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Thanks that's fantastic info. Have just completed that on 45cat. Will do it on discogs later. This means that the Atac release distributed by R.P.R. came out last likely as I first deduced. The local Atac with the best version of 'I'll be around' still has no definitive release date given. As it might be a prior release to the Mala... But with the very different mix of 'I'll be around' likely not. FWIW the Mala copies have the strongest mastering for 'like my baby'. With more depth and 'Oomph !' The local Atac has the best take and mastering with the long guitar chicken 'picking' intro for 'I'll be around '.

With only the Mala release with a definitive release date at November 1968 the other releases variations leave us to only guess what happened there, then and when... The Washpan trio singles dating 1968 seem most plausible. If so they likely predate the 'Ill be around' Mala venture deal. Likely a tune that Gino had much hope for... Only judging by the 'few' number of stock Mala copies flying around of 'I'll be around' and their great condition it did not "HIT" as Gino would/could have expected. Would Gino then have gotten back into the studio to re-mix 'I'll be around' (much rawer than the Mala) and release it on his Atac label somewhere in the year 1969 ? Then re-releasing 'what can a man do' as a 'B' side on his following Atac label release with 'doing the pop-corn'. That got picked up by the R.P.R distribution group. After that little success (judging by the number of worn copies flying around) they decide to give another shot at 'Ill be around' (shortened "chicken' picking guitar intro). That last attempt at charting with 'I'll be around' seem to have suffer the same misfortune faith as the first Mala release judging by the number of copies flying around. The discographies to be find are chaotic or not coherent. Love Gino, crave 'I'll be around' and so I wanted to sort this one out if ever someone had some better insight...

Fitting the gold print on mauve labels before the switch to the white Okeh logo marking the CBS joint venture...

OH YES, please show us those earlier ones if you please can

Yop I agree as well. My initial preference for the Esquires have never made me pay more attention to it. But now that you made me lean my ears into it again I must admit it to sound rather like Deon Jackson than Mr. Munro...

That maybe true and to my understanding more likely right. Although on 'bigboppa's site (source I have found out to be not always correctly informing) it indicates blue Motown sleeves from 1961... Then the reds without a starting date for those. Up to 1964 for the switch for the black on white 'Hitsville U.S.A.' right after. That seems short lived for so many of those red ones (with variations) floating around...

Yev these, like the Blue Beat company sleeves have always been tough to come by as they were dressing up their 45's only for a very short time. Unlike the Pama's for example.

That could very well be... 🙃

Like many (not all I know) of you, I've alway gathered them company sleeves everywhere I went to fit my own records in. Anytime I could that is. Even gave many to friends who proposed me money that which I've always refused. Because every good record deserves a proper company sleeve if it ever got one ! And my friend's records are my record's friend... What ever that means ; stop no none-sense (I am Belgian as well) 😜 Before the internet I was happy fitting them like I preferred them. For eye match comfort. Not necessary with the contemporary one. I've had the opportunity to venture into new old stock warehouses and have seen many records with their 'proper' company sleeves and now thanks to 'bigboppa' (RIP) site we can all even adjust better the contemporary match. If ever that is ! A most vital site that is hopefully now revived. Alleluia ! Those good old days of crate digging are now long gone... The opportunity to meet those company sleeves on records in the record sales box is getting rarer and rarer. The company sleeve monkey business has gone from the rare trading 'connoisseur' community (a bit like the football/base ball card community) to the regular dealer with stacks of company sleeves for sale from $1 up to... Weak I just bought my first one : American Arts. A nice company sleeve only looks 'tops' with the record in. It's a combination. For example I love my majors like Uni (looks smashing IMO) even though it's a common 'POP' major company with only few soul releases. But they are great and look the bizz to me. Bringing found memories of my early crate digging days and musical discoveries. The rarer doesn't mean the better once again. Not so common (early blue !) yet classic I love ...

... You won't fool us Robb 🧐, this UK company sleeve is not aiming to dress an American record 😉

Beautiful Monarch pressing in wonderful condition in every sense of it. A collector's piece on it's own. Only letting go as a "spare". The scans and sound clips of both sides are from the actual record for sale. jack montgomery baby take a chance.mp3 £200 FREE SHIPPING ALL OVER THE WORLD. ADD £6 TO HAVE IT REGISTERED. Grading through M - EX - VG - G... PM me to inquire

Buddy & Stacey ‎'angel' on Twirl - Much much better IMO ! FWIW John Parker 'a big mistake' is my play side 😉

Yes, June 1966 (July on 45cat.com) for the Modern release. Now one would need to have authentification confirmation on the actual existence of this most odd looking Holiday Inn copy vinyl or only image. We're late on this thread but still could we know who was the initial source of this 'image' ? Jbs's own or borrowed ... The old tipping machine typo have weird "clouds" behind the lettering ; digital paint brush job ?

Would this Holiday Inn 'complimentary' advance copy' freebee be post the Modern release ? As the Bihari Brothers (Jules, Joe, Lester and Saul) were the actual founders of Modern Records. The Modern release would also rather indicates that with the BMI - Modern music - Pub. Co. ! Odd a little that the Holiday Inn record discography halts in 1963 to resurect in April 1968. This is likely super rare as it would have been a small run given away at one promotional gig...

And is it the same take as the Modern release ?

Or was that only Richard pseudo for his cover-up of 'what can I do' ?

That's the realistic whereabout value for this record I am now incline to believe. Thanks guys. Even if JM might double that if auctioned... But that's not my "sport". All respect due to the man evidently 😉 On the East and West coast (or different pressing plants) and label variations on the title alignement I am yet to see that. I've seen many variants (from different pressing plants) on some RCA's but not this one !

Thanks for your input. Much appreciated. Although I have to disagree on the "northern soul" 'appeal' of it. Have that record for 35 years now and it's always been regarded as that since day one for me. Mind you I am only 51 years young and not British so what do I know ? 😉 While I agree that it takes legs full of energy to keep up with the pace of the tune, making it not a 'IN' records by today's flow, it still is 'northern soul' IMO. Indeed if someone would need such a clean copy of a record that is almost common on demo it would need to be a completist RCA stocker collector. Not a 'dee-jay' really nor a collector like me who collect sometimes promo and other times stockers only for the visual preference or the double 'A' side factor when there's that. Maybe back in the days stock copies where floating around but today seemingly really not as much. Making it hard for me to 'value'. Once !

One sold on the eVilBay in 2012 for not much money IMHO ($171), one was also auctioned on the 'northernsoul45s.co.uk' site and a last one was auctioned (from that BBC library collection I believe) via the 'sale-room.com' British auction site. Anyone knows how much for these last two went for ?

Worse it is getting everyday. Price wise at least. That's never a good news. Records were all over about to be "crate dug" in shops, warehouses, collectors collection, private dealers or at fairs. Much less so today. OK it required for one to move, travel, find the 'connections' but for the 'brave' the gain was the prize of the effort. Like the 'rare' soul scene it was all "underground". Crate diggers of the "old school" were doing it for the passion of the music and/or the records with for reference their sole ears and knowledge, sniffing the right 'bite'. Then they have been put in competition with packs of hunters doing it for the money with discogs for reference. Trades were also easier. Now because of the internet the whole speculative aspects of those 'rare' records have driven many of the prices beyond realistic reach. Meaning only money can conclude a deal. Allowing many with more 'green power' than before to come into the 'collecting' game with a lazy 'click'... Passion ? To discover something on the internet just satisfies my curiosity. Yes I use the internet for such purpose as well. To buy, sell and trade also. But as said before, to discover a record it just doesn't involve the same excitement for me as it is like in a 'club', at a friend's or at home with a "newly" bought record never heard before.

Yes his wonderful M-S sides.

All I get ;

Am in Belgium and from here all I get is 'Wigan patch' banner. Likely an eB geographical option thing... No name nor website from here. Could I be so bold to ask you to PM those to me ? 😮

Hi does anyone know who's that and if he's on here maybe...

Both these copies look "legit" from standing point. From memory the boot label was also too white (not yellowish/wahed out) and shiny instead of mat FWIW. Unlike those blanks/stamps pressings you link here. Although the Bronco labeled copy is shiny and the right/best way to own it IMHO. But am/was a collector...