I've noticed a few English dealers are using 2nd press or 2nd issue when the records in question are in fact bootlegs or non legitimate represses. So what's the deal with this? It seems somewhat underhanded.

There are so many legit 2nd issues out there that it just muddies the waters and makes me a bit uneasy about buying off them. I mean, can you then trust the gradings. Why are they not just calling a spade a spade?

Edited September 7, 201014 yr by missgoldie

I've noticed a few English dealers are using 2nd press or 2nd issue when the records in question are in fact bootlegs or non legitimate represses. So what's the deal with this? It seems somewhat underhanded.

There are so many legit 2nd issues out there that it just muddies the waters and makes me a bit uneasy about buying off them. I mean, can you then trust the gradings. Why are they not just calling a spade a spade?

Because if you put bootleg Ebay will have the option to cancel the listing.

Bootleg / pressing / second issue / reissue - it's all the same to me. So I just put second issue. Most of these were pressed between 1973 and 1978 and I'm not prepared to go back and try and find the manufacturers of them to ask if they were licensed legitimately or not.

Who cares if it's legitimate or not, apart from the usual Doctor Dorights on Soul Source?

Because if you put bootleg Ebay will have the option to cancel the listing.

Bootleg / pressing / second issue / reissue - it's all the same to me. So I just put second issue. Most of these were pressed between 1973 and 1978 and I'm not prepared to go back and try and find the manufacturers of them to ask if they were licensed legitimately or not.

Who cares if it's legitimate or not, apart from the usual Doctor Dorights on Soul Source?

Pete, I should have clarified, I know you cant use bootleg on ebay but I'm seeing this on lists and sites not subject to the machinations of ebay. If it's a boot why not say so?

Pete, I should have clarified, I know you cant use bootleg on ebay but I'm seeing this on lists and sites not subject to the machinations of ebay. If it's a boot why not say so?

Still the same answer really, I stuck a load on here a few weeks back and just called them Boots, Pressings and Reissues.

If There Not Real Does It Really Make Any Difference What Title You Give Them? Dress It Up How You Want There Still Not Real!!

To follow on from what Pete & others have said its a mine field and in all honesty boots normally always attract a higher price than a legit reissue anyway. Some of the 70s boots such as Mel Britt etc fetch £50 a pop and I once got over £100 on ebay for the realistic Salvadors boot.

As Mr Tag (hi John) says whats really doe's it matter as long as your not trying to pass it off as a original.

To follow on from what Pete & others have said its a mine field and in all honesty boots normally always attract a higher price than a legit reissue anyway. Some of the 70s boots such as Mel Britt etc fetch £50 a pop and I once got over £100 on ebay for the realistic Salvadors boot.

As Mr Tag (hi John) says whats really doe's it matter as long as your not trying to pass it off as a original.

It is a minefield. In the case of the Mel Britt and some of the scarcer 73-78 copies that Pete refers to, what would be wrong with stating it as a "Rare 70's Pressing" ?

You have just highlighted the dilemma, some people might assume its a original. I dont really get to bothered about it myself although I will always state the word boot or 2nd issuein the description so theres no ambiguity.

Cheers Darren

Edited September 7, 201014 yr by BROWNIE

I've noticed a few English dealers are using 2nd press or 2nd issue when the records in question are in fact bootlegs or non legitimate represses. So what's the deal with this? It seems somewhat underhanded.

There are so many legit 2nd issues out there that it just muddies the waters and makes me a bit uneasy about buying off them. I mean, can you then trust the gradings. Why are they not just calling a spade a spade?

The more I think about this question, it throws up even more questions. Like, I've got a pressing of Al Foster band about to end, someone's bid £25 on it for some reason, surely they could get one cut for 15 quid and put their own nice labels on it? And would people rather have an import boot/pressing than say a legit Kent Uk release of the same thing?

I just don't know how people think anymore!

The more I think about this question, it throws up even more questions. Like, I've got a pressing of Al Foster band about to end, someone's bid £25 on it for some reason, surely they could get one cut for 15 quid and put their own nice labels on it? And would people rather have an import boot/pressing than say a legit Kent Uk release of the same thing?

I just don't know how people think anymore!

Maybe some just dont want a record with pops and crackles? and are not bothered about originals. Al;so its kinda retro to have some of the 70s boots.

P:)

Whenever I list a 70s bootleg on ebay i put something like this in the first line of the auction listing:

Please note - this is not an original issue, but a copy produced for the 1970s(/80s/90s/current) Northern soul scene.

That usually does the trick

I think everyone now knows that pretty much all 2nd issues , reissues copies whatever you call them should be counted as Boots and therefore not legit. If the seller uses any of these terms then its not the og and therefore should be priced as such you dont get nothing for nothing ! If you feel the need for a poor copy of the real thing then buy it enjoy it ..They are what they are imitations . Fine reputable companies eg expansions put out lisensed re issues but they still aint the real thing If Real and OG float your boat and your rich enough fairplay to you .......Enjoy

Nothing new about this term being using, I've used it on ebay for over ten years, it's a simple way to get around ebay rules regarding the word boot, most of these records are over 30 years old, and in some cases we are still having heated debates whether some are actually boots. Lots of the labels owners were still around in the 70's so no big deal knocking out a few hundred for some crazy people in the uk.

Edited September 8, 201014 yr by funkyfeet