Here's the thing. I have loved the music and the scene for 37 years, been to most of the great venues and loved every minute of it.

But, there is a strange hyprocisy (or irony?) to the whole scene. We all have our favourite singers, record, label etc. Some people have made good livings from the scene. But what about the artists who recorded the music, how have they benefitted? Yes, there has been many compilation albums, live acts etc. who received royalties but, in reality, they are the few. Indeed the purist Northern Collector wouldn't been see dead with a legal re-issue in their collection and quite happily pay £thousands in some cases for elusive originals. And therein, lies the rub. Are we really soul fans, or fans because we have what no-one else gets, or can afford to buy, that has no benefit to the artist. Just look at the 'In Your Box' section, full of where I have founfd this for X and sold it for Y stories, none of whom benefit the original artist.

Take Frank Wilson. £15,000 11 years ago. He didn't see a penny. It gets released by motown. How many snubbed thier nose at it afterwards becasue it had been 'released'.

Alos, cover ups have never benefitted an artist. Perhaps The Construction (Del Capris) is the best example. Grapevine released it under it's cover up artists name rather than reveal the true artist. Is that really being supportive of the artist? How many DJ's hate the identity of records being known?

So, it is a philisohical question, are we hypocites?

Personally. I think we all are to a degree (not a criticism, it just is what it is), but you know, so are art collectors. Artworks that change hands for millions today, where worthless when the artist was alive. So maybe Northern Soul is a form of art?

I don't wish to offend anyone, it is just food for thought as they say.

Merry xmas!

Exemplary principle? Wanting to chop the f*** cables at Newport 65!?

A slight lapse of judgement on Pete's part. No, let's make that a considerable lapse. And let's all be glad that, on that occasion, his desires were not fulfilled..

we have this thread regularly these days, and theres always the royalty issue that gets brought up

But how many of you who tout the "we must keep it real" banner and also dj, promote etc, check that the venue you are using is PRS licensed ????? Ive brought this up many a time and no one ventures into it, i do because i practice it,

If not your not only breaking the law but defrauding the artist, so what is PRS

Performing Rights Society

The Performing Right Society (PRS) is a non-profit membership organisation which collects licence fees from music users, PRS then distributes the money to its members, the writers and publishers of music, and to affiliated societies worldwide.

This is regardless of whether the music performed is live or by recorded means - be it from a television, a jukebox, or through the internet.

Who needs a PRS Music Licence?

- Any location or premises where music is played and can be heard by the public.

- Any premises outside the home, from clubs to concert halls, from discos to dentists' waiting rooms, and from trains to take aways.

- Usually, the proprietor/manager of the premises is responsible for obtaining a PRS Music Licence.

Is a PRS Music Licence required by law?

Yes.

The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 means that if you use copyright music in public, you must first obtain permission from every writer or composer whose music you intend to play. In the UK, they represent these copyright owners, so a PRS Music Licence gives you the legal permission to play just about any copyright music in the world repertoire. A PRS Music Licence is required regardless of the ownership of any other type of licence.

How long does copyright last?

In the UK, copyright generally lasts for a period of 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the author, writer dies. If the music originates from outside the European Economic Area (EEA), the copyright lasts for as long as the music is protected by copyright in its country of origin, provided that the length of time does not exceed 70 years.

So by my estimate there are still a lot of tune's around in copyright that are played on the Northern Scene, so the old "the artist or writer wont get owt after all this time" doesn't stand up does it,

So to have real vinyl is one thing (i must admit originals only for me)

We at the friendship have ensured that the venue is PRS registered yes the amount that gets through is probably paltry but hey go the distance and play the tune document it and file it with PRS........ give the people their dues no matter how small

P.S. it doesnt matter what format its played in either CD, MP3, boot, it's the tune that counts, once it is played royalties are due.

Geeoooooordie

Edited December 18, 200717 yr by geordiejohnson

Explains why it was so crap then.

and his nickname was Tabs

Born and inbred surely?

Derek

yeah like the rest of us Derek

we have this thread regularly these days, and theres always the royalty issue that gets brought up

But how many of you who tout the "we must keep it real" banner and also dj, promote etc, check that the venue you are using is PRS licensed ????? Ive brought this up many a time and no one ventures into it, i do because i practice it,

If not your not only breaking the law but defrauding the artist, so what is PRS

Performing Rights Society

The Performing Right Society (PRS) is a non-profit membership organisation which collects licence fees from music users, PRS then distributes the money to its members, the writers and publishers of music, and to affiliated societies worldwide.

This is regardless of whether the music performed is live or by recorded means - be it from a television, a jukebox, or through the internet.

Who needs a PRS Music Licence?

- Any location or premises where music is played and can be heard by the public.

- Any premises outside the home, from clubs to concert halls, from discos to dentists' waiting rooms, and from trains to take aways.

- Usually, the proprietor/manager of the premises is responsible for obtaining a PRS Music Licence.

Is a PRS Music Licence required by law?

Yes.

The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 means that if you use copyright music in public, you must first obtain permission from every writer or composer whose music you intend to play. In the UK, they represent these copyright owners, so a PRS Music Licence gives you the legal permission to play just about any copyright music in the world repertoire. A PRS Music Licence is required regardless of the ownership of any other type of licence.

How long does copyright last?

In the UK, copyright generally lasts for a period of 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the author, writer dies. If the music originates from outside the European Economic Area (EEA), the copyright lasts for as long as the music is protected by copyright in its country of origin, provided that the length of time does not exceed 70 years.

So by my estimate there are still a lot of tune's around in copyright that are played on the Northern Scene, so the old "the artist or writer wont get owt after all this time" doesn't stand up does it,

So to have real vinyl is one thing (i must admit originals only for me)

We at the friendship have ensured that the venue is PRS registered yes the amount that gets through is probably paltry but hey go the distance and play the tune document it and file it with PRS........ give the people their dues no matter how small

Geeoooooordie

And herein lies another urban myth. The one that says that you fill out these forms and cheques for 15p go winging their way across the Atlantic to the needy soul heroes. Sorry it's not like that.....The reality last time I checked was that ALL of the proceeds were divied up amongst the great and the good in that particular weeks top 20. So the Spicey Girls etc get the dosh and poor old Sam Williams still gets diddley squat.

Edited December 18, 200717 yr by Steve G

And herein lies another urban myth. The one that says that you fill out these forms and cheques for 15p go winging their way across the Atlantic to the needy soul heroes. Sorry it's not like that.....The reality last time I checked was that ALL of the proceeds were divied up amongst the great and the good in that particular weeks top 20. So the Spicey Girls etc get the dosh and poor old Sam Williams still gets diddley squat.

Shame... how mislead you are, i did say the amount is paltry but, its actually about a 100th of a penny that gets spread across the tunes that are registered as played, but not many people are going to waste any time doing that ...but then if they did maybe it may be more than 100th of a penny

Geeooordei

Shame... how mislead you are, i did say the amount is paltry but, its actually about a 100th of a penny that gets spread across the tunes that are registered as played, but not many people are going to waste any time doing that ...but then if they did maybe it may be more than 100th of a penny

Geeooordei

Geordie they gave up trying to track down these old artists years and years ago - I repeat the money from listings goes to the artists in the current chart NOT all the obscurios that gets played everywhere. It's unfortunate but true, unless someone can tell me that the system has completely changed in the last 5 years, which I doubt. So your 100th of pennies don't make the original writers etc. they line the pockets of todays top 40 artists. You still want me to write them all down and submit them?

and his nickname was Tabs

No that was the bloke being intimate with his sister ( and mother)

ouch your a little touchy,

what you may have read to what actually happens is not the same, contact the prs...they actually have a decent web site...or read the original post it actually explains what the prs do its not the top 20 tunes etc if it was how come bobby womack and co still get royalties for tunes written performed as the valentinos (his own words very recently)

My dig is at the originals only brigade...like i say im one of them but i do go the extra mile.and try to do right.

hey dont loose sweat over it, its only music nobodys preaching

Geeoooordie

ouch your a little touchy,

Geeoooordie

You should see me when I am angry then

had a bad day, that's all.

You should see me when I am angry then

had a bad day, that's all.

Me too up since three at work at 5pm

Karate at 6pm and ham string pulled at 6:15pm what a shitter, then beaten up by my 10 year old daughter who scored a Mawashageri to me chin and floored me...thats life

geeooordie

i bought an artist a pint at prestatyn does that cover my prs contribution

i bought an artist a pint at prestatyn does that cover my prs contribution

I think you gave him three years allowance

brilliant

Geeooordie