Steve G

Very different scenes these days. I remember being at a large oldies event, lets just say what some would call "the bagged trousered brigade" out in force, beers towels, hats, holdalls, white sox the lot. And a "Worst of Wigan" soundtrack from the DJS - every DJ playing Mickey moonshine, Kiki Dee etc. I distinctly remember thinking "what the hell am I doing here? Never again, I have got nothing in common with these people whatsoever". But then again I haven't been out to too many rare soul do's either recently…maybe just becoming a grumpy old man LOL

Its also a timing thing for me. Northern = mainly Wigan / torch etc. era. Rare = mainly post Wigan era.

Rare and underplayed gives you the option of playing underplayed non rare of course which i like. And you never hear the term "Rare and overplayed" Rare is the most over used term out there, records of which there are hundreds floating about described as "rare" left right and centre.

This week's show: https://www.mixcloud.com/steve-guarnori/soul-time-1892015/ Part 1 2015 Soul Angie Stone - 2 Bad Habits Stan J - Give it up (Peace & Soul) - Ga 14 tracks Andre Lee - Lets go stepping (The truth) Cecil Parker - I really really love you (remastered) (If I sing) Roderick Drane feat Paul johnson - Throw a party Gerald & Tammi Haddon - Enough of your love (Hashtag Us) Guiltypleasures - Whatever pleases you (Cautionary tales) Joni Nehrita - Waste my time Faye B - Ready for goodbye (Joe Black sweet 83 remix) Lenny Williams - Can't nobody do me like you (Blues, grooves and other moods) Tim Owens - Here in my heart (Real life EP) 65 Divine Delegation feat Brent Suber & James Adams Jr - Im not the same (Divine delegation) Lilan Kane - Separate lives (remix) (Lilan EP) Robin Moet feat Katerina Jefferson - What a girl needs Miss Mini - Can't stop me Part 2 Oldies 70s & 60s The Rhythm Machine - Whatcha gonna do The Gaslight - Just because of you Charisma - Let love in your life Mel Davis - Double or nothing Church - How long Onyx - Break it loose WDJ The Prince of Soul - Funky loving Geraldine Hunt - Never never leave me Wendy Woods - Do it now The Performers-Little Angel Barbara Mercer - Call on me David Peoples - Got to get my broom out Sam E Solo - Tears keep falling Vic Marcel - Won't you come & fly with me Little Dooley - Its got to be now or never The Presidents - Love pain Northern Soul 3 Ila Van - You made me this way The Spellbrinders - Help me Honey Bees - Lets get back together

Good article

No worries, I did go for an interview with Lloyds Bank when I was 18, but failed the interview

I have never worked in banking Dave….You must have confused me with someone else….

as you say Dave….each to their own. And yes you are right I avoid all of the brits abroad events (and local oldies nights which also exist in parts of Europe) - thing is you can normally work out what the music will be like by looking at the DJ line-up. Going abroad isn't cheap for those of us not in full time employment.

OK someone has to say this…. There is more than one scene in Europe Some upfront and refreshingly new, others Brits abroad playing oldies.

Forced me to look Kev in case I was going mad…. https://www.discogs.com/Bobby-Moore-The-Rhythm-Aces-Dedication-Of-Love/master/821107

That Bobby Moore was an album track….think we're talking about stuff from the vaults Kev. Natural Resources by contrast was unissued until last year.

What about download Dave?

Its an interesting view….but surely the big promotors are just pandering to what the public want? Nothing more nothing less. The fact that they can get 1,500 people to turn up and pay at an oldies event says more about the public and what they want to spend their hard earned money on than it says about the promotors. People go out for what they think will be a good night / weekend out….that is what it is about isn't it? The vast majority seem to be more interested in dancing to the (very) familiar than they are about hearing something new / exciting, record collecting etc. In that regard the NS oldies scene is no different to wider society. Amongst my "civilian" friends aged 50+ very few of them have any interest in anything new musically. If Genesis or Status Quo are doing a revival bore, they're creaming their pants trying to get tickets. Maybe we have to admit that for most people, they only want to hear the soundtrack of their youth. Interesting you mention the 100 Club. I can remember in the early days of its popularity London was awash with cash ins - 2nd and 3rd division DJs / mod renegades etc. putting on northern soul nights everywhere in town. But all of the cash in nights soon died out. We had fire in our bellies and people voted with their (discerning) feet, and supported the club that was authentic and the 100 Club won out. The battle for a forward thinking progressive soul scene in this country was lost many years ago and is now limited to a few pockets as you say. It's not worth getting upset about. Honest.

That is exactly my point. You could probably count the number of DJs on the northern scene playing the previously unissued stuff on a couple of hands, while the other 12,864 DJs on the northern scene don't and will never. Yet they'll sell their grandchildren to get their hits on a copy of The Tomangoes.

It is a good modern tune. However it is totally UNSUITABLE for a northern night.

Pretty clear to me that this thread is about the northern scene Kegsy. The modern scene is entirely separate in my opinion. I couldn't resist altering your post above since apart from a few who genuinely champion new music "modern" is the most mis-used term out there. I've been in plenty of modern rooms which turn out just to be anthem-fests….same old tunes every time. Modern oldies if you like. In my view, the northern scenes haven't accepted new / recent releases and why on earth would they? It is a music form based on the rhythms and sounds of the 60s and early 70s, not todays music. Even "previously unissued" 60s recordings struggle for acceptance as in the recent One-Der-Ful / M-Pac releases. How many northern DJs have fitted any of them into their sets? Surely the reality is that there is no longer a northern scene as such….Instead we inhabit a world where there are a multitude of scenes, loosely playing similar sounding 60s / 70s music. The public pays their money and takes their choice as to which venues they support. Whether that be a "Mecca reunion" or "Lifeline". Today `I can go to venues in London where I don't know a single person, and equally ones where I know just about everyone. It is totally fragmented and thats the way it will stay.

Do you honestly think that the northern scene today would accept the playing of new / recent releases. I don't. Sounds like Archie Bell were contemporary for the time, and records like Lou Pride were played on the scene within 3 years of their initial release. So they still sounded contemporary in a world where Radio 1 was still playing "Knock on wood" and "Sitting on the dock of the bay" every day of the week. Music today is totally different and the odd new release that did eventually go on to make it on the northern scene (e.g. "Bamboos" Tighten up, "Who's the King") a) were made to sound like old records, and B) took years to get accepted on the northern scene. Of course I am dismissing that piece of cr*p "Tribute" which was just too awful to mention in a discussion about soul music.

Oh dear, not the "there's no good music anymore" thread Len? Ya gotta look man, it is out there. Thing is, if it ain't got that northern beat, then northern fans aren't likely to go a bundle on it. But as you are into your mid tempo (the Midtempo activist) how about the recent (month ago) Nicole Willis "One in a million", Strange Faith "Walking over", Grace Love & The Love Tones or the new Lenny Williams album from the last ten days? I'll warn ya now they are hardly likely to get played at your local northern night though because they ain't northern. And this thread is about the northern scene.

Back after a week's break: https://www.mixcloud.com/steve-guarnori/soul-tim-12th-september-2015/ Part 1 2015 Soul. JaeB The Soulman - Love ride (Soulfolicious) Kejam feat Chanel - This love is magic (Soul Rockers remix) Byron Holton -Something about that Jesus (A wretch undone) Joyce Sims - Running back to you (Love song) Earl Young & Darrell Grant - Power of love (Connerseurs mix) Nia Simmons - Holding on (A songbirds journey) Andre Lee - My girl (The Truth) Groove Ltd - You've got it (First Class) Babyface - We've got love Andre Murrill - I think I'm gonna marry you (Relationship issues) TempestB - Sincerely you fool (Memoirs) Q Harper - Why don't you know (The romantic) Kim Burrell - Praise groove (A different place) Strange Faith - Walking over (Love & Poverty) Lenny Williams - Torn between two lovers (Blues Grooves and other Moods) R'Mone Entonio - Without you Anthony AK King - Get to know me (In time) Tonya Leeks - Clean up woman (Groovin') 68 Blackhouse Nation - More love Cathy Banks - My soul's desire (Relationship) Grace Love & The True Tones - At times like these (Grace Love & The True Tones) Part 2 - Oldies Jerry Warren - I really love you Teddy Pendregrass - Somebody told me Fletcher Walker III - I guess I'll never understand Jackie Moore - Clean up your own yard Rhetta Hughes - You're doing it with her Stevens & Foster - I want to be love Danny Williams - All those lies Sensations - Gonna step aside Unique Blend - Yes I'm in love Melvin Carter - Love sacrifice Northern Soul 3 Yvonne & Violets - Cross my heart Ronnie & Robyn - As long as you love me I'll stay The Incredibles - There's nothing else to say

Fabulous achievement Mike.

This week's show...https://www.mixcloud.com/steve-guarnori/soul-time-28-august-2015-4th-sept-2015/ Part 1 - 2015 soul The Foreign Exchange - Body (Tales from the land of milk) R Kelly - Backyard party Tony Momrelle - Pick me up (Keep pushing) Q Harper - Pretty lady (The Romantic) Maya Williams - I'm done with love (The way you love me EP) Da Liberal Soul - Happy day (Fresh oil) Storm Marrero - On the line (Black Gypsy) Tavis Minner - Gotta believe in yourself Victoria Theodore -All I need (Grateful) Vincent Wells- Yours (Restless Pleasure EP) Luster Baker - Irrestable (They call me Mr Juicy) T K Soul - Merry go round Jerry Wayne - God see's Karen Wolfe B.O.B (No regrets) VenueConnection - Feel the groove (State of mind) Candace Woodson - Free Mighty Sam McCain & Knut Reiersrud -Tears of the world (Tears of the world) (same as Robert Moore) J B Bingham - Girls don't let the fellas take over (Soul Junction forthcoming) Part 2 - Oldies Dionne Warwick - Make a little love to me Willie Hutch - Come on lets do the thang R B Hudmon - This could be the night J T Brown - Like taking candy from a baby Midwest Franchise - I'll be around Willie Wade - When push comes to shove Lee Shot Williams - It ain't me no more Ronnie Keaton - Going down for the last time Tripplett Twins & Double Trouble - Gonna change Rick Shephard - Can we share it Flame N King & Bold Ones - Ho happy day Bileo -You can win Reachers - I just want to do my own thing Northern Soul 3 Sam Williams - Love slipped through my fingers Viola Wills - You're out of my mind Bobby Hutton - Come see whats left of me Chris Simpson - Game changer

Its a popular sound all right and it's so clear that "sheeple" will just bid mad amounts to get a proven dance floor winner rather than trying to break their own sounds, or playing something imaginative. Very depressing.

Butch plays Cressa Watson not Rita Lee. Cressa Watson on Charay very rare. Must be loads of Rita Lees floating about they were 50p back in the 70s and everyone had them.

This week's show: https://www.mixcloud.com/steve-guarnori/soul-time-2182015/ PART 1 NEW SOUL Maurice Mahon - Free God Sent - Don't worry about the outside Michael Hubbard - Just on the dance floor (The break up) Distant Souls feat Sheree Hinds & Marc Evans - Deja Vu Soulmagic & Terri B - Good love (Joey Negro) JJuke - Little more love (Funk a doodle remix) Gregg D Moore feat Frank McComb - What kind of man would I be Bosra Sham - Bad lovin' Tamika Dunning - Everything I need Terri Lyne Carrington feat Chante Moore - Best of the best (The Mosaic project) J White feat Tanya Teit - What if I told you Leonard Dozier - Nothing sweeter Nicole Willis & Soul Investigators - One in a million Katie Leone - Let down ya hair (Prism of light) Gene Dudley group feat E - He's changed (Zombidose) Speedometer feat James Junior - I showed them (No turning back) PART 2 OLDIES Sounds of Blackness - I'm going all the way (7" radio edit) Teddy Pendergrass - Believe in love (Phat Phili mix) Leo's Sunshipp - Give me the sunshine (Mini Tro) Margie Joseph - Come on back to me lover Bobby Hutton - Lend a hand Montclairs - I need you more than ever Patterson Twins - Back in love again Patterson Twins- They're playing our song on the radio Patterson Twins - I need your love Sammy Gordon & Hip Huggers - Making love Willi J & Co -Boogie with your baby Jackey Beavers - Trying to get back to you girl Wilson love - Funny money Northern Soul 3 Determinations - You can't hold on to love August Moon - Wasted years Epsilons - Mind in a bind

Confirmed by Tony Rounce….Oh and of course Dottie Cambridge = Dorothy Moore….