I know that this has been discussed before several times but I can't find a thread with the info i'm looking for. I know there is more than one original '70s press of the Mixed Emotions Rock-Way 45. But are they different mixes or different in any way?

 

If they are different mixes, how do you identify each of the original '70s Rock-Way presses and how are they different? I have manship guide 5 which identifies 2 different '70s presses with identification info but doesn't mention anything about mixes and from previous discussions there might even be 3 different presses?

 

I already know about the totally separate cole release from the '70s, don't need info on that. Thanks for any help.

Hi Chalky, I just read that thread twice. Cole says that the "non-bootleg" press (meaning the one from the '90s that he was selling to the open market) has engineer credits and everyone else is saying that 1975 originals don't. There's no acknowledgement by collectors of a '70s copy with engineer credits and Cole's (confusing) argument is that the only "non-bootlegs" (which I think he means '90s presses) have engineer credits. So it's not clear where '70s presses with engineer credits fit in.

Hi Chalky, I just read that thread twice. Cole says that the "non-bootleg" press (meaning the one from the '90s that he was selling to the open market) has engineer credits and everyone else is saying that 1975 originals don't. There's no acknowledgement by collectors of a '70s copy with engineer credits and Cole's (confusing) argument is that the only "non-bootlegs" (which I think he means '90s presses) have engineer credits. So it's not clear where '70s presses with engineer credits fit in.

 

So we are saying that the only original press from the 70's is the one without the engineers credit.

 

The one with engineers credit is a 90's press done from same plates which is basically what Cole was saying, you only have to read the posts directed at me.

 

I basically don't disagree with you..

 

There are collectors, some on this topic who believe the one with the engineers credit is the original 70's press and will no doubt continue to believe that especially if they own one or someone is trying to sell one. 

Hi Chalky, I just read that thread twice. Cole says that the "non-bootleg" press (meaning the one from the '90s that he was selling to the open market) has engineer credits and everyone else is saying that 1975 originals don't. There's no acknowledgement by collectors of a '70s copy with engineer credits and Cole's (confusing) argument is that the only "non-bootlegs" (which I think he means '90s presses) have engineer credits. So it's not clear where '70s presses with engineer credits fit in.

Hi Bob

Yeah, as Chalky said above, it's 'chicken or the egg' now on the two 70's variations? As i said in an earlier post on this thread, i originally kept the 'non arranger' 70's copy cos it was different to the 90's repress. I thought at the time it was the second press (from info in JM #5) but that does not seem to be the case now?

Cheers

Steve

So we are saying that the only original press from the 70's is the one without the engineers credit.

 

The one with engineers credit is a 90's press done from same plates which is basically what Cole was saying, you only have to read the posts directed at me.

 

I basically don't disagree with you..

 

There are collectors, some on this topic who believe the one with the engineers credit is the original 70's press and will no doubt continue to believe that especially if they own one or someone is trying to sell one. 

No, there are two 70's issues with identical matrix numbers/same mix, one with 'arranger' and one without!

We now don't know which came first?

Brett has a 70's with arranger and i (and others) have 70's without arranger.

The later 90's reissues (or originals in Elijah's eyes  ) have different matrix numbers although they are the same mix?

 

Got to go down as THE most confusing debate ever on SS     

Edited May 6, 201411 yr by Steve Plumb

I am *not* saying that there is only one '70s rock-way press. I don't know. All I am saying is that at the time of the thread, collectors in the thread only knew about the non-credited version from the '70s (they also didn't know about the German EMI version at that time or the Cole label press).

 

I don't own any press except a '90s one and just don't know. I think I have seen a beat up version with arranger credits found "in the wild" on ebay, which would lend evidence of a '70s press with arranger credits.

Also, one more point -- it's unlikely that Cole kept the same stampers from the '70s and reused them in the '90s. If you've ever come across old stampers, they are metal and usually all bent up. You can make a new stamper from a mother plate but usually all that stuff stays at the pressing plant. I would think he would likely only reuse them within in a short period of time