https://cgi.ebay.com/Northern-Soul-45-Bobby...1QQcmdZViewItem

£40 off me.

How come nobody ever bids like that when I'm selling on ebay?

Even saw a load of pressings yesterday going for 15, 20, 25, when I put the same ones on they go for a fiver or less!

FIX!

who ever is bidding that kind of money for that wants to go and seek help :fool:

An Edward Hamilton - Baby dont you weep pressing just went for £77!!

https://cgi.ebay.com/Northern-Soul-45-Bobby...1QQcmdZViewItem

It was a 66 issue mind

Still think it's crazy money, but i suppose it depends on how bad someone wants something & how much money they have.

Another point it brings in to question is on what context do people arrive at the recomended price of a record ? If it's supply & demand then you could argue that the price is justified, because you try & find another one for sale.

There are a lot of similar records in the price guides, supposedly only worth around £40/50 but they just don't come up any more & for that reason are probably rarer than some of the so called rare records, if you get what i mean ?

P.s.

I've got a demo of Bobby Wells anyone want to offer me $500

A '66 issue? So's mine and it was £30 off Ebay a few months back.

I seem to remember a recent thread about this on here. The curse of Soul Source. Talking up common -ish 45s.

ROD

A '66 issue? So's mine and it was £30 off Ebay a few months back.

I seem to remember a recent thread about this on here. The curse of Soul Source. Talking up common -ish 45s.

ROD

66 issue was just a joke ROD, read the bit directly after it STILL THINK IT IS CRAZY MONEY !

& if they are so common how about showing us all the hundreds for sale on Ebay or lists then ?

Just because you happened to get one off ebay for £30 a few months back has no more credence than me saying that they are 'not' around for sale any more !

I got a mint demo of Cliff Nobles - My Love Is Getting Stronger for £4.99 off Ebay less than 12 months ago, & thanks to not setting my snipe i also watched a 12" promo of My Baby's Got ESP not even get a bid at $9.99 night before last ! Does that then make those records worth £4.99 & £6 ?

When you can show me reams of Bobby Wells for sale I'll accept your 'curse of soulsource' comment Rod!!

Edited March 23, 200718 yr by Bogue

Hi Bogue, yes I know you were surprised at the end price and I thought you were referring to 1966 as NOT being a reason for the final OTT figure IMO. I did refer to the thread and did not mean that you were talking it up.

There have been quite a few Bobby Wells on Ebay since I got mine and according to Popsike last 1966 issue went for £30 in Dec 06. There are actually only 3 sales listed on Popsike for this 45 and my transaction isn't there so I now realise that this site does not list every sale. There are 4 Cecil Washington's listed. I don't think that points to Bobby Wells being rarer than Cecil Washington!!

I take your point that cheaper 45s are not around in vast quantities and assume from that it is demand and not availibility or rarity that drives prices.

I guess I get my idea of a fair price from my experience over last 35 years of selling 45s. Obviously £4.99 for Cliff Nobles is miles under the going rate. "Buy it now" I assume rather than an auction?

Before I joined this site I was surprised at what some 45s were fetching but after joining I realised that what people talk about on here often reflects on Ebay prices. Hence my comment abouty "talking up" records.

Finally going back to Bobby Wells and Popsike there is a listing for "Be that...." on FULLER for $180 back in 2005. At the risk of talking that up, I've never seen that!!

ROD

I bought a Bobby Wells this morning off Mick Smith for £25...

Hi Bogue, yes I know you were surprised at the end price and I thought you were referring to 1966 as NOT being a reason for the final OTT figure IMO. I did refer to the thread and did not mean that you were talking it up.

There have been quite a few Bobby Wells on Ebay since I got mine and according to Popsike last 1966 issue went for £30 in Dec 06. There are actually only 3 sales listed on Popsike for this 45 and my transaction isn't there so I now realise that this site does not list every sale. There are 4 Cecil Washington's listed. I don't think that points to Bobby Wells being rarer than Cecil Washington!!

I take your point that cheaper 45s are not around in vast quantities and assume from that it is demand and not availibility or rarity that drives prices.

I guess I get my idea of a fair price from my experience over last 35 years of selling 45s. Obviously £4.99 for Cliff Nobles is miles under the going rate. "Buy it now" I assume rather than an auction?

Before I joined this site I was surprised at what some 45s were fetching but after joining I realised that what people talk about on here often reflects on Ebay prices. Hence my comment abouty "talking up" records.

Finally going back to Bobby Wells and Popsike there is a listing for "Be that...." on FULLER for $180 back in 2005. At the risk of talking that up, I've never seen that!!

ROD

Sorry for the terse reply ROD, wrongly got the impression you were slapping me down a bit with your reply.

My wording was a bit incorrect in my initial post too, as the point i was trying to make was that these records are not around for sale in quantity that some suggest, which you agree with, whereas my reply may have indicated i meant 'not at all'.

I know it's not technicaly true, but you could argue that a piece in your own reply backs up my case ?

4 x Cecil Washingtons & only 3 x Bobby Wells, you would have thought that the number of Bobby Wells transactions would have been far greater, especially if it is, as been suggested, picking up plays again.

It's only a personal opinion, but i think the nature of collecting & collectors has changed, & again only in my opinion, brings in to question the whole pricing game.

In the past a lot of people buying records had a tendancy to swop & change quite a bit, i.e they would often sell or swop records to obtain others once the sound was down in popularity, but nowadays the majority of record buyers buy to keep, to build up their collections.& there are a lot more doing it !

It was only a few who could somehow afford to in the past, as we were of an age where we were learning our trades & setting up home e.t.c. But of course we are all of an age now where we have a little bit more to spend, & in quite a few places, a lot more !

Add to that the accessability via Ebay & such, the fact we are another 20 or so years on in the life of these records, which means more will have been lost through wear & tare, & the upshot is that the availability of these popular tunes is going to have to dry up.

So my point is that the formula for pricing these records is now a bit flawed ?

I am not a record dealer so someone else like Yourself, John Manship, Pete S e.t.c. might be able to tell me that i have got it wrong, but my guess is that prices of records were determined years ago by how many that they knew were in circulation from record company data, obviously popularity always played a part too, but knowing how many were likley to be in the hands of people in the US would have a big effect.

& this is the bit which in my opinion has changed radically & leads to records going for prices that don't add up to what the guides tell us.

Edited March 24, 200718 yr by Bogue

I bought a Bobby Wells this morning off Mick Smith for £25...

Sod off stirrer ! That means you can knock it down to £30 now then

No apology necessary Bogue.

I think I've come to completely the opposite conclusion to you based on my observations. I did say that there aren't "vast " quantities of a lot of 45s about but I do think there are copies around to fill demand unless a title suddenly takes off.

Those Wells 45s on Popsike all had less than 20 bids, in fact 2 had less than 10. Even if we assume that all those bids were different bidders it's still not that many. 20 copies would fill the demand evident from those bidding with copies to spare.

I know not everybody is on Ebay but I think a large percentage of collectors are on it. I wonder if you're overestimating demand.

I'd also say that I think people are having to sell 45s to buy other 45s. You only have to look at the ads on here which often say they need to sell quickly to buy something else. Coupled with say Pete S who has written before about a general slow down in sales, surprise expressed frequently on here at prices attained on some auctions, and I get the impression that the average collector is getting a lot more careful when spending money.

ROD

the average collector is getting more careful with their money....a great trueism for our time

the average collector is getting more careful with their money....a great trueism for our time