Or at least high up the charts.

Was reading today that the Top 40 is going to include downloaded songs & not just songs released as singles.

So i had a thought, would be worth spending a few quid to see a Northern tune in the charts again. Or we could have a laugh & get something like Wigans Ovation - Ski-ing in the snow up there.

What do you think ?

why not pick a sugar pie desanto track ? after all she could do with the cash, after she recently lost everything in a house fire

Now that I could buy into, getting a soul artist up there, I think its probably very difficult, but imo a far better idea than getting a random Northern record there, only thing is, and maybe Mr Millbrand could help, is making sure its a record the artist gets paid for and not one where the money goes into the pocket of some conglomerate since the artist sold the rights for 2 shillings!!

why not pick a sugar pie desanto track ? after all she could do with the cash, after she recently lost everything in a house fire

I'm totally against this sort of thing. Not this particular download thing but the idea of raising money for singers. This is an artist who had a career and still has friends in the music business. There are no doubt people on this very group who are unemployed or sick and could do with some help. Or there are countless childrens charities that could be supported, or cancer groups like McMillan, why try to raise money for some old r&b singer, I'll never understand this. OK so no doubt someone will say "for all she's given us" well what does that boil down to, a couple of tracks 40 years ago which she got paid for at the time. I feel sorry for her and any of the other artists who fall on hard times, but lots of people have problems and I think money should be spent closer to home. That's just my opinion.

Surely if you are going to try and get a decent track in the charts, it would be better to try and get a new release in by a current artist deserving some exposure.

Edited January 8, 200718 yr by Netspeaky

Yeah in the 60's and 70's. You could sell 10,000 now and get to number 1

Hello Pete,

Remember we are talking about digital downloads now, not sales of physical products, so the figures are rising again - especially for those dreadful TV celebrity type of things (yawn) which my mam usually likes.

The ratio between downloads / physical is around 80 / 20 % at the moment.

Pretty soon we'll see dealers selling second-hand MP3 downloads on ebay ....some with slight edge warp or no centre, others with a few light scratches or "Mandy" written on the flip side.

Anyway, I'm off to buy some cardboard sleeves for my MP3 files.

Paul Mooney

I'm totally against this sort of thing. Not this particular download thing but the idea of raising money for singers. This is an artist who had a career and still has friends in the music business. There are no doubt people on this very group who are unemployed or sick and could do with some help. Or there are countless childrens charities that could be supported, or cancer groups like McMillan, why try to raise money for some old r&b singer, I'll never understand this. OK so no doubt someone will say "for all she's given us" well what does that boil down to, a couple of tracks 40 years ago which she got paid for at the time. I feel sorry for her and any of the other artists who fall on hard times, but lots of people have problems and I think money should be spent closer to home. That's just my opinion.

Those old r&b singers are still entertaining you, and making money for promoters

and djs every week in this country just my opinion, time to pay your dues

Whats that got to do with me if promotors and dj's are making money?

...I'm totally against this sort of thing ...There are no doubt people on this very group who are unemployed or sick and could do with some help...

Pete has a good point here.

It's human nature to want to help people we respect or admire, such as artists, but we shouldn't forget all the "ordinary" people who have similar (or even worse) problems.

Each case has to be judged on its own merits but charity should not become a "celebrity" thing. We should all try to give small help to more people more frequently rather than everyone giving vast sums of money to just one or two individuals - sometimes making them rich.

And if we can't afford to help financially we can always help people in other ways.

Lord knows we never know when we'll need some help ourselves.

Paul Mooney

I'm totally against this sort of thing. Not this particular download thing but the idea of raising money for singers. This is an artist who had a career and still has friends in the music business. There are no doubt people on this very group who are unemployed or sick and could do with some help. Or there are countless childrens charities that could be supported, or cancer groups like McMillan, why try to raise money for some old r&b singer, I'll never understand this. OK so no doubt someone will say "for all she's given us" well what does that boil down to, a couple of tracks 40 years ago which she got paid for at the time. I feel sorry for her and any of the other artists who fall on hard times, but lots of people have problems and I think money should be spent closer to home. That's just my opinion.

I think the SP DeSanto case is slightly different Pete. She lost her husband, her home, in fact everything she had, in one fail swoop. You are of course right that the more successful artists could be expected to step in and help but they rarely do eh? We raised $637.22 for SP Desanto and I for one am glad we did it. Not just because she was an "old singer", but because she's simply an old lady who needs help and I felt we could give that help without too much grief to our own lives. I also think that doing something charitable every now and then is good for your health. The Gambian Project and other beneficiaries of soul events give people an opportunity as individuals to enjoy themselves and spread a little cheer in what can be a crappy old world at times eh?

Anyone who knows me well will vouch for the fact that I'm not exactly a tree hugging, animal loving, social concience type of bloke, but every now and then it don't hurt to give some one a leg up. Just a case of deciding who I suppose. Just my opinion.

Regards ,

Dave

www.theresthatbeat.com

www.hitsvillesoulclub.com

Getting back to the new chart rules which were effective from YESTERDAY, it's interesting to note that HMV have annnounced TODAY that they will no longer use the official charts in their stores.

I assume they'll create their own chart, as will many other retail chains, meaning that the "official" charts will have even less importance in the future.

Paul Mooney

18 with a bullet

Pete has a good point here.

It's human nature to want to help people we respect or admire, such as artists, but we shouldn't forget all the "ordinary" people who have similar (or even worse) problems.

Each case has to be judged on its own merits but charity should not become a "celebrity" thing. We should all try to give small help to more people more frequently rather than everyone giving vast sums of money to just one or two individuals - sometimes making them rich.

And if we can't afford to help financially we can always help people in other ways.

Lord knows we never know when we'll need some help ourselves.

Paul Mooney

It's just I'm taking the girlfriends Dad for cancer treatment every day at the moment, I also had to go past the childrens ward twice a day at the hospital her Mum was in and my heart broke every time I looked inside at these poor little kids. The other day someone was on about having a collection to buy a headstone for another recently died soul singer. I thought it was a joke to start but it wasn't. When I got into real problems, people on my mailing list actually sent me money - I tried to give something back (I said can you pay like £2 for a cd if I make one) and instead of paying £2 some people sent £10, £20 even £50. One guy lent me £1500 and told me to pay it back £50 a week. This is just unbelievable, that people you never met help you out like this. When a member of KTF's wife sadly died from breast cancer, I put together a cd of my rarest records, sold it to KTF members and mailing list people and raised something like £600 for cancer charity. Nobody asked me to do it, I was really glad to be able to help. But there is no way in a million years I would ever give money to help an old recording artist thousands of miles away.

I think the SP DeSanto case is slightly different Pete. She lost her husband, her home, in fact everything she had, in one fail swoop. You are of course right that the more successful artists could be expected to step in and help but they rarely do eh? We raised $637.22 for SP Desanto and I for one am glad we did it. Not just because she was an "old singer", but because she's simply an old lady who needs help and I felt we could give that help without too much grief to our own lives. I also think that doing something charitable every now and then is good for your health. The Gambian Project and other beneficiaries of soul events give people an opportunity as individuals to enjoy themselves and spread a little cheer in what can be a crappy old world at times eh?

Anyone who knows me well will vouch for the fact that I'm not exactly a tree hugging, animal loving, social concience type of bloke, but every now and then it don't hurt to give some one a leg up. Just a case of deciding who I suppose. Just my opinion.

Regards ,

Dave

www.theresthatbeat.com

www.hitsvillesoulclub.com

No thats fine Dave, if it's what you and others believe in then it's a great thing you've done, it's just a different viewpoint to mine.

No thats fine Dave, if it's what you and others believe in then it's a great thing you've done, it's just a different viewpoint to mine.

Yep, fair dos all round. Just opinions innit? Hope you're Father in Law gets well Mate.

Regards,

Dave

www.theresthatbeat.com

www.hitsvillesoulclub.com

Hello,

In my opinion it's usually those who have very little or nothing who will help the most. Here's an example which some may think is a bit contraversial but I'm just trying to put things in perspective...

In one particular sad case, a former Motown artist once asked me "why multi-millionaire Mr X (no names) did nothing to help former successful artist Mr Y (now deceased) who badly needed medical help - which he couldn't afford.

Remember that Mr X had made millions from Mr Y's music. Instead, ordinary working-class (and perhaps unemployed) fans who hadn't even met Mr Y did what they could to try to help.

A further irony is that if Mr Y had lived and could have hired an accountant to do an audit, it's quite possible that Mr X might have owed him some money anyway.

Isn't that something to think about?

Paul Mooney

I really don't want to see this topic get out of hand but I am NOT being deliberately inflammatory here, I just prefer to give any charity money to causes closer to home like poppy day or nspcc. Simple as that. I have no problem with anyone who does totally the opposite.

I think that what Dave & everyone did with the Sugar Pie Desanto collection was a noble act & in no way would I knock it, & i know that's not what Pete is doing.

That said, i think if push came to shove i would have to ere on the side of Pete's argument, as sad though it was in what happened, there are many other people who'se life has been tragically blighted & maybe charity does start a little closer to home.

Here's another option to throw into the mix. What if some record company had some rare unreleased tune, or something that hasn't been put out on CD yet that it could release for download only with the profits going to a Childrens Cancer Charity ? We could all get behind that with a vengance then & show the people what they are missing, all for a great cause ?

I think that what Dave & everyone did with the Sugar Pie Desanto collection was a noble act & in no way would I knock it, & i know that's not what Pete is doing.

That said, i think if push came to shove i would have to ere on the side of Pete's argument, as sad though it was in what happened, there are many other people who'se life has been tragically blighted & maybe charity does start a little closer to home.

Here's another option to throw into the mix. What if some record company had some rare unreleased tune, or something that hasn't been put out on CD yet that it could release for download only with the profits going to a Childrens Cancer Charity ? We could all get behind that with a vengance then & show the people what they are missing, all for a great cause ?

Now that is a good idea

Hang on though, if you ask a record company to put up a track which can be downloaded, they are still going have to pay royalties to the artist, producer or writer...

That's right Scarborosoul, many people who first got into the genre via tunes like this are still there & loving what we call the real stuff.

The bit about people thinking we are 'divs', you will get aspects of that in life whatever you do & for as many who behave that way you will get at least the same amount who don't.

Take the Worcs Uni charity night that we did this time last year, there were some friends of ours who came just to support us in our fundraising, they (particularly the girls) were at first bemused by so many blokes dancing on there own. By half way through the night they were out on the floor learning how to dance to the tunes, & there they stayed really enjoying themselves ! Not taking the piss, enjoying dancing to music they had never heard & didn't realise was so good to dance to !

That's why i advocate give others the chance to like it !

Hang on though, if you ask a record company to put up a track which can be downloaded, they are still going have to pay royalties to the artist, producer or writer...

Yes certainly, i was just thinking of any profits after cost Pete.

I think that what Dave & everyone did with the Sugar Pie Desanto collection was a noble act & in no way would I knock it, & i know that's not what Pete is doing.

That said, i think if push came to shove i would have to ere on the side of Pete's argument, as sad though it was in what happened, there are many other people who'se life has been tragically blighted & maybe charity does start a little closer to home.

Here's another option to throw into the mix. What if some record company had some rare unreleased tune, or something that hasn't been put out on CD yet that it could release for download only with the profits going to a Childrens Cancer Charity ? We could all get behind that with a vengance then & show the people what they are missing, all for a great cause ?

NOW MY MAN BOGUE IM WITH YOU ON THIS 100%. THAT IS A GOOD IDEA Kev

FU**** BO***CKS, all bogue suggested was an experiment. don`t think that he`s alone, last night at work i had to listen to two ageing punks falling out about the same thing. i also heard a radio dj start the same debate about getting a bloody glen cambell track to no1. every one is doing it! it`s like the first lottery draw. i have read some wank replies in my time on this site but this topic sums it all up: exclusive! rare! exposure!.. bogue! don`t go out till after easter.!!! seriously though, paul mooney makes a valid point about "reporting websites" (paul any help on this ). it sounds like the old system of chart return shops that lead to chart fixing. many of us remember the case of tobi legend selling enough copies north of northampton to get into the top 20/30 when it was released. hey! dont let that put you off,,, let`s go for it!!! over january 18/19 thurs /fri tell every one you know, work , family, announce it if your dj`ing down load frank wilson_do i love you(indeed i do). no discussion, its rare, its popular, you`ve all danced to it. as bogue said lets try

FU**** BO***CKS, all bogue suggested was an experiment. don`t think that he`s alone, last night at work i had to listen to two ageing punks falling out about the same thing. i also heard a radio dj start the same debate about getting a bloody glen cambell track to no1. every one is doing it! it`s like the first lottery draw. i have read some wank replies in my time on this site but this topic sums it all up: exclusive! rare! exposure!.. bogue! don`t go out till after easter.!!! seriously though, paul mooney makes a valid point about "reporting websites" (paul any help on this ). it sounds like the old system of chart return shops that lead to chart fixing. many of us remember the case of tobi legend selling enough copies north of northampton to get into the top 20/30 when it was released. hey! dont let that put you off,,, let`s go for it!!! over january 18/19 thurs /fri tell every one you know, work , family, announce it if your dj`ing down load frank wilson_do i love you(indeed i do). no discussion, its rare, its popular, you`ve all danced to it. as bogue said lets try

Thought of a better one Denmac, 'Happy - William Bell' ! :good:

Edited January 9, 200718 yr by Bogue

we can't have a northern soul track at no 1 unless it was gonna be something new as in say Kirk Franklin releases a song gets to no 1 but picks up on the scene.

It angers me that all downloads will continue to dominate the charts i am a buyer of cd singles weekly and prefer it like that. what is worse that the charts may well start using re-releases because some idiots or obviously people are downloading hundreds into thousands of some old record example say Rolling Stones - Get Of my Cloud or Robbie Williams - Angels so for many reasons the charts has no significate to new music whatso ever when it's filled with some songs released years ago. a cd single or vinyl release would include far more then your typical 1 song release when it can include b sides and extra tracks

I would post up articles about this as i get music week (for people in music buiness) but can't and to add on it's not only downloads but many indipendete record labels may well loose out on this not sure how it works like that though but i did hear of it that many indie labels fail to score so many charted hits now. maybe cause they prefer to profit there music by physical releases especially when it's made on a 7" vinyl record or 12". Isn't that how underground soul records work now by a cd or vinyl release.

The other thing as said about getting a Northern track to No 1 by old terms if we did. many of the sites may not have enough to cover. i have recently been onto I tunes and i typed in Northern soul in the search bar to see what came home and to my suprise about 25 albums was listed but not all technically Northern soul some was rae and christian, M People etc and a few complations yet some seemed like the re-recording type albums and 1 chess northern soul album don't see no lists for what you might want, even when you type in Kurt Harris, Christine Cooper, Dean Barlow even Chairman of the Board you can't gurantee you will find there songs listed to buy on I tunes hench no album release or not even a complation with there song on it. the latter being Chairmen of the board likely comes up with a best of.

For Motown it's easier as there would be complations and of course with major releases of albums (with added tracks) they can include

If you use Amazon or certain sites you can find much more Northern soul cd's and stuff then on some legal download sites