Agentsmith

good morning!,.....yes, its loud isnt it?.......thats why it woke you up......i thought you were a commission -free advertising agency for barrow - in - furness?

I EXPECT P.S. WILL HAVE HIS SAY ABOUT THIS....I EXPECT FIREWORKS!

BUT YOU'RE NOT SICK TO DEATH OF CHAPTER 5........ARE YOU?...A-HA!....YOU'VE FINALLY WOKEN UP THEN?!!

1965 - imperial 66139 - double A-side with "my love grows deeper" valuation: varies between £100 - 150 or depends who has one at rockbottom so could get it for as little as £70 - 80....very atmospheric, very phil spector / goose bump record,personally i love it but have always felt that she was singing at the other end of the room and her vocal gets somewhat lost.

of course it was known to the general public, goes without saying. ken bought it in 97 or thereabouts, some 22 years before it was played, but from my experience it was not known ( or should i say - played - respect to ian ) prior to 75, so if anyone out there can prove otherwise, then i stand to be corrected, but anyone would have to consider this: if any collector was remotely interested in filling in the blanks in the motown catalogue, in other words the obscure, uninteresting releases that only warranted a limited run, said collectors would have come across frank wilson a lot sooner, even given its supreme rareity.........but any chance of that being reality disappeared when soussan got his hands on it.. as for chris clark, yes, this didnt turn up until after frank wilson and i distinctly remember purchasing a white label copy of this cut from mick smith circa 85 although this was probably a few years after its discovery and introduction at TOTW....again if that was played anywhere else sooner then i will be pleased to be corrected. any mobile disco or club dj would be playing a boot of FW, MID 70'S....no doubt about that....until the uk release.

SORRY.............WHAT DJ? REMEMBER....no-one knew it was frank wilson beacuse it was covered up and as a result, was booted as eddie foster...no-one even knew it was a motown record, other than the people ( a small clientel) who posessed the original copy...SO, ANYONE PLAYING IT IN 78 was playing a boot until 79 and its legitimate uk release, when it was then known to all and sundry as being frank wilson... THEN ANY MOTHER AND HER SON COULD CLAIM TO PLAY IT....AND JUST FOR THE RECORD......rumour and baby were both played in 72/73 from mfp lps BEFORE their release by uk motown,...A GOOD 2 YEARS BEFORE FRANK WILSON.

ERN, be ye not embarrased mate, just ring..a call will be greatly appreciated...chez rona accepts all soulful credit!

im with chalky on this one, the bones of this thread were picked clean by the vultures a long time ago. there are ONLY TWO COPIES OF SAID RECORD....FACE THE TRUTH and thats not said in oneupmanship fashion either...ITS FACT. YES it was booted and legitimately released in the mid/late 70's, dependant on which item you bought in chronological order...boot 1st - tmg 2nd. you can take whatever analytical view you like about what was paid for this record, be it 97 or 2009, but it set a precedent for record collecting on the northern scene...it wasnt responsible for hyping the value of millions of other records at the same time, the fact is a lot of other northern soul tunes were expensive then....and still are now, infact some have greatly increased in value as the collectors and connoisuers have established without doubt that certain items definitely exist in only small quantities, even single figures. SO...do i love you stands on its merits as an obscenely rare artifact, wether you like the record itself or not...if it were an antique it would be housed in a museum, such is its value....but its not, AND RIGHTLY IT GOT PLAYED ON THE NORTHERN SCENE ALONGSIDE EVERY OTHER RECORD WE CHERISH, BECAUSE IT HAS THAT SOUND AND BEAT INSTANTLY RECOGNISABLE TO EVERY FAN OF NORTHERN SOUL MUSIC....IN THE 70'S WE ALL DANCED TO IT WITH NO INHIBITIONS....35 YEARS AGO WE DIDNT HAVE SOULSOURCE TO BICKER AND ARGUE ABOUT SUCH TRIVIAL THINGS AS RAREITY OR PEOPLE PAYING ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR RECORDS.....WE WERE ON THE SCENE FOR ONE UNIVERSAL REASON....BECAUSE WE LOVED THE MUSIC AND JUST WANTED TO DANCE. it dosnt matter who wants to add such a record to their portfolio, if they want it because they love it so much, then so be it...ITS NOT " OH WOW!...LOOK WHAT IVE GOT, AREN'T YOU ALL SO JEALOUS?" its easy to forget, but even frank wilson dosnt own a copy, yet frank is without doubt, one of motowns greatest assets from a songwriting point of view, many, many hit songs from the late 60's through the early 70's, his is a tremendous repetoire eclipsed only by HDH and in 1965 he created an anthem that has driven our scene, yet he knew so little about it but has been credited since by us with delivering a truely iconic dance record. its quite obvious that an awful lot of you find it really sticks in your craw just at the mention and someone else will light the touchpaper long after weve all shuffled off our mortal coil, so why get the knives out for this record anyway?. at the end of the day, the basic instinct is to get up and dance and in the case of this record, its danceability remains undiminished.... INTERESTING POINT:....EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE GRIPER ON THIS THREAD?

BARRY ST JOHN - PAULA PARFITT - CHRISTINE QUAITE - ELKIE BROOKS - SANDIE SHAW - FRANKIE & JOHNNIE

DONT BELIEVE WE HAVENT HEARD FROM THE DUBLINER YET............WAKEY, WAKEY!!!! MR. CHAPTER 5 LOVER!!!.....YOUR FAVOURITE BAND HAS GOT A MENTION...... YET AGAIN!! :yes:

WOW!....four pages of threads....this is a hot potato isnt it? or should i say...CAKE because there appears to be a lot of it flying about. i seem to recall a certain french madame by the name of antoinette having a lot to say about cake....SHE GOT THE CHOP!!....VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!.

ive been aware of this prog from day one as it replaced richard's show, although i hadn't heard of dave brown before and, as a result, i haven't listened to his show despite having crystal clear sound here in telford...i guess i took it for granted that it would be purely commercial....same as many other stations. lets face facts here...richard's show was groundbreaking in many musical aspects, so anything else that comes along in my books, is going to struggle to replicate the originality of soul source. still....and with respect to mr.brown any homage to the music we love is better than nothing and as has been revealed here, he is a proven soulie so keep supporting him, my northern friends and even i'll lend an ear before setting off anywhere on the weekend. rob.h:thumbsup:

dont know about funny.......its FUNNY, INTELLECTUALLY TONGUE TWISTING AND STICK THE KNIFE IN - SARCASTICALLY BRILLIANT!!

right on ken!....oh,....and who put the music on?

ha!, mick makes a habit of posessing records that dont exist....springs to mind...the ivories "please stay" and walter wilson "love keeps me cryin" both on wand but never released:yes:

this is a familiar thread.....its not the 70's....when you accepted who the dj's were and who the promotors were because thats how the scene was....its not the 80's...when the scene fragmented in the wake of wigan's demise and whole swathes of people drifted away to adulthood and marriage and the up and coming dj's just about kept things going at smaller, thinly spread venues....its not the 90's,...the renaissence decade when many finally returned to the scene with renewed vigour as punters looking for a good time and long lost memories, and as a result more venues started up to cope with the demand....no....its the new millenium and the last ten years have been about long serving punters who also had the record collections stored away, deciding they wanted to have a go at djing and promoting....and as a result we have a calender now that no-one could have envisaged in the past 3 decades....just too much to go to, in this day and age, being spoilt is an understatement. all and sundry believe their gig is the business....you cant blame them for that, as for heads getting together....sorry,....too far down the line to stop this runaway train. if the scene's going through a trough, its hardly noticeable...when wigan shut, the end of the world was nigh, because it was the casino...or nothing.venues open and close in the blink of an eye now and they are still increasing...i go goggle-eyed looking at the ss events guide. are you or i going to tell a person not to want to be a dj or promotor because there are too many of them out there now?. no one has a god given right to even suggest, let alone think it. the major promotors have moved into the weekender market in an effort to up the ante,bargaining that punters will find it more to their taste, being able to get away at a seaside resort for a reasonable price with a top line-up of djs and being able to pop in and out at their leisure. if anything could be concieved as a threat to the myriad of soul nights/nighters you would think the weekender would be the tipping point.....but it isnt.....because life still goes on and there are still just as many gigs. square one then....a good many on here....debateing this are the very same people who pronounced...fook it i can do this...i want to be a dj and then ill be a promotor as well! and we're all clashing with each other and annoying the fook out of every one and.... BUGGER ME, THERE'S EVEN MORE PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE A GO!. vicious circle or what? and we contributed to it in the first place so, are we all prepared to share the blame for what we started? exactly how far do you want this debate to go when its already at a dead end?

adey lad, know youre extremely busy, but could i ask, do you think there is a possibility there will be a topper vol.4?, incidentally, on the subject of little anne, do you think the last alternate take of what should i do on vol.3, is in your opinion a great finished article....i think you must have gone to a great deal of trouble to fine tune and perfect such a polished production that sounds like it could have been recorded yesterday. and to echo a tiresome question,im sure you have reflected on many times, but will we ever see the day and rejoice at the release of the LEGENDARY nancy wilcox tracks? rob.h

definitely a scene....stands to reason, when the gordy conglomerate of labels were originally being harvested by the pioneering british traveller/collector, they were also picking up other associated detroit labels, but the thirst for more and the quest for more lead them to explore the boundless possibilities and the resultant riches in other major cities such as; chicago, los angeles, philadelphia, new orleans, miami to name but a few. its literally unthinkable that the scene could have nurtured, endured and lasted as long just based on the gordy output...as the saying goes.." man cannot live by bread alone", so, logically theorizing, if motown were the loaf, then the myriad of failed cast-offs were the crumbs that fell off the crust such as; okeh, mirwood, renfro, columbia, bell, amy, mala, buddah, arctic, gamble, big top, sureshot, duke, diamond, constellation, musicor etc. you could go on infinitely,but,.....at the same time would the scene beTHE SAME without motown? :yes: whilst its accepted how big a part atlantic/stax/chess played in the developement and acceptance of afro-american ryhthm and blues across the racial divide, its generally acknowledged that motown was the catalyst, the fuse that ignited the imagination of the 60's young generations......lets face it here......its whats in the grooves that counts and when you talk about detroit, they still are the deadliest - set the walls and dancefloors on fire - grooves any person on the face of this planet could be inspired by!!

DEFFO NOT 48, NEXT DAY BEFORE 1PM

EMIT LONG - CALL ME JIMMY WALLACE - I'LL BE BACK MAMIE LEE - I CAN FEEL HIM SLIPPING AWAY

aye up sheldon lad, sorry to go off topic, but i just noticed your "ICON"......ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVOKE WEBBY???!

hi bro, great pics in the gallery, and im sure many more will appear over the coming days......what can anyone who was there say?, an emotive occasion?......the circle is now complete...its taken 36 years but the task of remembrance is now finished....a solid acknowledgement from the city itself to the heritage it has warmly recognised. wolverhampton was a hotbed of northern soul wayback and this is a seal of approval, something for all people to see, lovers of soul music or not....a statement that on this site, something very special occured. lovely to see so many turn up to appreciate this significant moment and, all being well, the express and star should print a fitting tribute tomorrow (12/7/2010), so get yourselves a wolverhampton edition or, alternatively, download it from their website!.

when the aqua at hednesford " finished" the first time, little scotty played......ramsey lewis - wade in the water....CUMMMMMMMMM ONNNNNNNNN!!! NEVER FORGET TRENTHAM, a night, for which i compiled the entire main room playlist and neil rushton closed with "just say goodbye" - esther phillips....WOW! what a tear jerker that was. the wonderful lea manor all-nighter finished with al wilson's " ive got a feeling".....and the tears flowed there as well, 7 years of sublime tunes and countless hours of informative education about real soul music, thanks again, to tate, lynne & martin. note: you can still see the entire playlists for trentham and lea manor on mr. rimmer's SOULFULKINDAMUSIC website

correct chalks, my copy is opposite monotone ( black with 2 white vertical bars) you got what it takes came out on london american in 59

living in shropshire and having to travel, tells you a lot about this county, which is naturally very rural....you can count on two hands the major towns and although not the size of scotland its disadvantages are profoundly identicle. id have to agree with most here about the m62 corridoor and the notts/derby conglomerate, but as is the legend...northern soul began north of watford gap and the north mids/north west have always been the heartlands. the west mids has, up to a point, been a hive of activity...one thing is certain though, most of the dialects and their tribes tend to congregate in their own areas and a large proportion of people still dont travel great distances...this is probably the difference where the north is concerned, with a whole swathe of this area so densely populated and so many great venues, there simply is no need to put in the mileage/hours to get to hear the sounds that people want. because the heritage of northern soul is build on the history of pioneering clubs like the twisted wheel, va-va's, the pendulum, kieghthly okeh club, blue orchid, dungeon, samantha's, the golden torch, top rank hanley, blackpool mecca and of course, wigan casino,....aint no way the rest of the country could compete anyway. london and birmingham have taken a long time to grasp the nettle and if you had to put them in a league table, the latter still drags a long way behind the 100 club alone. wolverhampton had the catacombs and later stafford placed the top of the world amongst the elite ranks, but i feel even now a large proportion of the country is still marginalised,....every county of course, has some great gigs but you can draw a line on a map book across the centre of the country and virtually every town north of the line has something going on regularly and at several venues. northern soul of course, is universally accepted but in reality, the centre of the universe is.....the north of england.