Roburt

Ian, it couldn't have been Arnold Rosenburg could it ??

Anything much known about this guy who I guess was NY based ........ In December 1966 he had a 45 out on the little Jamaican (NY) based label Getit. One side of this "52 Times Before" was a very messy NS dancer but it has it's fans .... ............ there was a famous American Preston Foster but he was an actor & a lot older (a bit like a US version of Kegsy).

AND their wuz me knot noing wot it wus DOOH

I'm not tellin you, coz I gotta go & kiss my wife goodbye (I'm off out for the year -- gonna go ride the freedom train) ........... The Freedom Train is comingcan't you hear that whistle blowingIt's time to get your ticket ya'll & get on boardit's time for all the people to take this freedom ridegot to together & work for freedom side by side that's why I tell ya I'm gonna ride the FREEDOM TRAIN Oh, no, it's not Freedom Train is it , don't know then.

Kegsy, so you've given up sampling the spots AND now you're spotting the samples ....... MAKE YOUR MIND UP LAD :-)

A picture of Lou & some fellow (vintage) artists in the studio in the very recent past ...........

RE: A POSSIBLE JAMAICAN LINK .............. In Jamaica in the 80's / 90's lots of pressing plant equipment was still around & underused. Plus they had loads of old KreamKracked 45's that they could grind up & put back into the presses. So all the equipment & materials were around. One Jamaican outfit (back in the 60's) had licensed in all the Scepter / Wand stuff (probably WIRL but I'm guessing here) & pressed up local copies. Anyway, they knew there was a market for old 60's soul 45's & LPs, so they started making 'look alike' copies of many of the things they'd put out in the 60's. I know I came across quite a few different Chuck Jackson Wand things on trips to the Caribbean around the early / mid 90's. These LOOKED just like original LPs but were still mint (OR AS MINT as it is possible for a Jamaican pressed record to ever be).

A later SR&Miracles 45 (A side a reissued track I think) came out in Germany with a dance track on the B that only made a it onto a 45 release anywhere on this particular 7". I know I have that 45 somewhere here but can't recall the title of either side of the record at present (& there's 25+ boxes to sort thru to find it) .... ..... so someone with a less-shot memory will have to enlighten folk as to what the 2 cuts are.

I'd forgotten about that our kid (& it was MY radio show he was on not YOURS). But you're right, Lou did and he got the systems in their working correctly for the 1st time that weekend -- BACKGROUND INFO : the 1st thing Roger Banks did @ every Prestatyn Weekender was change all the settings on each piece of the equipment in the radio room, so that everybody else who followed after him sounded sh*te ... Oh, we all thought Roger was so funny !!! NOT). Lou is a wizard on any piece of recording gear .... in fact for the last 10+ years (& he's now 78) Lou has been employed to run the City of Las Vegas Arts Recording Studio. There he takes 'troubled youngsters' & others, helping give them a purpose in life (as a singer, rapper, musician, engineer, etc). Lou also had the use of & helped run Harvey Fuqua's Vegas studio + he works with Freddie Empire who also has his own studio. I guess everyone knows, Lou's your man to get the best sound out of the gear in their studio.

I talked a lot with Oliver Cheatham (when he was signed to Move Records of Edinburgh). We spent a weekend with him in Kirkcaldy when he had a club gig there & then a night out on the Royal Mile in Edinburgh itself. Apart from the wife & I acting as his backing singers (in his hotel room, not on stage), we talked music the rest of the time. Oliver was linked with Al's labels for quite a few years (as Round Trip, Oliver & also solo). He first got an in with Al as the studio roof was leaking & Oliver was a fully trained roofer -- so he was invited to join 'Al's in-team' as long as he mended the roof. From there, they cut many great tracks together. Oliver knew the circumstances surrounding Al's death & told me the full story -- he knew as he was around in the run up to Al's killing & knew the who & the why .... but (it goes without saying) to have told the police would probably have meant that Oliver's body was the next that would have been found.

"Tears Of A Clown" escaped on 45 in various forms / countries ......... it was paired with "I Second That Emotion", "Who's Gonna Take The Blame", "You Must Be Love", "Promise Me" and probably further tracks too.

Another 'earlyish' photo of Lou ........ the guitar man ............

Robb, the explanation is in the CD booklet ........... a tape was found in DH's studio containing 3 tracks; Nosy Neighbors (Nosy Folk), My Heart Tells Me So (I Know Its You) & It Takes Two People. The origins of when & where these were all cut is probably lost in time now.

Was it his Contempo cut "How Can I Say Goodbye" that never escaped anywhere else (though it was a Chicago recording). May be getting this UK only release mixed up with another Chicago / Contempo 45 cut though.

All the T/Mot 45's I've got from Barbados & Jamaica are via WIRL. Didn't EMI ever operate out in the Caribbean ??

T/M (EMI) UK following their own path agin, I guess the demo B side is the same as the US 45 release. Is It ?

Ignore Kegsy, he's just jealous that we're both Dony Lads !!

A bit from another publication about "Four Women" ..........

Speakin of the Bandmasters ..... ....... here they are (though Lou ain't up there with them on this occasion) in Cleveland backing up Betty Everett on a gig ..... Lou tells me the personnel are; Drums - Bill Matlock, Bass - Joe Yancy, Trumpet - Robert Lee , Tenor Sax was from Don Gregory's band and the guitar player was the personal one for singer Betty Everett.

Some info from Lou on Photo 3/ (Lou (with guitar) -- a hip 19 yr old musician) in my initial post on this thread .............. I am wearing a vest that my mother made for me. I'm standing by the hall steps of the (Cleveland) Music Box, where the Band Masters were the house band along with Don Gregory, I was 19 years old then.

Happier days for the group ....... 1960 .... and their V-Tone 45 was selling enough copies (in most areas) to make the US Top 100 Pop Chart ... but the V-Tone guys didn't have sufficient cash to 'tip' enough radio DJs, so "If I Knew" wasn't being played in many areas of the south & west ...... so it's impact was downgraded & it just missed making the main charts over a 4 week period ...... they did however place higher than the likes of Teddy Vann, Neil Sedaka, Bill Haley, Elvis, Teddy Randazzo, Ray Bryant & the Coasters during that month ...........

A piece from a Cleveland Newspaper (a bit hard to read it all though) .......... AND WHAT LOU SAID ABOUT IT ............. THE RECORDING THAT IS .......... To make this recording I used musicians from The Cleveland Orchestra as I did on stuff by all the local bands, Mother Braintree, Bel tell funk, the Dazz band, Soul, New York Stock Exchange, Hot Chocolate, Seven Miles High, Sonny Lovell, True Movement, etc. What a production.

Conchitta, remind me again .......... where do I send the cheque ??

Look, ain't seem our kid for ages, so I make mistakes AND ain't got no help from him or Willie Hutch .... otherwise Mart cuda been a Brother whos Gonna Work It Out before you get to add your silly comment. BTW seen Keith's sad news on Facebook :-(

One thing about the jazz world (especially in the US) ..... the fans were / are a lot more loyal. FOR INSTANCE ............ long after Willie Tee stopped getting calls to perform his old soul numbers (except from the UK), he was kept busy working with his brother Earl Turbington on jazz club bookings (& they made some recordings together of a similar nature).