This will no doubt set us all off on a rant.

Once again I never authorized any of the Mixed Emotions recordings to be

sold to the General public, that is why all of the recordngs from 1975

until this day are BOOTLEGS.

Regards

Elijah Cole

Sicmu music bm

From the above statement what I gather Elijah Cole is saying is that only the current release which he is selling via ebay is an Original released 45 as the others were a Private Press, which he used for family and promotion to record companies to get a bigger deal.

Taking this a step further, from what I have been told the Frederick Hymes was never sold in shops, but sold only at his live shows, again a private press.

I have worked with numerous artists in working mens clubs and holiday camps who did similar thing and they are still doing it today.

So were do we stand on a PRIVATE PRESS, do we class it as the ORIGINAL, what if later it does become available commercially in the shops or on-line is that not the original release?

Please remember a PRIVATE PRESS is different from a DEMO, demo's were the Label's property were as a PRIVATE PRESS is the artist's property.

This could be an interesting debate.

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Edited April 6, 200619 yr by Netspeaky

which ever way you look at it, whatever the reason for the press....demo, private press, commercial use whatever, the original first 300 of the Mixed Emotions and the FH are surely the original press are they not.

Please remember a PRIVATE PRESS is different from a DEMO, demo's were the Label's property were as a PRIVATE PRESS is the artist's property.

This could be an interesting debate.

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the label could be owned by the artist

which ever way you look at it, whatever the reason for the press....demo, private press, commercial use whatever, the original first 300 of the Mixed Emotions and the FH are surely the original press are they not.

It depends how you look at it, I can see your point, but I can also see the other as well, I suppose it's not down to when it was pressed but what you call an original.

which ever way you look at it, whatever the reason for the press....demo, private press, commercial use whatever, the original first 300 of the Mixed Emotions and the FH are surely the original press are they not.

the label could be owned by the artist

True, so that actually puts an aspect on the arguement.

Edited April 6, 200619 yr by Netspeaky

which ever way you look at it, whatever the reason for the press....demo, private press, commercial use whatever, the original first 300 of the Mixed Emotions and the FH are surely the original press are they not.

Without question, as they are the first incarnation of the record

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Martyn

It depends how you look at it, I can see your point, but I can also see the other as well, I suppose it's not down to when it was pressed but what you call an original.

True, so that actually puts an aspect on the arguement.

I'd call the original the very first press/run, regardless of how many and what use they were for.

In the case of Elijah Cole, he has a gripe because the 1st 300 he no longer has any control over them or the price. He admits he pressed them then calls his own work bootlegs...does that make him the bootlegger

How can a second press/run, done many years later, obviously to cash in on the records popularity on the soul scene be the original?

Without question, as they are the first incarnation of the record

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Martyn

I'm sure someone will disagree

It depends how you look at it, I can see your point, but I can also see the other as well, I suppose it's not down to when it was pressed but what you call an original.

Original - adj - Preceding all others in time; first.

From dictionary.com

Martyn

I'm sure someone will disagree

yeah Elijah Cole

Original - adj - Preceding all others in time; first.

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Martyn

From the same source...

Original - noun - A person who is appealingly odd or curious; a character.

Martyn

Why has the scene's longest-running and most respected record dealer refused to ever stock Frederick Hymes III?

Why has the scene's longest-running and most respected record dealer refused to ever stock Frederick Hymes III?

If you're talking about JM because the guy that had the stock refused to sell him any, and he has had via third parties.

JM was not the dealer I had in mind...

Original - adj - Preceding all others in time; first.

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Martyn

From a collectors point of view the first legit pressing run will be the original.

The next will be 2nd issues.

Copys made by a person not owning/leasing the rights to the recording is a bootleg.