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Both Pat & Pam and the Lovelites 'I love you yes I do' use the same backing track. Although their mixes are utterly treated differently for altogether another ambiance or 'movie scenery'. As for what's the connection between the release of the Lovelites (commercially only on their LP though...) and Pat & Pam who knows, the composer's name C.B. Allen could be a clue... The Lovelites 'how can I tell my mum and dad' was issued in September 1969. If the acetate is prior this means it was recorded around the same time... Before the LP that was in 1970 ! On the LP the credited composers are C.B. Allen & Johnny Cameron. On the Pat & Pam 45 whose date of release is unknown only C.B. Allen. 45cat. gives 1971 but who gave that date ? Why ? The name C.B. Allen for sole composer also appears on 3 other tracks of the Lovelites LP and also appears for the last Lock 45 release by The Spoilers 'the spoilers rap' produced by J.C. ! If Pat & Pam was first then J.C. added his name out of vanity on the Lovelites LP. Or if Pat & Pam came after likely C.B. Allen made it a vanity revenge thing and intentionally erase J.C.'s name. FWIW the Lovelites non 45 issued 'a certain kind of lover' also uses Diane Cunningham backing track but once again with a serious remix job making it barely recognizable without comparison. As for Cindy and the Playmates utter sublime 'portrait' and the average (IMO LOL but 4real) Eight Minutes 'I love you', Jim Porter and his labels Jay-Pee, Perception and Today is the connection.

OK, so that makes both 45cat & discogs discographies seemingly correct to this point leaving only the Lorraine Randolph 45 on Gemini star a ? mark. I've just replayed the Jetstream next to the Gemini star 45's and the vocal has indeed a lot in common. Just as it was pointed out on 'sirshambling's site. It's already rather intriguing just by the little name difference, now with a plausible release date in October 1968 to fit in a rather sparce discography...

No mention of her discography over the phone by any chance Paul ? As 'Kenb' reminded us rightfully with the wonderful site 'sirshambling' that her discography is not that clear nor definite FWIW... As is she the sole 45 lady on Jetstream ? Or did she record before as Lorraine Randolph on Gemini Star and even earlier as Lorri Rudolph on Tri-Phi or Loe & Joe on Harvey ? This with the aim to try and correct once an for all of her rather "different" discographies... In a way this could be a nice tribute to pay while adding the passing of her there too.

... keep coming back for more Lori ... R.I.P. +

Well well well Russ, are you telling us that you're the proud owner of that acetate then ? 😉 Long ago played the LP in a shop and got so disappointed by that 'I love you (yes I do)' only LP track that without much of trouble I simply put back in the sales racks. Not much regret still. Even to this day as to my ears it's only a lovely tune without much vocal effort like Patti got us accustom to... I even enjoy better the 'hey stars of tomorrow' (sing along side) for flip. A guilty secret home spin of mine... None the less a very nice'N'rare piece of Patti and her Lovelites.

Initially with the very first pressing on Alteen 'where did he came from' is the 'A' side. Then on the 4 following Alteen variant pressings as on the Chess release 'I ain't got no problems' (that was the instant 'HIT' radio's pick) got promoted as the 'A' side. It became a local hit record. A low rider side ? Yes certainly ! Yet I believe that demand for it at such high prices lately, like now, compare to even a year ago comes from outside the usa. Like 'jumpers on the bandwagon'... If not rare (the Chess are rarer & even rarer not mint 😛) clean Atlteen copies are scarce.

My belief tells me that with the "northern soul" revival from years ago the 'get it off from my conscience' TOP 500 (is it ? 🐵) first took interest amongst the deep pockets returnees for whom a record below £100 is not of interest. If some dealers had the good idea to put it at £100 then it would become noticeable and/or enviable... Lovelites fan from my prime (not completist mind you) I never got my head around that 'git it off' side. Like many BIG northern sounds, not really soulful FWIW, aiming mostly for the dance floors. Evidently I got to realise to sometimes prefer the soul sides to the jocks sides and always flipped my records. And here the flip 'what a day' is WOW ! Could it be that ? An old £15 or about record on list in the nineties. Even cheaper before. Priced because it was played in the UK, then issued on Grapevine and the american copies not as plenty about as their other releases. Northern soul 'the return of the ugly' first shot @£100. Funky sweet floater's 'late arrival' second shot @£200 ?

What record of Patti + Lovelites ?

No rambling on my behalf. You words were not of peace. Your side to the story behind that record revealing it all for the OP and the rest of the world or at least the few of us on here remains untold... Common 😃

WOW heard it and gave my opinion. Can that count for "knowing" it ? And I stick to my opinion as to what it is. Is that what you call garbage or you just use social media to unleash your frustration and be rude to people ? Educate and tell us what's the story behind that record and how much is it selling for. Researches were done.

The full-on sound clip of both sides will reveal short but few 'hisses' on both sides. Otherwise the record surface bares scuffs that do not affect play (NAP). Now £600 price revised FREE REGISTERED SHIPPING ALL OVER THE WORLD. Grading through M - EX - VG - G... PM me to inquire people choice promo.mp3

Mis presses can be rare. Yet I doubt many are worth much in collector's circles. The one just like yours that sold on the eVilBay with 1 very suspicious bid at the starting price of £350 is "fishy". Even more so when the "right" presses on the Nite Owl label sold accordingly for what it is under £20. It's not even a "soul" record. Maybe a 'meh' R'n'B-rocker-jerker of some sort... Or if ever there's a new 'trend' amongst collector with deep pockets I might pull out my Johnny Sayles promo on Mar-V-lus mis press playing Gene Chandler for a good profit 😛

Shazam ? 😉

This was apparently what the traineys at the pressing plant were given to work on. Taking a spare printed label floating around and any template to press on a record with. One would expect that such items would be destroyed but my guess is that some took them test pressings home and they found their ways in record stalls decades later. FWIW from that same pressing plant of yours I have a labeled promo of Johnny Sayles 'don't turn your back on me' on Mar-V-Lus playing Gene Chandler 'think nothing about it'...

The full-on sound clip of both sides will reveal short but few 'hisses' on both sides. Otherwise the record surface bares scuffs that do not affect play (NAP). £800 FREE REGISTERED SHIPPING ALL OVER THE WORLD. Grading through M - EX - VG - G... PM me to inquire people choice promo.mp3

No. Not even rare enough even as a stocker to command a higher price if ever for that reason IME.

On the fantastic UK comp United Artists LP 'Sold on Soul'. Memories here too when first bought. Her best tune IMHO. But that doesn't suffer the stigma of the 'TOP 500' northern soul (what ?). Also that isn't rare enough to be pushed by "regular" dee-jays maybe. Still a 'classic here' home. Roots ! If the stockers should prove rarer (that it is) there are at least 5 American pressing plants involved as well...

Need to be very neat looking and clean playing copy as it's for an upgrade. PM me if ever.

Hmm... Freddie Chavez I always loved. The 6 sides of his 3 Look 45's even. Although none equally. Joey Delorenzo I never liked. Influenced by Freddie Chavez !? I never thought to hear it that way... There are similarities in 'sound'. True... But that's all I hear in common between these two artists.

To be honest both tutorials wouldn't help me much if I wouldn't know better the differences. Although that may be just I who couldn't learn much at school either 😉 The vinyl material is denser, softer (= more flexible) and have molded labels. The styrene material is lighter, stiffer (= breakable) and have stuck-on labels. Vinyl is often favored by dee-jay as they can back-cue more carelessly. It is also believe that styrene records are more fragile but... actually not in my experience. Although when a styrene groove is worn it can hisses, distort in the high frequencies and sound painful. True ! If dee-jays back-cue with a styrene copy and without a conical stylus (every dee-jay should know better) they will damage the groove irremediably (cue-burn). The styrene groove is also more prone to bad needle wear than vinyl since the material is stiffer where vinyl is softer. All of that gave styrene a bad 'reputation' amongst dee-jays. As some records where pressed on both materials some prefer to go for vinyl anytime they can. Where I have always compared the masterings and where my preference went with the ability of the materials to deliver respectively. A well mastered and pressed styrene record will have more depth and a wider sound stage in the frequency spectrum. Where a vinyl can't achieve such specifications. Although depending on the tunes vinyl can sound more appropriate for exactly the opposite reasons IMO.

First Atlantic 45 with the 2 letters extension after the matrix numbering. Record release dating from November 1966 : Solomon Burke's 'Presents For Christmas'. No MO pressings though for this release apparently. Corrected by 'Blackpoolsoul' here with pic below !

The discogs "reference catalogue" is open source's created. Hence why you have many pressing entries missing or doubles or more at times... Yet lately to create a new entry the whole process has become rather lengthy, complicated some and not even guarantee to be edited in the end if ever. Rather discourageing IME. This was initially aiming to address such "multiple entries" issue. But now if a seller has either a promo or stocker SP pressing of Barbara Lewis and doesn't create a new entry for it, he will probably list it for sale under another pressing banner misleading the buyer. Had that few times. On 45cat.com they show all the 'remember feeling' stockers.

SP & PL (my bad & not PS !), two of the most used pressing plants by the Atlantic/Atco group. SP for 'SPeciality' and PL for 'PLastic'. There's also a MO styrene pressing but it's rarer IMHE. MO for 'MOnarch' evidently. But I've never found those MO Altantic/Atco masterings that good. It's only from late 1966 or about that they will give those pressing plant letters extension on the labels. Left to Right ; SP, PL & MO

The American 45 Atlantic SP pressings of this are fine. The PL pressings on the other hand all have a loud very annoying continuous 'hiss' that I believe is due to the use of a poor vinyl base and/or maybe a not so strong mastering job with it. The american Atlantic/Atco masterings were at times just fantastic (even better than first local releases at times when there were) and at other times just bad. As if they were not always done by the same people with the same quality control...

Ahmad Hamilton Edward's son own words on 'willing mind' right after his dad passing ; his greatest song ! How true is that for a fact I couldn't say as it can only be subjective. But none the less the lyrics are there : deep, conscious and sensitive as is the composition and the musical arrangements. All that at a slow pace. And that alone is rare for Edward. This copy is in EX condition. The label on 'willing mind' mostly have suffered some faint humidity staining and tearing like many copies have but it looks better than the scan reveals it. Flip it for the classic finger snapper dancer 'my darling baby'. Scans an sound clip of both sides taken from the actual copy for sale. £250 FREE SHIPPING ALL OVER THE WORLD. ADD £6 TO HAVE IT REGISTERED. Grading through M - EX - VG - G... PM me to inquire willing mind.mp3