agree and some of you will disagree. 

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or late 60's stuff that sounds like early 70's stuff!

I'll get me coat!

HI CHEERS,

NOT REALLY SORRYI DON'T KNOW THE RUBY TUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I NEED THE BASIC'S !!!!!!!!!

I JUST PLAY 70'S ,NEED THIS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS

SORRY,

PLEASE TRY AGAIN

A,T,B,

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try Goldmines "Crossover Soul" vol. 1

Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding )

Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples...

Crossover

Dynells - Call on me

Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you

Continental Four - The way I love you

70s

Joseph Webster - My love is so strong

Eric Lomax c/up

Troy Johnson - I want you

Modern

Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic

Cloudburst - I'm lovin you

Nightchill - Hop skip & jump

Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares

Billy

Edited June 17, 200519 yr by billytheboot

Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding )

Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples...

Crossover

Dynells - Call on me

Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you

Continental Four - The way I love you

70s

Joseph Webster - My love is so strong

Eric Lomax c/up

Troy Johnson - I want you

Modern

Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic

Cloudburst - I'm lovin you

Nightchill - Hop skip & jump

Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares

Billy

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Your right about one thing!Billy nobody cares,if ya`like it it dont matter what it is,i like to think its soul others its down to them!

Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding )

Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples...

Crossover

Dynells - Call on me

Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you

Continental Four - The way I love you

*Pretty much crossover, but these are all what I'd call northern crossover or maybe crossover northern. Undanceable and weird (but soulful) ballads like 2001 Black Essence is pure crossover.

70s

Joseph Webster - My love is so strong

Eric Lomax c/up

Troy Johnson - I want you

*I still have not been presented with any proof (despite numerous requests!   ) that Joseph Webster is a 70's record, and particularly not a late 70's record like some have claimed. I simply don't believe it.

Modern

Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic

Cloudburst - I'm lovin you

Nightchill - Hop skip & jump

*All 70's aren't they? I agree they are basically 'modern' IMO, but Nightchill should be filed under '70's' using your system I think, perhaps even '70's northern'.   Modern nowadays is house 12's and Y2K5 jap import gospel CD's and stuff ain't it? Or at least it can be? Or is that just soo out and I just did not hear about it?

Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares

Billy

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Edited June 17, 200519 yr by Guest

You see that's where we differ Mr Herm...... I'd call 2001 Black Essence 70s soul, but that's MY opinion. Psychodelic Frankie is a good example of your "pure crossover" I suppose

Joseph Webster positively dates 1975. And you must be some sort of cloth-eared half-whit not to be able to tell it's 70s joke - don't get all righteous on me now Christian...

And as for the 3 I chose as modern... Solid Gold Revue is 1980; Cloudburst around '82 and I'd guess Nightchill mid 80s but not sure.... Hippo will know

tehehe

Booty McBill

Edited June 17, 200519 yr by billytheboot

Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding )

Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples...

Crossover

Dynells - Call on me

Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you

Continental Four - The way I love you

70s

Joseph Webster - My love is so strong

Eric Lomax c/up

Troy Johnson - I want you

Modern

Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic

Cloudburst - I'm lovin you

Nightchill - Hop skip & jump

Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares

Billy

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Hi Billy

I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room.

Just my humble opinion

Cheers

Pete

Hi Billy

I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room.

Just my humble opinion

Cheers

Pete

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Pete

Joseph Webster positively dates 1975. And you must be some sort of cloth-eared half-whit not to be able to tell it's 70s joke - don't get all righteous on me now Christian...

I won't, just PROVE it. Can you prove it?

Hi Billy

I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room.

Just my humble opinion

Cheers

Pete

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Yes but I'm talking about PROPER modern soul, stuff that's been modern soul for years. Not this club/house stuff that has for some reason been adopted by the soul scene. Proper modern!

Joseph Webster positively dates 1975. And you must be some sort of cloth-eared half-whit not to be able to tell it's 70s joke - don't get all righteous on me now Christian...

I won't, just PROVE it. Can you prove it? 

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erm... does typing it a lot of times qualify as proving it? I can do that..

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*just to clarify I didn't type "it is" 140 times. I typed it 139 times i'll get me coat

Yes but I'm talking about PROPER modern soul, stuff that's been modern soul for years. Not this club/house stuff that has for some reason been adopted by the soul scene. Proper modern!

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Modern!proper modern thats been modern for years!!! dont make sence to me,but what dose!!

You see that's where we differ Mr Herm...... I'd call 2001 Black Essence 70s soul, but that's MY opinion. Psychodelic Frankie is a good example of your "pure crossover" I suppose

2001 Black Essencs IS 70's soul, of course, but a lot of crossover is from the 70's, it's all about the sound, not the date of the recording. 2001 Black Essence has a pretty dated, totally non disco/sophisto sound to it for being from NY 1974, and therefore it is to be filed under crossover IMO. 'Modern' (as a sound) is said to begin with the early 70's Philly productions, early 70's Marvin Gaye and Curtis, that sort of thing and onwards with disco etc. There are now so many subgenres and sects to be found under the 'modern' umbrella that it is all pretty hopeless to explain easily, if at all, if you ask me. Don't ask me.

Yes but I'm talking about PROPER modern soul, stuff that's been modern soul for years. Not this club/house stuff that has for some reason been adopted by the soul scene. Proper modern!

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Err "proper modern that's been modern for years" ?????????????????????????????????.

Derek

Right no more digs at me please. Please see my frst post on this topic to see why...

Have a go at Christian he digs at everyone else...

erm... does typing it a lot of times qualify as proving it? I can do that..

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*just to clarify I didn't type "it is" 140 times. I typed it 139 times     i'll get me coat

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I feel forced to dismiss your 'proof' as not scientifically based I'm afraid.

And as for the 3 I chose as modern... Solid Gold Revue is 1980; Cloudburst around '82 and I'd guess Nightchill mid 80s but not sure.... Hippo will know

*Maybe they are. I honestly don't know. Still very old though.

Right no more digs at me please. Please see my frst post on this topic to see why...

Have a go at Christian he digs at everyone else...

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Didn'y say a word Billy

Derek

Err "proper modern that's been modern for years" ?????????????????????????????????.

          

Derek

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HA HA HA

Keep on banging your head youll get the beat soon

Edited June 17, 200519 yr by catskill

Maybe this offbeat house/trance/club stuff should be assigned the code name present soul

Didn'y say a word Billy

Derek

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I know mate only kidding

Maybe this offbeat house/trance/club stuff should be assigned the code name present soul

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No F-in way ozay,should be assigned the code name; no-soul-present maybe?

Edited June 17, 200519 yr by kenneth aitchison

No F-in way ozay,should be assigned the code name; no-soul-present maybe?

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spot on mate

Hi Billy

I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room.

Just my humble opinion

Cheers

Pete

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Then again i would not

Can i ask a question? Do any of you lot actually really like the genre that you are talking about?

Does it really matter that much? it's music that you generally won't hear in a modern room and generally music that gets moaned about when it's played in a norman room

Think i'll get me coat now ....................................................................

Arse

Right no more digs at me please.

We were enjoying a bit of Billybaiting

Edited June 18, 200519 yr by catskill

People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8"

People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" 

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Pete

Me love you long time from the 7t's - 9T's M8.

Grassshopper

People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" 

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why the ninja suit are you on military manouvers

noone on the thread has used a T

People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" 

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l.o.l c u l8 Pete.....or should that be peter

Always thougth the M8 was a feckin motorway

what the f*** are we on aboot here

the gasher..

Always thougth the M8 was a feckin motorway

what the f*** are we on aboot here

the gasher..

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THAT'S REALLY MADE ME A LOT WISER NOW, LADS & LASSES THANK-YOU.!!

STILL NOT SURE(TIME FOR SOME BASE!!!!!!!!!)

I LOVE 70's,

XXXXXX

LOVE YA'LL (WELL-BUCKY A LITTLE BIT)

A,T,B,

SHAUNY "B"

THAT'S REALLY MADE ME A LOT WISER NOW, LADS & LASSES THANK-YOU.!!

STILL NOT SURE(TIME FOR SOME BASE!!!!!!!!!)

I LOVE 70's,

XXXXXX

LOVE YA'LL (WELL-BUCKY A LITTLE BIT)

A,T,B,

SHAUNY "B"

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Whos Mr Bignall then????

was thinking the exact same Ken.....must be cos we're both from Barnsley

was thinking the exact same Ken.....must be cos we're both from Barnsley

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"You Reds"

Anthing from any decade, so long as it is soulful, & has that certain something that you can never quite pin down, that makes it so appealing to us & you can dance to it, gets my thumbs up...................that's why I prefer the term 'Rare Soul', 'Rare' as in that certain something that makes a good soul disc great, not monetary value.

Russ

Anthing from any decade, so long as it is soulful, & has that certain something that you can never quite pin down, that makes it so appealing to us & you can dance to it, gets my thumbs up...................that's why I prefer the term 'Rare Soul', 'Rare' as in that certain something that makes a good soul disc great, not monetary value.

Russ

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Coloney Club....."Happy Days"

Coloney Club....."Happy Days"

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You got it mate & thank you for remembering...............for a while we really got it right...................I think ???.

Russ

HI YA'LL

WATS THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THESE 3 ? WHEN I WAS A YOUNG PUP

STARTING OUT IN THE EARLY 80'S,EVERYTHING WAS NORTHERN SOUL!!

THEN YOU GOT MODERN & NORTHERN (MODERN BEING ANYTHING AFTER

1969" IE 1970") EASY!!!! THEN CAME 6'ts NEWIES THAT WAS EASY!!!!!!

NOW CROSS-OVER ,7O's & MODERN,

MAYBE SOME-ONE CAN HELP ME OUT ,

BEING A SUPID BRICKLAYER'

SHAUNY 'B'

P.S. WHAT NORTHERN R&B?? SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS ANYTHING

BEFORE 1964, HOW TURE ??????????????????

CHEERS ALL

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R&B = pre 1964, when the music was in transition from Rock & Roll to Soul.....

so not really soul music.... IMO

Crossover = 1968 to 1972...good examples,

Margie Joseph ...One more chance

Barbara Acklin....Am I the same girl........

70's......Overlapping with crossover...1970 - 1978 or until Disco fever came along and all the artists jumped on the Disco bandwagon......

Modern Soul........IMHO 1980 to present, however that for me is a bit broad, could divide it into 80's, 90's, Y2K, and up to the minute cuts......

As said previously no 2 people seem to have an identical opinion on this....

I'd agree with that assessment John.

I once sang 'Ging Gang Goolie' with the 23rd Streatham Scouts on a camping trip. Is this Tent Music???............ Discuss

R&B = pre 1964, when the music was in transition from Rock & Roll to Soul.....

so not really soul music....   IMO

Crossover = 1968 to 1972...good examples,

Margie Joseph ...One more chance

Barbara Acklin....Am I the same girl........

70's......Overlapping with crossover...1970 - 1978 or until Disco fever came along and all the artists jumped on the Disco bandwagon......

Modern Soul........IMHO 1980 to present, however that for me is a bit broad, could divide it into 80's, 90's, Y2K, and up to the minute cuts......

As said previously no 2 people seem to have an identical opinion on this....

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Cue Kiki Dee

If it feels good, If it feels good . do it,yeah, do it,do it

horses for courses

the labeling just confuses things

the room has to feel right primarilly

genres just stop people being inventive

IMHO of course

Certain we covered this topic a while back...think me and Trouty had a fist fight over the term Crossover.......

Seriously though i think it is neccesary to put sounds into genres, the scene has evolved and many nights cater for differing tastes, also helps when looking through a myriad of record boxes (well it helps me, when i'm in a 70's x/over mood) .A broad generalisation won't help anyone with the plethora of events on, for me it helps define my choice of venue, yet paradoxically i always sway towards an "Across the Board" night...............I now totally retract my original statement and will fight like a dog in a steel bin with anyone who suggests we "pigeonhole this music of ours.......

Brett...No F****** idea Franklin