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Hi ALL ....I have missed this label posting and will add bits later? However this is on EBay Item number: 200750732769 KIKI DEE On a magic carpet ride, DAVE

HI ALL Sorry I have to disagree with you. as that was the hippys answer for being scruffy and having long hair? DAVE 'NEVER TRUST A HIPPY Johnny Rotton 76'

HI MARK Yes Timebox made an excellent cover, also a cover of SOUL SORCE is great, Last year I sold of my PYE associates including this, leaving me with just the DEMOS! i mention this as to the price on SUMMER TIME ON JM AUCTION, WHY CANT SOMEONE PIONT THESE LOONS MY WAY? Said it before, so I will say it again, I did the UK tour in 76 with BOXER, the late MIKE PATTOS, band, when while holding a 20' inflatable penis, waving it while smoke spurted out, I set myself on fire? and had to jump of the stage at BATH 15'high, so I am the flaming man, DAVE

:hatsoff2:HI ALL After the events of last week, with a few faces I have not seen in years, and the fact, more people know me as DtheDRUG? rather than TAFFY DAD, My blood pressure has gone stupid on me, reading 81/62 hb51, alarming! So it was good that, some sort of conclusion has been reached about the term BEAT BALLARD, on our UK SOUL SCENE, that introduced to the world, from the writings of Dave Godin NORTHERN SOUL, That in the context that Dave wrote that, and the point that I have made about the how the term crossed over, and become the perfect word, to describe certain record, on the SCENE, and the issue that it was Pete Smith who made the comprehensive account of how to use the terminology, which, is definant, Also with Ady comments, that for me, supports my view, I think Pete does deserve the recognition, for it's meaning in our scene, It's a shame that I still can't stand the word 'SOULIE. So yes Pete fame at last, fame at last. AS ALWAYS DAVE'

HI ALL As it is eary and without looking! PLANET was pressed by PHILLIPS ...DAVE

Hi ALL my motto is call a spade a spade., even though, I can remember what it was like, when traveling 'UP T NORTH' on my Todd, many times doing a ALL Dayer afterwards? back in 1973/4, when the word was a descriptive word, and neatly parcelled the whole 48 hours up for me, the word does not cause me worries, if anybody gets embarrassed, by the term well. it reminds me of a BANK HOLIDAY in 1969. WHEN ABOUT 70 OF US HAD NO PLACE TO KIP. So we were at Gt Yarmouth and all headed for the all night cafe on the Bridge, when we all noticed the railway sidings, and about 6 cattle trucks each truck had about 20+ of us in , that was 20+SKINHEADS, Trying to KIP, when some let rip of the loudest and longest fart of the night, so what! well 1 individual Raymond Coulter from LETCHWORTH, got all embarrassed and was trying to make the person who owned the fart to apologize, again so what I hear you mutter. The moral of this tale is simple as in a flash he was christened old mummy boy Coulter, and 2 minutes later after receiving a swift kicking he was thrown straight out of the cattle truck. Personally I always will use the term NORTHERN SOUL. as there is no other word that I care to use. and those people that have used the scene to play their DISCO SOUL on should remember what that music did for those who attended the original scene at the events CHRISS HILL put on at Canvey Island, that man never got embarrassed by words? remember RENTA SANTA I am just sticking up for that 1 individual, that you did not name DAVID ANDREW KILWORTH

HI the term Beat Ballard was not the invention of Pete Smith, and I am sure that at some time, TONY HATCH used the term to Jackie Trent, that her latest Ballard that he had written for her, should have a bit of a lift in delivery, with a 4 BPM tempo at 2x that of a standard waltz 4/3, a Ballard with a beat? or a beat with the Ballard? so I am saying is, that professionals who are musicians writers producers arrangers and uncle Tom Cobbley and all, also as written, it could well have been used by the 1940s big bands, I cant see the term being applied to JAZZ? & again I can't recall DAVID JACOBS or PETE MURRY, Chirping in with 'you are tuned to 208 RADIO TELE LUXEMBURG? The station of the TOP'S in POP'S this week #4 is a really nice BEAT BALLARD from the UK EUROVISION WINNER, TEDDY JOHNSON & PEAL CARR, with 'SING LITTLE BIRDIE' or the LATE JIMMY SAVILLE 'NOW THE NOW THEN BOYS AND GALS out there in the range of the GRAND DUCHEY, hear is a great uptempo beat Ballard GUYS & GALS from the ONE & ONLY Mr LITTLE RICHARD with LUCILE -NOW THEN1 NOW THEN!- Talk about the records played at the TORCH JUNCTION BLETSOE, by ALAN DAY TONY JEBB or GLEN B, as far as I can recall never used the words, and even the UK first recognised reissue of a popular demand that went to #1, was never ever classed as a Beat Ballard, and before those venue,s did the TWISTED WHEEL DJ use it? I think not, and they played quite a lot of harmony records also a terminology not used, such as the 4 Seasons the Beach Boys? So to recap! the term was not used back then, and in 72/3 I recall going through warehouses full of record looking for 100 mph records, and as I skimmed the slowish sounds of my mates head saying it was to slow? not here's another of those rare BEAT BALLARDS OLD CHUM! OH YES IT IS ALL COMEING BACK TO ME NOW, INFACT IT'S SO CLEAR, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, AT WIGAN IN 1978, THAT GREAT RECORD BY FRANKIE VAUGN. OOPS! GEN McDaniels 'walk with a winner' the one that was never played at the Wheel, that's a great sound. Yes DAVE it's different bit of a BEAT BALLARD said the top dealers, HOWEVER The story as far as it goes is not until PETE USED THE WORDS TO DESCRIPE MANY RECORDS OF IT'S TYPE, WAS THE FIRST TIME i READ AN IN DEAPH ARTICLE ABOUT IT'S MEANING, EVER IN PRINT, SO AT THIS STAGE AND MOMENT IN TIME, AS FAR AS THE TEARM BEAT BALLARD GOES AND THE CONTEXT IT IS USED, IS THE SAME AS DAVE GODIN PUTTING THE NORTHERN SOUL TERMANOLGY INTO PRINT? AND IT'S HIS BABY, AND SHOULD BE GIVEN RESPECT FOR HIS FORESITE INTO HIS CONTRABUTION TO THE RARE SOUL SCENE!!! THANKS PETE, Dave Kilworth the mouth of truth

HI ALL ....PETE SMITH is yourMAN, As ge listed loads of cover versions of MOTOWN Records in his mag years ago, I can't put it up on this site as there is copyright to his work, However anouther Spinners recording by Georgie Fame, Sweet Thing. COLUMBIA UK unreleased, but there are 2 known releases on 45 both are impossible finds, and 1 that although exists, I have doubts on the country, INDIA, so there may be the one country, not to worry as it's on 2 of his LPs, the 4 Tops songs I think are the most covered, but again Pete is the man? DAVE

HI ALL.....Over the 40+ years of going to soul all-nighters, there have been quite a few changes, some of which I tend to moan about on soulsource, and other that are inevitable, The early days from 68 to 72 were great for some of us, who wanted just to get away from the norms and routine Saturday night going out to a Dancehall, even though I had a lot of good nights, doing just that, For me the early scene was taboo to most, and thinking about it, most did not even no it existed, as because of it's main core requirements, that most underground scenes have,(if not all) the people who attended them, were all trusted with the old crimanal codes, rule 1, dont GRASS, 2, only tell those who can be trusted, and so on, As the All-night Scene, was based around the MOD SCENE & that was based on the WEST INDIAN (Jamaican House Clubs) the purposs remained of it's funcyion & purpose, the main one was a place to go, and use illiciit drugs, at the end of the 60s you could associate what drugs went with certain types of music, like the Jazz clubs in SOHO that I ventured into, like Ronnie Scotts, the drug of choice was Heroin, as the buzz off opiates fits in with how most of the music was played, so typicaly JAZZ is lacking in dramatic break changes and is more sophisticated and almost flat, just like the drug, the Underground music of progresive rock, was based around drugs that alterd the perseption such as LSD, Psychodelia was for all tence and purpose, the death of the Mod scene that was in the main a R&B Scene mixing the music changes from the USA & JA, and was a stimulant based scene, the end of the 60s saw the a regection of most overground music scenes, and depending on the demagraphics most people who were 18 years or younger used many of the MOD traights but were more obsesive in every thing thay did, so REGGAE was in, and in the places where there was no black community so to speak, the obsession off going a lot deeper into the old MOD music, was to be the starting piont, So the core ingredeants of the scene was BLACK music & DRUG taking, youths that would poke you in the eye just incase you were thinking or by being in ther vision, All infomation about the scene was by word of mouth, and there is not much evedance today that the youth sub culture of the 68/69 period even existed at all, considering how it is looked back on today, and what goes exist was never captured by the media, only the negative side off this time has been carried foreward, by any actavist who wants, to paint a picture of a right wing sociaty, when it was the complets oppersit, with the media tag SKINHEADS, My piont being this if you say to some one the word VEITNAM, It's still veiwed by the vast majority as what the US media prtrayed in every film, nothing about the 35 years of peace that exists in this democratic country? So The first massive change was how it started out, the porpose of the scene, and it's almost masonic structure to protect it? With the closeing of the Torch in March 73, the underground elietist drug fueled all nighters had gone, within 24 months the whole country was WIGAN NORTHERN SOUL nuts, advertised and spoke about, attended by those who thought it was hip or the youngsters who fely the urge to do what the big lads had done, this was to change the scene, forever, at first it was a bad for people like myself, and the police soon busted me? but for most people on this site it was the long personal journy of what has become there lives, and as such they can offer a differant perspective on the scene, of course I could add loads to this, but again, my grammer and spelling mistakes must make it hard to read for the majority of the time, so again I am sorry for this issue, DAVE

HI ALL..... The Term as I am concered, is and was used on the NORTHERN SOUL SCENE used for Walk with a winner, not before then, Its nice to pay homage to Les, however the term Norther Soul was not even being used back then? the Drifter was played at the TWISTED WHEEL along with a host of records, that fell away, only to be rediscoverd, for example most UK releases would have been available to the Wheel DJs however if we take a look at 2 lables $TATESIDE & CAMEO PARKWAY, Mst were played, however RUFUS LUMLEY, HOAGY LANDS, CHUBBY CHECKER 'JUST DON'T NO' were not, Indeed the word BEAT BALLARD was used in the music world going back to the 1940's by the BIG BAND sound, GLEN MILLER JOE LOSS, as for records like Jimmy Radcliffe, They are better known as enders on thhe Northern Soul Scene, and that catogary has some bizzare records in it to finish the night on, proberbly back in the late 60s the most common ender was Booker T & MG's Green Onions, however Fats Domino Keeps Rainin, was the TORCH ENDER, And in HITCHIN at the DIVE BAR, The DJ Billy MAC would always end the night with Every one go home?? WIGAN had it's 3 before 8, thanks to DAVE EVERSON, and it has become almost impossible to play any of the 3, in a set at any other time then at the end of the night,, In some way, I do believe that as a descriptive word, to describe certain soul records, would have been lpst, if PETE SMITH, had not used it in the right context, and as I can't think of anyone apart from PETE who stapled the words into the RARE SOUL SCENE, Lke Mr Godins Northern Soul, Petes use of BEAT BALLARS as used on the scene, was first put down in print by PETE SMITH, As such, thats how the OXFORD DICTIONARY would use it as a definition? unless there is an early referance printed??/ DAVE

HI ALL ....No matter how much I have tried over the years, never can I keep my records in atchive order, so any good tips on all aspects of storage, and listing would be also welcome from myself, I am a very oral person? DAVE

HI ALL....Below is what the origanal issue looks like, any other recording of this classic is not worth much with exception orig US DEMO, UK DEMO & ISSUE, This copy should cost about £20+? However it is well worth picking up as most people dont have a copy?? DAVE

HI ALL...Personally, I think that it has become inevitable, that as the old NORTHERN SOUL SCENE, Got the TAG of naffness! from some collectors, who when back in the days, realised that the Top sounds were no longer found in junk shops, flea markets and even in racks in the local news agent or CO-OP, And the only way to get into the rare record aspect of the scene, and directed focus on 70s & 80s stuff, it is and was a certainty, that for a period of time, some classic Northern records sat in boxes for far to many years, And we have seen certain records that were soul pack finds or easy to pick up, Betty Swan 'kiss' on Atlantic was common and a good record, another easy record that even now amazes me that it shot up so out of the blue, 'Stanky day off' went from £1 to £100? if that makes sense, at the same time I saw touch my heart sell at £50 if you no the logic behind that, sorry I don't, but, for the majority of records that were played in 72 to 75 are now all worth £40+ KEITHS right to sit on records like merry go round, as he like me and you who have the record it was a cheap record with a price tag 25 years ago, how many are out there in peoples boxes, again not many, also I remember quite a few copies in the Wolves area back then , maybe MAX NEIL PEP Mr T SHOPS got them from Anderson? but they were not as common elsewhere? Finally if you played young people those classics in the conditions as you first had heard them, and put the same people in the same conditions as you here the stuff played to day, it is obvious what would be the favoured type to listen to, DAVE

HI ALL, ...Although I never used the wordage 'Beat Ballard' myself, in the 70s, it describes certain records perfectly, whether it is being performed, by(not trying to be political correct, here more as how music was viewed in the 60s) a white,or black, artist solo. or as a group, and as we all use the tag now, it started to be used more in the 80s, The bench mark is Phil Specter's 'Wall of Sound' and it was created to compete with 'MOTOWN', SPECTORS use of the multi track overdub, was not his creation, It however was capitalized on 50s Country due LES PAUL & MARY FORD, ALL SPECTOR did was apply it to every thing, my favourite example of Specter perfection, is the Ronettes 'walking in the rain' and the Riotous Bros 'you lost that lovin feeling, The 1st record on the scene to be recognised as such, Gene McDaniel's 'walk with a winner' late 77 Discovery, early 78 saw this record go massive, so Pete's bang on, and I am surprised Ady C, did not agree with Pete, nothing says he has to? But I was with Ady, Mick S & 2 others? at WIGAN, when Pete And, had 6 mint copies on UK liberty, I paid £7, for my copy as it had a crack, the next record was Barbara McNair 'your gonna love my baby'. since them as I say most artist who got a chance to record a LP, is they recorded a Beat Ballard, for it, DAVE The 1st BEAT BALLARD, ON THE SCENE??

HI ALL As I am not as expert, as you 2 Wolverhampton lads, I also have noticed the price rise? maybe we are looking right back to the 70s as a bench marks, or it.'s a case that we got copies from the right people or they come our way before reaching others? but they are all classics, I have not looked at RANKING JOHNNY BOYS AUCTION, to-night but 2 of these were for sale and I bet you would price them the same as me, the rarest not money wise is the DELCOS 1st press as over the years I have seen loads of RED COPIES. VALUE PLEASE? DAVE

HI I COLLECT ALL THAT STUFF, and have a few wants, if you have a list I can price them up for you as a dealer will not give much, and if you have something I can give a better deal, as a collector I have a few spares of most stuff, however I am after BLUES& SOUL #2 I WILL PM YOU DAVE

HI STEVE Don't get me wrong mate, I am almost 100% in agreement, I have just used your article, as a platform for others, who may think it's a cool thing to do, and personally we have all been let down, but although our mate might muck people around and has mucked you about, I was pointing out, if for some reason it was me being named for that, I would be tempted to bury at least 10 hole of DM up your arse? no not really, however if you have had records stolen or worse a DJ BOX?? as I have, you really feel gutted and low and then you. well I would have got great pleasure from inflicting pain that would last a lifetime, I don't like the trend of name and shame, if any one has an issue and cant sort it, you have the contact of someone who can sort it for you? you understand nothing personal, mate. as always DAVE & ASSOCIATES IN DEBTS AND UNSEEN ASAILANTS ,

HI ALL .... As the STAX LABEL, Was the label of proper soul, when I left school in 1967 and one of my 1st records that Io got was Eddie Floyd's classic 'things get better', what a great record, I can recall being at the BOWES LYONN CENTRE in Stevenage New Town, (as featured in the film, here we go round the mulberry bush) in fact I will get around to places like Stevenage and how this London over spill new town was so influential on MOD culture, that it even get credits on the back sleeve of the WHO'S QUADRAPHINIA, many bands like the WHO KINKS SMALL FACES and all types such as GENO. JIMMY JAMES, and it's music policy was very close to the TILES CLUB & FLAMINGO, The most impressive part of going to 'BOWES' and may surprise some of you, this was just the YOUTH CLUB, one of the regular DJ Freddie Mac, who also used to DJ at the KAYSER BONDOR BLUE ROOM, in BALDOCK again being to young but my elder sister orig MOD girl, saw many top groups their including the ROLLING STONES for 5/6d, SO IT;S A MOD MOD MOD MOD WORLD, Getting back to this thread, UK STAX is a great label to collect if you like soul, and on my shelf along with all the other Cd's that never get played, I found this set of 6, titled STAX CHARTBUSTER Vol 1-6 And they have a price of 2 x £5 on the back, there is an excellent set of records on them , as I have all the UK RELEASES From the BLUE STAX, EMI STAX. AND BACK TO POLYDOR, THE CD SET IS well worth picking up Before I forget a great bloke who used to pest me for GREEN & BLUE DEMOS from MOTOWN and the RED DEMO AND THE PURPLEISH STAX DEMOS back in 1977, he must of been the 1st to have all off them at the time, this great bloke was NEV WHERRY, if you got know NEV you will no his passion for collecting UK records, I still miss the man, but never forget him NEV.er! DAVE

HI IAN...Reading through all your replies, to each & everyone who have sent you their sincere remarks about Helen and about yourself, I find your resolve courage love & conviction to wards Helen absolutely wonderful, .. as Thursday will soon be here, just in case we don't have any in depth conversations for myself your loss and our loss, has made me more aware of how I would cope, not very well I think, as when Sir Dave Rimmer went through his loss, who also showed similar qualities as your self, If you ever feel like kicking the cat, please feel free to project that stuff on myself and not those who are to close, it would be good to see you HARPO & MICK and all those who have you and Helen in their thoughts this week, for a follow up night for you, and your contribution not only to the Wolverhampton Soul Scene but as a Pioneer of the scene that is recognised around the world today, RIGHT ON BROTHER PEP, RIP SISTER HELEN, The FAITH is KEPT. AS ALWAYS DAVE KILWORTH

HI ALL....Steve could you explain what are the pit falls as a seller on EBay? this is just an enquiry into what the realistic expectations of selling on the EBay site. As we all are aware of the basic principles of EBay and the use of FEEDBACK to make the EBay community aware of issues that may cause buyer or seller problems? Why am I asking? simply as a buyer only on EBay, 99% has been with dealers who sell records, that I would like to obtain for my personal use, I have made over 1000 purchases, since joining. and my feedback score is 100%, and I have yet to give anyone a negative feedback, As like most people who use SOULSOURCE have experience of buying rare records, at club/venue level, personally my experience as a seller of records at venues goes back to 1973, at WIGAN & BLACKPOOL MECCA, The rules of selling back then, had to be asserted on the to any potential buyer, as the scene is based around rare records, the rules that I used were as follows, 1, always keep your eyes on the record box, 2, intersect only with buyer on specific issues relating to his/her purchase, (many a block head, will ask 100 questions about every thing, but the record he has waving about in his hands), 3, never allow people to grab a handful of records, when more than 2 people are looking through your box, 4, Always have another person with you, as you only have 2 eyes, 5, be cautious in letting individuals who make impossible requests from you, as this is a common way to distract you, and your focus on your box, 6, Forget all the Right ON Soul Brother stuff, many records are stolen, even record boxes, in many cases to order? 7, never lend records ever? 8, don't be out of head while selling? As you are a seller, what is it that does not work, as far as I can see, and forgive me if I am wrong, someone is either late or changed their minds about a purchase from you? This can be easy rectified by including a rule on transaction, As a seller you surely expect the issue of non payment to crop up regularly, so you should again have a policy about this, in a straight forward statement. you don't want to lose potential custom. To conclude I do understand the frustrations that sellers go through, also that a seller is 10x more likely to receive negative feedback, to help with this I try to pay for my purchases within 12 hours of the end of auction, however there have been times when this has not happened, If there was a reason, that I could not make contact with the seller after 14 days, and the seller used another web site to discuss issues that could be very private but decremental to my character I would be well annoyed, and would take the matter further, especially if it's about non payment? as you have not lost anything as such, a sales deal perhaps, but can you imagine if sales people around the world named and shamed an individual for a non sale?? The name and shame policy should only be used for known people who commit proven crimes, non payment is not a crime is it?? or is it the principle of the matter DAVE K

HI ALL.....Mentioned before my best was a UK A&M DEMO - Ron Keith 99p. 250-70s/80s Disco records £9.99 Great! stuff? ROSCO ROBINSON - PYE INT-'That's enough', mint £15 loads of stuff really a few weeks ago £17 Young Holt - 'Whack Whack- Brunswick DEMO Minty, BBC TRANSCIPTION DISK - MOTOWN VA MINT £4.99, However i have made 3 or 4 cock up they did not cost much, but I really thought I was having it off when I got in from the Pub years back as I don't have more than 5 pints a year now?? JAMES BOUNTY- Prove yourself a lady & MVP's turning my heartbeat up? both looked right when I bid on them? I even got more excited when I found out what the MVP's fetched, and the CLAUDETTE 'SKINHEAD A BASH EM'! WHITE LABLE JA PRESS, £22 I PAID, many people got caught out on this when it 1st appeared on EBay someone paid over £100 many sold over £50 I was lucky that no one else bid on it? Never have a drink before going on EBay? DAVE K

HI I take it that you are not talking about 'PERCY' the trusty one eyed trouser snake? that was the favourate pet of Bazza Humhries, the Diggerdebian, famouse for thunder chunder into the mighty PACIFIC, Following a afternoon of FOSTER TUBES on BONDI Beach, strooth mate! what are you POMI BAZZAS talking about snakes for? ain't you got any Sheilas that PERCY can hide in for hour tonight???? DAVE K

HI i HAVE READ ABOUT THIS VERSION? DOES IT EXIST?? Also i must mention that the rarest version is 'what shall I do' on UK PHILIPS.

HI ALL If it's not Singapore, as they did press records as said, but they also imported from INDIA or the Philapines, however it's strange that it;s not written on the label, how about this big YATE sound? value? but must be above the UK ISSUE? DAVE

Hi over the years I have had many records that for whatever reason, that have ended up in boxes, that have not been played in some cases for years, only to find that a DJ is playing the record and it has become indemand, this is so true for some of the great soul records that are sung by Jamaican artists, and totally ignored on the rare soul scene, except Jackie Edwards & Jimmy Cliff, One record that comes to mind that had been in my box of pre 68 Jamaican records was Glen Miller, I always liked the record, but quite clearly along with many records I have played Mick Smith he would after 10 seconds lift the needle of and give me the stare of mentor to pupil as to why this was I can only guess, but when it got played, who would ever have thought that the record would be so popular, it took me by surprise as it become a good earner, as I took to the phone and rang all the collectors of JA music and even got the 1st STAG copy for £30 of a well known dealer in NOTTS, who only got wind of the that it was breaking into the Northern scene. Actually I could have sold it for more than I did, but it went to a good guy Ady Lipton. but better still I sold it in front of Mick, and gave him £5O as I used his time and stall at Keele, Just to say you could of had at least 4 copies of me 2 years ago for that price? As we are all aware that music whether it's rare or just in demand has a fickle market place, as again a few months back on this site I offer a JAMES WALSH issue that did not sell? and Pete sold a DEMO for around £50, OK so many people got a pressing of it? but a few weeks ago, John Manship got £110 for a DEMO? I can't make sense of it all except that John got about the right price, for such a rare record, not an inflated price that some people thinks that he gets?? who cares, at the end of the day you sell at your peril, DAVE