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HI ALL.... JOHN ANDREWS - A ROSE GROWING IN THE RUINS - PARLOPHONE R. 5455 A IT'S JUST LOVE - R. 5455 B. - SIMPSON-ASHFORD - UK RELEASE 20th May 1966 This is one of the top 10 UK Releases that still eludes the keen collector, and it is also one the Records that has never depreciated in price over the years, It is very hard to put a cash value on this record, as there have only been 2/3 sold in the last 5 years publicly? so my valuation of £400+ may be insulting to some of you, or bang on to others, Again it is my opinion that both ISSUE & DEMO copies are very rare, the question is it the rarest of the Rare UK Soul on Parlophone Records??. The DEMO is definitely rarer than Jimmy Thomas R.5773 as recent sales on EBay have shown, Also in the rare category of this record (similar price range) are certain BEATLES DEMOS such as "HELP" "HELLO GOODBYE" & above some of the others,?? However the money that BEATLES DEMOS go for does not reflect their true rare value?? As for the ISSUE (stock copy) Jimmy Thomas is much rarer? but to be truthful they seem to be equal, as I have only had 1 copy of it (from SWOZ) many years ago! and it is interesting that I swapped it with Mick Smith for a Mint DEMO??? I think back then the record was hardly known, and the first time that I read about it, was in BEATIN RYTHEM fanzine Editor Publisher & Pete Smith, who speaks with authority about the record and it's lyrics, he rated it above Jimmy Thomas back then? either way it's come along way since then and is now rated above most rare UK only, as for any released copies of the 2 songs by ASHFORD & SIMPSON there is non, and even if another version of "it's just love" dud turn up, there would not the demand for it, like there is for John Andrews? CHEER DAVE

Hi All I still have fond memorys of Leeds in the mid 70s, however surely there must be someone who can invite this potential customer to your drum to buy some unwanted sounds, why not knock up Pat Bradey, Tell im I said you had to let you in??? Dave

Hi to all you GROOVIATES .....YES that's my new name for collectors who have style!!! Here's one from my MOTOWN Collection, YES! it's a bit TWEE, but good enough I think for you to listen to, as we all are aware, trying to find a top quality SOUL record on TAMLA MOTOWN is like ping into the wind? so I will just say here's a good Jr Walker & the All-Stars Record! issued in 1971 & getting a UK release in 1975 on TAMLA-MOTOWN TMG 889. i am sure that there is no G&W Demo, & I have not seen a B&Silver one??? this record as far as I am aware received no attention on the 2 SOUL scenes of the DAY, However, as I say it may be a sleeper, as I have not seen many copies for sale, so at best this record may be a CAR BOOT FIND or CHARITY SHOP, Jr Walker & the All-Stars - "don't forget the children" Value £1+ (worth more really) issue, Rated**** https://youtu.be/WxRWvnsedNE

HI ALL It would seem SHIRELY WANTED IT BAD? Dave K

>>> <<< And welcome to part 2 of SOULSOURCE RECORD CLUB 2012, "SPRING" Thanks to all of you who have contributed to the success of the SOULSOURCE RECORD CLUB, And to the diverse eclectic soul mix that would and could only be done to this standard, by yourselves, to Kick Off the SPRING Collection I have chosen a CLASSIC UK Group of the 60s, and one of the great B sides of all time, Typical MOD R&B cover, so good it's BRILLOANT!!! DECCA F-12332 the ANIMAL -"OUTCAST", Year 1966, Value £4 issue, DEMMO £15 Rated ***** I HOPE YOU DIG THIS, ALL YOU GROOVIATES, GREAT VOCAL POWER & BRILL BEAT 'N' RYTHEM TYPICAL TWISTED WHEEL CLUB SOUND PLAY LOUD THANKS DAVE K

HI ALL What do you mean by end? has there been a Quantum Rare Soul All-nighter, As the Night never finishes? I am still Perkin from the LIFELINE event?? DAVE

Hi All..I totaly agree with this being a great cheapies, I found my copy along with 25 other classics on Bilston Market 1981, 10p each & they all have a sticker on, with the name "Tiny Eastman" whoever he is he had some great records, as I have not sold any on? DAVE

HI ALL HAVE A FEW, BUT FOR EVERY RIGHT REASON, THIS HAS TO BE THE BEST, & THE LP ? DAVE

HI ALL First of all I assumed that the sound clip was not given and I have started, then I will check to see if it is this record? if you are into rareish versions of the song this has more appeal, and not to easy to find, It's 1 of 2 records that Duane Clark put out on the SPARK Label # SRL1158 A, 1978. I remember Rub Pheasant being surprised about this one when I played it few years back? value £10+ could be a biggie like his other release?????? DAVE PS;- i THOUGHT YOU WERE JOKING ABOUT jOHNY MATHIS, THIS is not the one you are looking for, b ut it's the best version shame I have not put a sound clip up?? :thumbup:Not the SAME but Better!

Hi All Rob This Detroit record (or was it LA?) is and will probably remain a sleeper, and now & again someone will come across it and ask the question WHY does this not get played? I am sure it has, but like many of it's like, there are plenty of similar records out there to be found from the 70s, However I urge you all to give this a few plays, and you will discover it has a little bit more to it, to be put in the rejected box? A few years ago now! I used to meet up with a few local SOUL Collectors (Wolves area), one person in particular whose knowledge on Modern & crossover records was second to none, he did not just play a record, he would be able to tell you every fact about every record, and was years ahead of most people in the UK with his finds, most of which he never paid more than £1 each, he was the person who opened my ears to this one, and I am doing the same, the collector was Roger Nichols from Willenhall, so you cant get a better reference than a R N Rating ***** price about £30 upwards I don't think there is any difference in the price of DEMO & ISSUE, but the issue looks better to me, you may be able to get this even cheaper than the price I have given, but it's worth more? DAVE

HI MATE, First thing I must make clear to everyone, is to ask yourself an honest question, why did I by a f***ed copy & not a nice minty one? if the answer is "it's a bargain, & with a little restoration, it will be fine in my collection" "It's a rare record and if I manipulate some of it's flaws, and Mug it of on someone, as a Romany you will be stealing from me! PVA is a safe product & it works very well, & safe on all 45s & LPs never tried it on a 78 rpm record, the success and benefits on applying it, is in it's molecular structure, it wraps around any lose stuff that has built up over the life of the record, how it works is it lifts upwards all the gunge & away, not shifting it to the side? if a person wants to remove layers of face make up and get just their natural skin to show? they use a face pack, which works in the same way, PVA is similar to latex, a product of rubber, copydex may do the same job? never tried I have to go out, will be back to finish and answer all questions at 17.00 DAVE

HI ALL This is an old Spin, I used to play it in the 80s, at the now demolished BLACK HORSE PUB, WOLVES, Underated ***** https://youtu.be/IHayZD3dyn8

HI ALL Had to get my copy out to spin, I loved this track the most. when I got the LP of Mick Smith after he bout it back from the USA 1974, "OH! BABY" Is clearly the best track on the "NOLAN" LP. and all 45s are hard to find also this did not get a UK release, The B side is a very nice version of the REGGAE spin, and would go nice at scooter club event, As for rare, a word that is so over used and not in context any more, it's elusive plus hard, my copy has been through a few people over the years, and shows it's vintage, with owners names scratched in, To get a mint copy under £50 is a mugging, it has always been about, that's why you think it's cheap? £200 in your pocket could you get 4 or 5 minty copies over the next 24 hours? as always DAVE 69. PROPER SLEEVE

HI ALL, The use of PVA Wood Glue, Is the best & safest way to get rid of years of crap that gets into the record grooves. as it lifts the muck right out, I must mention that whatever cleaning method you use, PVA is a must! and safe, I come across the idea in the early 80's when I was in charge of a kids Adventure Playground, there was an article on what to do on wet cold days working with kids,it was in a book published by the ISLINGTON BUS Co, Remember APG back then attracted the unclubbable kids, so it was educational, it showed you how to make a record, by using junk, the PVA was to show the kids that a 7" record was stemmed from a mast disk, so you put 4 to 5 layers of the PVA over the plastic, leave it 24 hours and the remove it, this part of the demonstration would have been planned prior, the article went on to demonstrate how to make your own record and record player using a foil milk top a pin string beeswax & tin cans and wrapping foil, in fact PVA has many good use, making a face mask and so on? another way is to use a lint free cloth meths and a vacuum cleaner, with the small 5" T shaped head attachment, and suck the muck out. I have used this method to get rid pf warps in some records with great success, DAVE69

HI ALL... I DID SAY , THAT YOU NEED A GOOD ACTIVIST TO GET THINGS GOING! & THAT PERSON SHOULD COME FROM THE CITY of MANCHESTER, WITH CONTACTS? IF THIS IS DONE! I WILL BE PROACTIVE, IF YOU HAVE JUST 10 PEOPLE, TO GO TO THE WHEEL WITH MEDIA KNOWLAGE, THIS TIME IN 7 DAYS THE WHOLE OF THE UK WILL BE AWARE, IF THE 2 FOOTBALL TEAMS GET SOPPORT? THE CLOSING DOWN OF THE TWISTED WHEEL. SHOULD GET MUCH MORE?? AS ALWAYS DAVE K

HI ALL My answer to this question, makes me feel old, as to-days soul scene collectors are aware of a few thousand records, even the most rare of rare records, are available to listen to on your PC & there are sites just like Soul Source where info is shared freely? However when I started looking for rare soul in the early 70s the info was not shared so freely and when it was it come as part of a deal. I would spend hours going through records in warehouses lock up second hand junk shops, looking at record labels writers publishers being blind was a big part of the scene, This is why I moan about people whose collections are just made of £150 records and higher, OK for those who started when I did, but to have a collection that was acquired just with cash surly is not the same as the early scene, however i suppose if i had loads of spare cash to spend, I cant deny that I would buy my own top tunes that i need? Also if you think about it look at the records from 72-75 how many were by white artists, just take a look at the top 20 CBS UK RELEASES and you get the picture, these records were all bought blind originally and were huge for there sound, as it fitted in with the northern soul tag, however SHANE MARTIN is still a great NORTHERN SOUL SPIN DAVE

HI ALL....YES it is RARE! Why not sell it to a listener of SMOOTH RADIO FM? DAVE69

Hi All....This great Philadelphia Label, has many surprises, for those who try and complete the run, And to confuse the issue most of the label was repressed, In the back pages of Soul Source, there has been many similar entries as this, to my knowledge very few records on the label are Bootlegs such as the brilliant Mike & Ike "Sax on the TRAX"? also you cant always rely on just collecting the original Demo, as some Demos have blank sides on them missing out the rare track altogether, and then there's the old scenario of plenty copies of certain records and very few of others?, The top artist on ARTIC was Barbara Mason, of late many people who by passed her records, have come to appreciate her great voice, The Volcanoes were an outstanding group, and they seemed to have a knack of anticipating the UK rare soul scene 2 years before it really kicked of, they must of realised this as when just a few years on and a change of name, they recorded some of the worlds best loved DISCO records many of which are still more classy than the obscure finds that are played, NUMBER 1 as above is the original and I would put a Value of £10 - £15 remember the UK Soul scene is based on DEMAND? so it becomes hard to put the into the value, also the demand for the groups LAWS of LOVE & HELP WANTED, have put this in 3rd place? DAVE 69

Hi All I have put this Detroit Classic from the RIC-TIC Label on to-night, for 1 reason only, After following the thread about selling up your Collection, would you get the same satisfaction from watching this? or having it at home to play as and as often as you want, and thinking about the whole history about the label and all the detroit record labels, or be a 2 dimensional freak,? Freddie Gorman RIC-TIC 101 DEMO, Value £20 real value to me right now, priceless! DAVE69

Hi All As far as I am aware, we all no how Ian discovered the record, thank GOD he did, as far as I am concerned, this classic of classics, would have never seen the light. except the light of the flames, when the TK warehouse burnt down? and we no that at the time again by fluke John Anderson had a copy, and only 3 demos turned up. The record although not Northern Soul as in 100mph stomper, soon become everybody's fave, The next bit is vague, but the news of the record success was soon given to Gene Redd, and within weeks of it's 1st plat at the MECCA, Blues & Soul had an advert advertising that the record was available for sale, I will dig it out if needed, my assumption was that all the copies were 1st issues of the record, pressed up just to cash in on the MECCA spin. now we no that the DEMO was as said, and we no that the issues were pressed by or on the say so of Gene Redd, because of the demand, also that explains the use of the Label. Also John Anderson had a copy. and he had contacts, but so did Global. and also John Abbey at Blues & Soul, the answer is there someplace, as it was the only advert of it's type in B&S. Did it have connections with Contempo? who knows, the answer is who put the advert in B&S, and finally the amount of Copies that exist, in my opinion must differ from the initial release, so we now know a few more DEMOs have turned up, but most are bootlegs, and I reckon there are hundreds of Fake Issues or Counterfeit 2nd issue, Did Neil Rushton put it out once, if so he will no if it come from a master tape, if so it could well of had the instrumental on it. or been a 4 track tape and dub of the vocal, just a thought, And I am not suggesting Neil did the dead? so it makes the original DEMO Very Rare DAVE 69

¯»¿ Hi All Over the many years of collecting, as Ian has said above, from my teenage years, and apart from a couple of years, when I grew my hair and bought LP's not just the BLUES LPs that I still love, but my venture into listening to records where 1 track was 20 minutes long, and I attended the Roundhouse & the Middle Earth club when it was based in Portobello Rd, I used to like the Finches Pub also. and looking back I must admit I did enjoy seeing live acts (that's something most of you missed out on, but common back then) my collecting has focused on the obscure & rare, as most of you know! i was very influenced by Mick Smith, (as I think I must have given him more name checks in my weight up than anyone) but those who have known him as long as myself and the fact he lived down the road from me, would agree, you could not have a better mentor, over the Years I have always gone to him first for records, as he seemed to know everyone back then, However Mick to many of you is more known as a dealer in rare records, and as I have often mentioned, there are 2 collectors scenes and 2 sets of prices, The Rare Soul Scene dealers work on the principle similar to drug dealers, as once as they see you are hooked, then they really go to town, as soon as you get the record that you are after of them, they suddenly wave the next goodies in front of you, Also they cast a hypnotic spell of loyalty of obedience, i am sure that we have all witnessed, a collector for whatever reason sell there collection off, and the dealer, apply the the buying techniques, Already the word cherry picking has been stated, this tells you that the dealer wants to see how desperate you are for cash? Often you will see the Dealer go through a box and start putting records into piles, these piles start at £5 & stop at £30? anything above that will be put into a separate pile and taken as his right to buy at half price assuming that you know the current price? The trick is what your body language is saying, what they look for is 1 they know you need the money and 2 you don't want to sell? 3 you think that he is going to by them all? OK I am stereotyping a bit and I am talking about a box rather than a collection. and in my case if I took records to Mick he is well aware, that the records he wants from me wont be in the Box, but he ain't bothered as for example if I died this week, he knows that MARIE will give him the lot to sell for her? That's why my current collection has taken me so long because I could have splashed out big money with Mick to put it together, but I must have only bout about 50 of him in 10 years and most have cost well under £50, I have got more pleasure buying records this way than pocking up the phone and getting him to put my collection together, The moral of this story for me is, that the last collection I sold was my US records, since the what I got for them, if I kept them today I would have got the same for 2 of them, that's how much the scene has changed, I have always blamed the Magazine Record Collector, for turning Record collectors who would sell records, into Dealers, when they started to put adds that had no price, but the word BIDDS next to them, or Auction, I still believe in the issue whatever the price of a record on sale, offer half the amount, especially these days, as the dealers are in the same boat as you, but in some respects worse, as they have all there £££££ invested in stock, so the table is turning, I nearly started to sell up the other week, and I have now decided it is to painful, DAVE

HI mate what info do you need to know? as started your topic, talking about trying to complete the SOUL SOUNDS LABEL. and then go of on a tangent, did you think he still had some left in his boot? he has been of the scene for 40 yrs, if he went to prison, it was not for BOOTLEGGING, as he just sold them, he did not make them! and although Dave Godin use to write about the bootlegging that he was alleged to be involved in, the people who collected them, were not to bothered, and as for the actual music on each record, even today there is not a naff one on the label, By the way I have the complete set, and some are extremely hard to find, of course Ranking Johnny Boy Manship, knows every thing there is to know in the world, it will cost you though? DAVE 69

HI ALL GIRLS! I Would of thought, rather than the 2 days of non action, from SOULSOURCE members, can't at least 1 of you get in touch with GREENPEACE!! as they are really passionate on the subject of SAVEING THE WHALE! SOME OF THE PIONTS PUT FOREWARD SO FAR, HAVE MEANT NOTHING? THIS IS WHAT TO DO!...So far the best suggestion is to agree on is it worth saving? if so why?...... The concept of it being saved as a building of NATIONAL & LOCAL HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE, seems to me the obvious starting place, if they can save a semi-detached house in Liddypool, because of the link to Macca! and the BEATLEMANIA! (Youth sub culture) The importance to pay homage to the Manchester Club the LIVE Acts, and the cult following, for young people to gather together as the only way to hear music, BLACK MUSIC, At a time when the majority of the country had racist & bigoted views on any thing foran to them, It is now excepted that the MOD culture of the inner Cities were the 1st people to start the integration process in England, the early All NIGHT clubs owners, were taking a huge risk, by establishing these Clubs, that only 18 moths earlier, would have been raided by the youth cult of TEDDY BOYS, My paint can be better made by looking at the immigrants who lived in NOTTING HILL! Although to us the Soul Scene is our life and our passion, made with a bond of love, greater than our lust to reproduce! for many of us it is a religion (belief) that we can't live without, Again the next big step towards integration, come as a shock reaction f the working class youth towards the more privileged middle classes, who were given far more privileges to further their education, only to be HIP and Drop out, or establish sorority groups that stated all men were bad! and saw the answer to be liberated from their shackles to have the right to be feminists, I am not knocking or mocking them for this, But the girls that I met in 68 smelt of body Mist, MUM Roll on, Yardley SEA JADE, and liked to shop in CHELSEA GIRL. In 1968 the reaction to the freaks turned hostile, they looked down their noses at us, Eventually there snooty ways got answered with a leather sole, and then by BOOTS, these younger MODS were given the name of in the South East BOVVER BOYS, BOOT BOYS & AGRO BOYS, As a Micky take on the Cockney Accent, by 1969 they were christened with the name SKINHEADS, in the South East the integration carried on, but the big difference was that the majority of SKINHEAD Firms started to attend the local West Indian Clubs and most up market clubs played the new soul FUNK! the new Jamaican Music Reggae appealed to the 15 to 20 year old, However although the style went northbound, the SOUL Scene went UNDERGROUND, so much so, that you would never of known it existed, as invitation was by word of mouth only, When I went into the twisted Wheel Club in 68, it was by pure fluke as I had watched West Ham play, we were going to Blackpool, but hit the Pubs around the rail station, and just stumbled across the bob next to the wheel, Now the reason behind this post, is if I can appreciate the importance of the building and how it stands as a statement as to all the original clubs, instead of yapping on, lets at least organise a demo to protest and for those of you who still don't get the point or the difference between the Wheel that closed in 1971 and the opened one, all I can say some of us are or have fallen on hard times, the true fraternal spirit of the original club goers would take me and TOADY BOY and all the others back for that last time visit. in fact I would do the tent thing that they did at St Paul's just to make the statement? it's back in your hands BROTHERS & SISTERS RIGHT ON KTF SAVE THE TWISTED WHEEL CLUB OK! DtheDRUG 69

Forgive me Father, for I have sinned, It has been some time since my last confession about opening my trap, before reading the article? and it seems that I do this to Pete more than any other, for that, Father I deserve what I get, 4 Hail Marys & 2 Our Fathers, in the name of Te Father, So sorry Pete and I take back any thing that you object to, however my point about the buying in records for resale is true of most dealers, and it is generally excepted that a dealer in rare record has to work on a different set of prices, than the general public work with, I am a bit more fortunate than most as I will always haggle a price down 20 to 30%, but for example Micks records are already priced 10% cheaper and more in his box? but when I read the entry to me it read in line with my reply, the copy in my collection was £40 from Kieth Minshal who wanted £60, but again sorry I did not mean to offend mate DAVE

HI ALL Thats a good bit of info Mick, as I thought it looked proper until you gave that info. I remenber getting tis and "you succeded" in the same SOUL Pack but gold issues and "just like a Yo Yo" Ruby Winters, from Contempos 73, DAVE