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So to wrap this up. I received the record today from dealer who mentioned VAT/Tax on the 45. The package was fully declared with value and postage....but no VAT charged either at point of sale or on UK entry and no Fee requested from Royal Mail. So clearly the US small business is no going to register and it seems UK Customs may assume VAT has been paid ?

Some good crossover tunes. these are the last copies so reduced to sell. Most are unplayed store stock. Payment by Paypal as F&F or add 4% if that's the way you want to go. Postage: 1.70 UK First, 3.00 Recorded, 5.00 Worldwide standard air. Special postage quoted at cost. YT clips are for reference only. PM to ask question or order please. PM with Questions and Queries . All sales guaranteed refund 100% Thanks Andy +++++++++++++++ Phillip Mitchell - Oh how I love you - Hi £15 Lovely mid tempo crossover so underrated and in its company sleeve for good measure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFim_e7_7Q Johnny Bristol - Waiting on love - Atlantic WLP £20 Such a top quality tune and a lovely white promo for the collection in its company sleeve. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-OiRHoPFQw Robert Taylor & Current Stock - Time keeps ticking by - Lu Tall £25 Lovely lilting crossover which cropped up a few years ago but has now gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_De5UGxLg Dells - All about the paper - 29th Cent Ex £12 Fabulous - Is this going to follow 'Your Song' up in value? great effort again from this group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aI7rYa-4WI Quiet Elegance - Have you been making out OK - Hi £10 Crossover meets lowrider with harmonies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA20WTcd2BQ

"Of course if items are from another source then VAT and Import tax (if applicable) will be collected at the door (I assume)" Yes, that's my point in the question. How do RM know if VAT has been paid or not if the item is coming from an individual seller with no OMP ? I think they have to assume that it is and therefore cannot squeeze us for £8 extra.

I've been doing some checking and research on line for a few days. Without boring the pants off everyone with EU rules etc, some quick background info. The UK were required to charge VAT on some goods as a prerequisite to joining the EEC in the seventies. Since then we have been part of the EU scheme and the EU has been trying to harmonize rates to ensure fair competition. The EU also saw VAT as a major source of fraud and financial irregularities. Now the UK has left they have reciprocal VAT in place to protect UK manufacturers and exporters and provide a "level playing field". The government advice on its website makes no differentiation between EU and US although the legislation is clearly aimed at trade with the EU now we have left the EU VAT Framework. So the interesting part I saw in advice from an accountancy company is that the VAT charge is payable at the point of sale. It also states that overseas businesses should register for VAT with the UK Government. For OMP's like Ebay, Amazon, Discogs etc they can easily have systems in place to collect this VAT. Ebay has for some time been collecting extra payment via their Global Shipping Program and if your seller is using this you've probably noticed extra charges already. From this there are some questions raised: 1. Will small time / individual record sellers in the US register for UK VAT if they are not using an OMP ? ( I would say no they wont.) 2. If a parcel arrives in the UK with Royal Mail, should they assume the VAT has been paid at the point of sale i.e. US ? (again I think they should assume this) 3. If RM assume VAT is paid, should they be charging a fee to get it through customs ? (again I think they may be on dodgy ground here) Any thoughts ?

$30 plus shipping at $16 would set off taxes normally as its above the 15 Pounds limit (postage is classified as part of the overall value) so this item would be regarded as a 46$ purchase. The only way round it would be to declare as a gift. However, to be honest Royal Mail don't really pursue the taxes unless its been flagged to them and to be fair they don't get flagged too often. I'll report back as its on a plane to the UK from Chicago UPS center right now.

Royal Mail have always done it here Russ. They charge 8 pounds admin fee on any collection they have to make.

I ordered something for 30$ on Thursday last week from a US record shop (not Ebay etc). The shop owner said they would be declaring value for VAT. This surprised me that an ordinary shop was so quick off the mark and up to speed. I haven't got it yet but I'm expecting the silver card from Royal Mail asking me to go to the sorting office to pay up and collect. Lets wait and see. In this case I'm not too fussed about it because the 45 was a bargain at that price.

Some cheaper but good crossover and modern tunes. Payment by Paypal as F&F or add 4% if that's the way you want to go. Postage: 1.70 UK First, 3.00 Recorded, 5.00 Worldwide standard air. Special postage quoted at cost. YT clips are for reference only. PM to ask question or order please. Grading M top quality Ex very nice disc with small signs of use VG may have surface marks and light scratches, some label issues but still a very playable disc NO gouges skips or jumps +/- to refine PM with Questions and Queries . All sales guaranteed refund 100% Thanks Andy Crown Heights Affair - Love me - Delite Ex £10 SOLD Fab mover with great vocals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7umbmBQA0mI Dells - All about the paper - 29th Cent Ex+£15 Fabulous - Is this going to follow 'Your Song' up in value...seems like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7umbmBQA0mIDells Tony Owens - you got to pay the price - Listening Post Ex+ £20 SOLD Terrific tune and cheap as chips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARlbkEKHXTY Lee'Shot' Williams - It ain't me no more - UA VG £10 Brill tune same mix as the PM release - only a VG+ copy with surface lines etc and label fade but plays well above grade loud and clear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CIF_vh7Hk The Whispers - Make it with you - Soul Train Ex £15 SOLD Dance floor killer remake of the Bread classic tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdyvOHkD14k The Invitations - they say the girls crazy - Silver Blue Ex £15 Classic from a top group The Other Brothers Organisation - Heading Up - Renaissance 76 Ex+ £12 Obscure modern boogie and Flip is nice sweet soul "ooh your kisses" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDdcELqDko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFGNjKVvrA The Final Seconds - Society / Lost on a highway- Boo Koo Ex+£12 Had a few xover spins but the flip is a nice sweet group tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nMDupMfrCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpqq-yvh3vE Ebony Rhythm Funk Campaign - Hows you wife / Oh baby - Innovation Ex+ £5 Two nice xover sides https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgOZjgTIoAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAra6zVIjAM

This is an on line calculator for the UK tax system. Might give people an idea on what charges to expect. https://www.simplyduty.com/import-calculator/ I did a couple of test calculations based on importing 1 x 45 rpm vinyl record at varying costs to the UK paying in USD. It seems no duty on 45's is payable, but it will be 20% of the record cost + shipping cost. So for example if a 45 is say 500 USD and shipping 16 USD it would be: 500 + 16 = 516 @ 20% VAT would be 103.2 USD making your actual payment 619.2 USD. Then of course if Royal Mail have to collect it from you another £8 will be payable.

Thanks for your answer which I was aware of. I was asking in relation to my statement that the small record dealers / shops will not want to register for the UK tax system - too much hassle and expense for them as a small business. One option would be to call it a gift, but the value still has to be declared. Under £39 does not attract tax if declared as a gift, so would they choose to go that way and avoid the hassle of more administration around UK taxation ?

If US Ebay sellers are part of the Global Shipping Program its easy for Ebay to collect the tax (they do already). But what if Ebay sellers are not part of the program and do their own shipping....how does that work as they can declare whatever they want ? I ordered some records from a dealer in the US last week...never mentioned VAT/Tax. But yesterday I order a 45 and got the message that VAT would be charged. The rules also say that overseas businesses will have to register for collection of the VAT charge. Are small time record dealers going to do that ? It seems there are also deviations allowed..as per Gov website (my emphasis) The new arrangements mean that import VAT will no longer be collected on consignments not exceeding £135, except for the following types of consignment, which are outside the scope of the new arrangements: non-commercial consignments, such as gifts (gift relief for consignments valued up to £39 will remain) Q: can seller can send 45 as a gift with reduced value and non VAT ? consignments containing any goods that are subject to an excise duty Q are 45's subject to a duty (I think from experience they are) so if there is does this mean they cannot tax as well ? consignments from Jersey and Guernsey that are covered by the Import VAT Accounting Scheme I'm confused and I think many US dealer will be also.

Just came across this thread and happened to have the Cavalier 45 on GUM to hand. Seems like this outfit was from New Mexico as this is where the label is based ??

They always did John. The total cost was used by HMGov and collected by Royal Mail

Hi All these 45's are from old store stock and in Mint uplayed condition, but lets be generous and call them near Mint. Hopefully there is something for everyone's tastes. Payment by Paypal as F&F or add 4% if that's the way you want to go. Postage: 1.70 UK First, 3.00 Recorded, 5.00 Worldwide standard air. Special postage quoted at cost. YT clips are for reference only. PM to ask question or order please. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Phillip Mitchell - Oh how I love you - Hi £20 Lovely mid tempo crossover so underrated and in its company sleeve for good measure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFim_e7_7Q Johnny Bristol - Waiting on love - Atlantic WLP £25 Such a top quality tune and a lovely white promo for the collection in its company sleeve. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-OiRHoPFQw Robert Taylor & Current Stock - Time keeps ticking by - Lu Tall £30 Lovely lilting crossover which cropped up a few years ago but has now gone. Saw this for twice this price recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_De5UGxLg Opus 7 - Hey big brother / the way you move me - Source WLP £25 Great crossover backed with superb group ballad. Hey Big bro getting current spins from Cliff Steele on the internet lock down sessions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbS3wHVwxRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXOoCWYOVrw

Here's a couple of Northern thumpers (or 3 if you count the flip of 'where she at' ). Z Z HILL - WHERE SHE AT / BABY I'M SORRY - KENT Ex- £25 (On JM's at £50 featured on the Kent LP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ihTPCZa4Zs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y0u7Wo_Jlo Z Z HILL - AINT TO PROUD TO BEG - AUDREY Ex- £15 (On JM's at £25 great rendition of the Motown classic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZkRhsdi6s 'TWOFER' OFFER £35 FOR BOTH YT sound files for ref only Strict Grading M, Ex, VG used Post is 1.70 first, 3.00 signed for and 5.00 world wide. (would recommend signed for at this time of year) Paypal as F&F please or add 4% if you want to use this route. PM's for questions / to order. ATB

Here's great Teddy Randazzo big production effort from Ritchie Adams of 'I can't escape from you' fame on Congress. RITCHIE ADAMS - BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU - MGM NM £25 YT sound file for ref only : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesioq4xh1o Post is 1.70 first, 3.00 signed for and 5.00 world wide. (would recommend signed for at this time of year) Paypal as F&F please or add 4% if you want to use this route. PM's for questions / to order. ATB Andy

Dean Parrish £865....have I just sleep walked into some twilight zone. Surely someone will kick me soon and I'll wake up.

I have essentially stopped listening to Mixcloud shows, since they tried to rinse me for a monthly payment to listen to something I'd been listening to for years. There were only really certain shows that I was interested in anyway. If certain people are now asking for a fee to listen to one or more of their shows, then what is their value proposition ? Are they playing music from their record collection, in which case they need to be playing something special and not the 'same old' as most shows are. There are probably very few collectors/DJ's who are popular enough and have the right material for the soul scene that could do this. The internet has created a space for people to people to play their collections anyway via the lock down all dayers etc. If they are creating music and uploading it as an artist then that could be a different case all together. If you like their output then you may wish to support it. It seems the way of the world that if something is popular then monetisation becomes the way forward with ever more creative ways of relieving money from punters.

Here we have some nice northern soul tunes. All clips below are for reference only. PM to order or any questions. Gradings NM, Ex, VG as usual. 1. Ben E King - Teeny Weeny Little bit - Atco Ex+ £30 ( one of his lesser known but top quality tunes - his best ? ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqtgy-jwdBE 2. Syl Johnson - Try Me - Twighlight VG+ £12 Pounding northern tune. Had to grade this VG+ as there is a thin light scuff that goes half way round the 45 - very strange but does not affect the play in an otherwise nice copy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNxlmRQ7QzI 3. Howard Tate - half a man - Verve Ex £10 (great mid tempo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEywkkMlx1w&list=RDjEywkkMlx1w&start_radio=1 PM with questions or to order Post 1.70 First 3.00 recorded, 5.00 world wide Paypal as F&F please or add 4%. ATB Andy Andy

Here's great always in demand Modern tune in lovely NM condition. Alicia Myers - I wanna thank you - MCA NM £30 Post is 1.70 first, 3.00 signed for and 5.00 world wide. (would recommend signed for at this time of year) Paypal as F&F please or add 4% if you want to use this route. PM's for questions / to order. ATB Andy

Here we have some lovely group sweet soul tunes. All clips below are for reference only. PM to order or any questions. Can do it as a Pack of 4 also (see below) Gradings NM, Ex, VG as usual. 1. The Final Seconds - Lost on a highway - Boo Koo Ex+ £15 (flip had some spins as crossover) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7B1KfxXrgI 2. The Moments - So this is goodbye - Stang Ex- £10 (this has to be their best - stunning tune) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msejO3l05vE 3. The Other Brothers Organisation - Ooh your kisses - Renaissance 76 Ex+ £15 (obscure flip of a boogie tune) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFGNjKVvrA 4. King Solomon's Advisors - Back of mind - Ghetto Ex- £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta2YTWRd ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** If your interested in all 4 as a pack £50 including postage to UK** ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Post per 45 is 1.70 first, 3.00 signed for and 5.00 world wide. (would recommend signed for at this time of year). Paypal as F&F please or add 4% if you want to use this route. PM's for questions / to order. ATB Andy

Looks like a nice piece of kit.

Here's great always in demand Crossover tune in lovely Ex condition (strict grading) Bobby Womack - Across 110th Street - UA £25 Post is 1.70 first, 3.00 signed for and 5.00 world wide. (would recommend signed for at this time of year) Paypal as F&F please or add 4% if you want to use this route. PM's for questions / to order. ATB Andy

Yes most of the records we buy and play are in mono, so someone recommended it to me. Got mine off Ebay for about 70 quid. One draw back is on my NAD there is no bass adjustment so if the recording quality of the record is "dull" there can be a bit of distortion at higher volumes.

I did the same as Alan and went with the Reloop around 3 years ago. No problems with it at all so far. Added Wharfdale bookcase speakers and bought a older NAD 3120 amp that has the mono function.