Pete S

I'd have said less than £100, more like £75 - £80 but what do I know... hardly a rarity. Stock copy, easy £200

Isn't this freebasing? Sorry, it's in all about the soul, I apologise to everyone concerned.

Jolly good

Well it does.

LOL I will use that one myself

I tell you what would make a fantastic instrumental - Our Love Is In The Pocket (Darrell Banks / JJ Barnes) I mean you can't top the vocal versions but it would be briliant to hear; that one on Kool Kat is about the closest I've heard to one.

That is a terrible wig she's wearing, when she does Special Agent later in the program the wig slips

It was linked to the conversation of how many records would be pressed during a run of bootlegs. Thanks to you and your likers for your brilliant contributions to thread anyway. Where there any?

That's a great version on Stateside, it's the one taken from the This Is Ska film, very hard to find and more punchy than the Island one.

What about the punters, the people who've come to dance, they'll vote with their feet so your anger is pointless if they like the previous blokes choices.

Ah but there is one rare one on Black Magic unavailable elsewhere - instrumental of Sweet Darlin!

It's interesting and you never know where a bit of knowledge could come in useful.

No...

Fortunaterly a lot of these audio tapes are available from fans sites to download nowadays. I saw 13 shows on the Glass Spider tour (all but one were rubbish!) and I recorded every show, but as I say, the ex wife got all the Bowie stuff.

Not sure if he did the Rich Kids but he kept putting out dodgy 45's like the one you quote above (Justifiable Homicide) and the Ex Pistols, I think he did the Cash Pussies record as well with the voice of Sid Vicious on it. He put out a brilliant dvd about 5/6 years back, no Pistols music but fantastic behind the scenes stuff. He died a couple of years ago.

First press of Spunk is rare, you probably know this but they were actually done by Dave Goodman who produced the sessions, he put it out before NMTB was released.

Yeah it was a worldwide network back then, if you managed to get a tape no-one else had you could get fantastic trades, I remember someone giving me his own recording of Bowie as Ziggy at the Top Rank in Hanley 1973, I got about £500 worth of vinyl trades for a cassette, I also used to have a mate who would copy things from the BBC vaults, most have now been reshown but I had a lot of TOTP which still hasn't been rebroadcast - I lent those out and never got them back.

Was it Swinging Pig? Those were European, I think they were Scandinavian.

Things like No Future UK and Wembley Wizard were actually pressed by the BPI, No Future UK was originally called Spunk, Wembley Wizard was originally called Don't Touch That Dial and was a Japanese bootleg, I did have that but it is ultra rare as opposed to the Wizard one. I've only ever seen that one copy in the flesh. I'd have thought they must have pressed at least 1000 of those each (No Future & Wembley)

This is a second family so it's a second chance for me...

We did mainly 45's, Shadowman EP, Thats A Promise 45, several Italian colour vinyl ones came from us, I used to have the most fantastic sources back then, never manufactured anything as never had the money but was able to supply loads of first generation tapes. I am going back a long time now though, peaked around 1986 I'd say. I used to run a Bowie magazine just dealing with the underground stuff, someone lent me a full set recently and I can't believe what I knew and what I had back then. My ex wife got everything.

Just to expand upon this. Back in the old days, if someone had an original it would be admired, but if I'd got the same record as a bootleg, I wouldn't have the p*sss ripped out of me or told I couldn't play it. If I went somewhere today with a box of pressings, I'd be shunned by the collectors of original records, not because of who I am, but because of what I'm carrying...yet if I had them all on original, I'd be invited to chat and become a member of the top people's club. I don't like this elitism and never have. Outasite records - I've had nost of those on original, I sold the original and now have Outasite copies, so what? Does that make me inferior to everyone else now?

What I'm trying to say is, you say we should be going out here there and everywhere - I've done all that, I did it from the age of 15 upwards, I'm approaching my 54th birthday and I don't want to go out all night, listen to loud music and take drugs, I want to play with my kids, watch Match Of The Day and drink beer! It's a young man's game. I don't mean to insult anyone by saying they should grow up but seriously, 50+ years old people taking speed on a weekly basis, come on...

OK well I can tell you from 1st hand experience that - and I'm talking vinyl here not cd's - up until the cd age, Bowie vinyl bootlegs were done in quantities of 100 to 1000 on a first run, then they would be done as and when required. The majority had runs of less than 500 copies. I supplied tapes for at least half a dozen and none were done in quantities of more than 500. I even sat and hand numbered certain ones!

It's so they can look down on the little people...