Frankie Knuckles over quote:

But it ain't, is it really....in truth 'House Music' is the Chicago based/Euro involved fusion of styles....all the vocal NY stuff that we (Our scene) deem acceptable (Why? as it's formula that hasn't changed since we were babbies) is simply a quantised, sequenced continution of the stuff we grew up with and are familiar with.

Fair do's - the studio orchestra is out the door but what do we still have - melody, brass, keyboards, hi hats and sweet black vocals....just Disco.

Todays nighter played House Music is no different to Vicki Sue Robinson.

Word!!

So, Frankie was a few years behind Georgio Moroder then? And if he bought his first drum machine in the 80s he was around a decade behind us when we were making strange noises on the mainframes, but the, he had to wait for us to invent the things. Then again he was around two decades behind the guys that put on the first computer music show, although to be fair, the 'computer', wasn't really a computer by our standards, just a random number generator with programmable parameters. Oddly enough, they claimed to be making 'The New Classical Music' because they reckoned that every combination of music other than random sound had now been utilised.

Not quite sure why you put the Warehouse link up. It doesn't say anything that the last like didn't.

I'm buggered if I'm going to check out every one of those names to see if there's one who was somehow making the music before we invented the machines. If you think any of them were then name them.

I said 'We' not 'Me'.

Okay before I get into to this debate, which I had promised myself I wouldn't, can I ask who the "We" you so proudly you refer to actually are. It will help me if I know whether you are a full on David Irving revisionist, an uneducated (AKA ignorant but don't want to cause another uproar) debater trying to wind up, someone who thinks they really do live in the Matrix, or yet another full on delusional pseudo comic, the delusion being that any of the above is even remotely funny.

And what actual point are you making by linking Frankie Knuckles to the invention of the computer. At least try and link your argument to some semblance of reality, even if it is on a slightly different level from most other people's reality. Neo I am sure is listening.

Not really sure it's actually worth getting into stuff like this but whether you like it or not House was an Afro-American music that admittedly had far wider influences (as Barry has said Chicago stuff having extensive European influences) than the other pure soul based genre's that had arrived post 1969 - funk,, disco etc, but non the less it was an evolution of Black American music, indeed the bastard son of disco (that is real disco, not modern Northern soul, not John Travolta or one the many misuses of the word daily on here) some would say, therefore the slightly demented cousin of 60's soul.

Like both Disco and Funk towards the end of their period much of House has been bastardised so far it is barely recognisable from its origins, and in reality it is almost impossible to define house today as there are so many vastly different strands, 95% of which is not good to my ears, however like Soul generally there is still some good, possibly great House music being made, to me that is generally vocal house, although quite partial to a down and dirty jazz based house instrumental, or even the broken beat break-off (more the adopted child that turns out to be a long lost neice!), probably not to the taste of many, but such is the diversified suite that is house. As usual on here people are judging it based on whether it is Northern Soul compatible, as the wise Bear says above, not really a relevant comparison.

Calling much of the music I am guessing you are referring to as soulful house is much like calling Bee Gees disco or Kool And The Gang later music

Funk, however many do, or even worse calling Barbara Mills, Sue Lynn etc etc Soul records. I suggest you go away and do a bit more swotting, get Trinity to download some more memories. Unfortunately you always get numbnuts dumbing down what was previously pure, that however is no reason to change its history or not to give credit where due, unless you are David Irving.

I don't blame people for not liking it, particularly 60's only people, however WTF do they need to comment on it as if they knew it intimately like a(insert your own familial analogy here) , particularly when it's obvious they have only heard the few examples that Sam is playing, some good some the equivalent of the Footsie for the House generation, but all way out of date. I appreciate there are some above who have heard lots and don't like it, I probably don't understand that but I welcome their considered and informed opinion, even though I know it's wrong!

Finally to call House only computer music is to call Stephen Hawkins only disabled, equally ignorant and ill informed.

Edited February 17, 200817 yr by jocko

AH PROBLEMS,PROBLEMS ANDY.....

THIS ARGUMENT HAS BEEN RAGING SINCE THE 70`S I GUESS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER,SO I DONT THINK WERE GONNA PUT IT RIGHT JUST NOW..........

IT DOES MAKE ME LAUGH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ON THIS SCENE FOR WHOM DISCO IS A DIRTY WORD,ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE MODERN SOUL ON THE SCENE WAS VERY DEFINATELY AIMED AT THE DISCO MARKET..........

DONT FORGET THAT THE REAL BLUEPRINT FOR DISCO WAS THE PHILLY SOUND[HAS THERE BEEN A MORE SOULFULL LABEL IN THE MAINSTREAM ?], ALL THE DODGY STUFF CAME LATER AS THE MUSIC INDUSTRY CASHED IN.......

HOUSE MUSIC WAS ONLY EVER AN EXTENSION OF THE DISCO STUFF,GOOD AND BAD.

MY PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT THERES VERY LITTLE OF ANY SUBSTANCE WORTH ACTUALLY GETTING EXCITED ABOUT. LIKE MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SCENE I HAVE BEEN BUYING WHAT I THINK ARE THE RELEVANT AND BEST EXAMPLES OF SOULFULL HOUSE/DISCO FOR MANY YEARS AND SOME ARE UNDOUBTEDLY BRILLIANT. BUT, GOOD AS THEY ARE, IN MOST CASES,I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE MUSICIANSHIP ON MOST[NOTICE I SAID "MOST",NOT "ALL"]NEWER STUFF PALES IN COMPARRISON TO THE OLD.

AS A FOOTNOTE,I DO PLAY MANY OF THESE TYPE OF RECORDS BOTH DEEJAYING AND AT HOME OR IN THE CAR...........

I SUPPOSE ITS ALL DOWN TO PERSONAL TASTE, THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME DONT THEY

LOVE, IVOR

PS, BISLEY MODERN ROOM SATURDAY. MODERN SOUL IN ALL ITS GUISES TO BE SURE

Yes I agree, Skip Mahoney - Janice springs to mind, or 'The Brothers - Are you ready for this', there are hundreds of Disco tracks that have been accepted on the Northern scene, and the same goes for House tracks too i.e. Driza Bone - The pressure.

Steve

Okay before I get into to this debate, which I had promised myself I wouldn't, can I ask who the "We" you so proudly you refer to actually are. It will help me if I know whether you are a full on David Irving revisionist, an uneducated (AKA ignorant but don't want to cause another uproar) debater trying to wind up, someone who thinks they really do live in the Matrix, or yet another full on delusional pseudo comic, the delusion being that any of the above is even remotely funny.

And what actual point are you making by linking Frankie Knuckles to the invention of the computer. At least try and link your argument to some semblance of reality, even if it is on a slightly different level from most other people's reality. Neo I am sure is listening.

Not really sure it's actually worth getting into stuff like this but whether you like it or not House was an Afro-American music that admittedly had far wider influences (as Barry has said Chicago stuff having extensive European influences) than the other pure soul based genre's that had arrived post 1969 - funk,, disco etc, but non the less it was an evolution of Black American music, indeed the bastard son of disco (that is real disco, not modern Northern soul, not John Travolta or one the many misuses of the word daily on here) some would say, therefore the slightly demented cousin of 60's soul.

Like both Disco and Funk towards the end of their period much of House has been bastardised so far it is barely recognisable from its origins, and in reality it is almost impossible to define house today as there are so many vastly different strands, 95% of which is not good to my ears, however like Soul generally there is still some good, possibly great House music being made, to me that is generally vocal house, although quite partial to a down and dirty jazz based house instrumental, or even the broken beat break-off (more the adopted child that turns out to be a long lost neice!), probably not to the taste of many, but such is the diversified suite that is house. As usual on here people are judging it based on whether it is Northern Soul compatible, as the wise Bear says above, not really a relevant comparison.

Calling much of the music I am guessing you are referring to as soulful house is much like calling Bee Gees disco or Kool And The Gang later music

Funk, however many do, or even worse calling Barbara Mills, Sue Lynn etc etc Soul records. I suggest you go away and do a bit more swotting, get Trinity to download some more memories. Unfortunately you always get numbnuts dumbing down what was previously pure, that however is no reason to change its history or not to give credit where due, unless you are David Irving.

I don't blame people for not liking it, particularly 60's only people, however WTF do they need to comment on it as if they knew it intimately like a(insert your own familial analogy here) , particularly when it's obvious they have only heard the few examples that Sam is playing, some good some the equivalent of the Footsie for the House generation, but all way out of date. I appreciate there are some above who have heard lots and don't like it, I probably don't understand that but I welcome their considered and informed opinion, even though I know it's wrong!

Finally to call House only computer music is to call Stephen Hawkins only disabled, equally ignorant and ill informed.

Oooooo-kay.... I'll try to make it really simple and not fly off in tangents like I'm inclined to do.

The 'We' I referred to are computer geeks. I at no time said 'we' invented house. I said that a/ It wouldn't have been possible if 'we' hadn't invented the machinery, and b/ It wasn't black music.

My reasoning for a/ is that House was made possible by combining the synthersizer (originally developed a major geek) with the computer (Which up to this point had been the sole domain of us lesser geeks), which had by now become small and cheap enough for it to be used to control all manner of things.

My reasoning for b/ is that this equipment went on sale world wide, and all of them programmed with the same beats and sounds. Earlier equipment had been almost infinitely programmable, but they were rich 'serious' musicans toys, the cheaper stuff you had to work with what you'd got. The result of all this was that over the entire world white, black, brown, yellow, and for all I know red kids started producing music, and because the only sounds they could work with were the ones 'we' had programmed in, it all sounded basically the same. House was, in effect, the world's first truly international music, and certainly there had never been anything like it before. For the first time since rock'n'roll, kids had a music that was entirely their own. But... and maybe it was just us, maybe we'd been working on the things for too long, maybe the rest of the world can't hear it, but to me at least, it all sounded like video games.

Oh waht the hell.... I may aswell fess up now...

Karen Young- Hot Shot! Love it. Great tune, great tempo. If you dont dance, you cant dance.

What was this thread about again?

Oh waht the hell.... I may aswell fess up now...

Karen Young- Hot Shot! Love it. Great tune, great tempo. If you dont dance, you cant dance.

What was this thread about again?

The only time NY's West End Records long and illustrious career has indelibly been linked to our beloved Connie Club/Labour Club game of ....snooker.

KY's - 'Hotshot' used to be used as the backing track to the 'Shot Of The Month' on 'Pot Black'....'HOO-HOO-YAY!!'...and just to set the record straight, old 'Interesting Steve' wasn't the only tip chalker that bought Soul....John Parrot was a player at one point too (And no doubt still is).

If you dont dance, you cant dance.

Stop bragging off, think Peter Kay!