As a spin off from the Charay based existing thread (Rita Lee) ...........

... thought I'd ask a question or two about Pic & Bill's Charay releases.

The duo's 45's were put out in the UK, France, Spain & Italy for sure (how about Germany too ?).

My 1st Question is ... anyone know just how many French 45 releases they had ?

There were a few put out with similar picture sleeves. Many of the sleeves didn't list the actual tracks on the front but featured a No. instead.

I know there were sleeves that had the numbers 3,4 & 7 on them; but were the missing numbers in that series (1, 2, 5, 6, etc) also P&B 45's? 

........... Pic & Bill French 45's ............

Soul Records SR 1  --  The Soul Of a Man / Don't Leave Me

Soul Records SR 4  --  This Is My Story / Nobody But My Baby

Soul Records SR 5  -- Funny How Time Slips Away / Gonna Give It To You

Soul Records SR 7  --  ??? / Talk About Love

 

How many Italian 45 releases did they enjoy (1 ?)

and what about their Spanish 7"ers, I know they had at least 1 x 45 + a 7" EP release there (the single being on Belter, the EP on Fontana).

Strangely their Fontana EP was identified as being a release that was 'directly from England' so it must have been licensed via Page One. 

 

Edited July 21, 201311 yr by Roburt

Hi Roburt,

 

Here are few missing numbers of French 45's Soul Records label discography :

 

Soul Records SR 2 - Pic & Bill - All I want is you / It's not you

Soul records SR 3 - Bruce Channel - Hey baby 1968 / Onley in name

Soul records SR 6 - Eddie Floyd - Bye bye baby / Never get enough of your love

Soul Records SR 7 - Pic & Bill - Something's wrong with my baby / Talk about love

Soul Records SR 8 - Prince Buster - Young gifted and black / The rebel

Soul Records SR 10 - Duffy - Rock solid / Tell me

Soul Records SR 13 - The Smoke - Jack is back / That's what I want

Soul Records SR 14 - The Smoke - Sugarman / Like a good man should

 

Note that Pic & Bill SR 5 "Gonna give it you" is not the version originaly issued on Blue Rock in USA, it's an alternate take (very different)

 

Cheers Romain

Hi Roburt, here's a link with the FIVE Pic & Bill French 45's : https://45vinylvidivici.net/SEVENTIESARTISTES45%20%28NZ%29/PIC%20AND%20BILL.html

I have these UK issues:

Pic & Bill - All I Want Is You / It's Not You (Page One POF 024) released 19/05/67
Pic & Bill - This Is It / Nobody But My Baby (Page One POF 037) released 01/09/67

Pic & Bill - Sad World Without You / Just A Tear (Page One POF 052) (promo) released 26/01/68

I'm not sure if that's all they had issued in the UK.

 

Paul

The duo's 45's were put out in the UK, France, Spain & Italy for sure (how about Germany too ?).

 

 

Yes, Germany as well. At least one 45 on Metronome:

 

Pic & Bill - Just A Tear / Sad World Without You - METRONOME M 25019

 

See scans below.

 

Another bizarre thing is that there was a famous swedish artist that covered "Sad World Without You" in 1969. Was only released on an EP featuring three other artists as well (one of them Downliners Sect with a unique tune, only released on that swedish EP).

 

     

Here are the French LP on Soul Records SR LP 1001  (which also came out on Spanish Belter)

& Their other French 45 on Decca ("Sad world without you / Just a tear")

 

  

 

 

 

 

There's another german release by Pic & Bill on Ariola. Will add details once I found it. I'm not even sure I have it though I can picture label and sleeve in my mind. Need more sleep....

 

Edit: The soul of a man lp came out in germany too.

Edited July 23, 201311 yr by Benji

Edit: The soul of a man lp came out in germany too.

 

 

With the same titles order than the French one ?

 

Did you notice our Blue's side / Jerk's side ?

 

It was typical of the French Lp's of the era, with the slow tracks on one side and the fast ones on the other, like the Rhythm & Blues Formidable serie. Not a bad thing during the "surprise-parties" !

Here are the French LP on Soul Records SR LP 1001  (which also came out on Spanish Belter)

& Their other French 45 on Decca ("Sad world without you / Just a tear")

Yes, I have a copy of their French Decca 45 .... always loved the picture cover. 

With the same titles order than the French one ?

 

Did you notice our Blue's side / Jerk's side ?

 

It was typical of the French Lp's of the era, with the slow tracks on one side and the fast ones on the other, like the Rhythm & Blues Formidable serie. Not a bad thing during the "surprise-parties" !

 

Same tracks I think but different order. Also, it's called "Thirty minutes of soul", got the titles mixed up. sorry!

A1  All I Want Is You

A2  Something's Wrong With My Baby

A3  How Many Times

A4  You Walk So Fine

A5  Don't Leave Me

A6  Talk About Love

B1  The Soul Of A Man

B2  A Woman Has A Way With A Man

B3  It's Not You

B4  This Is It

B5  Baby Come Back

B6  Nobody But My Baby 

 

Here are the details of the german Ariola 7": All I want is you/It's not you - Ariola 19554

 

 

As it happens I don't have it any longer. I used to have it but sold it before I started collecting german labels.

Edited July 24, 201311 yr by Benji

Same tracks I think but different order. Also, it's called "Thirty minutes of soul", got the titles mixed up. sorry!

A1  All I Want Is You

A2  Something's Wrong With My Baby

A3  How Many Times

A4  You Walk So Fine

A5  Don't Leave Me

A6  Talk About Love

B1  The Soul Of A Man

B2  A Woman Has A Way With A Man

B3  It's Not You

B4  This Is It

B5  Baby Come Back

B6  Nobody But My Baby 

 

 

Thanks Benji, the "slow side/fast side" was typical on French albums.

 

I just saw it was released in Italy, too : https://www.discogs.com/Pic-Bill-Thirty-Minutes-Of-Soul/release/4589466

 

Is it the same cover  as the german LP ?

 

Philippe, discogs info is wrong. Release country is Germany. Cover shown is the german one. The little text underneath Vibraton logo is german.

Why would a German record label use a generic 'black guy' picture for the cover of a LP by a soul duo  -- Pic & Bill.

It makes no sense at all, especially as Major Bill seemed to be sourcing Euro record companies with multiple decent pics of P&B back then.

Guess someone at Vibration was just very lazy. 

Philippe, discogs info is wrong. Release country is Germany. Cover shown is the german one. The little text underneath Vibraton logo is german.

 

Thanks Benji, in fact in their description they say the liners are in German (?).

Edited July 24, 201311 yr by Philippe

Why would a German record label use a generic 'black guy' picture for the cover of a LP by a soul duo  -- Pic & Bill.

It makes no sense at all, especially as Major Bill seemed to be sourcing Euro record companies with multiple decent pics of P&B back then.

Guess someone at Vibration was just very lazy. 

 

Vibraton was just a low budget label that released stuff across the board, i.e. soul, classic, jazz, swing, german schlager, what have you. They weren't a major label.

 

Most german labels used pictures of the actual artists. Yet quite often they used generic pictures. Sometimes not even of a black singer but a white singer/band.

B5  Baby Come Back

 

Superb track... LP only, I believe

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MuX6W6AX0ls