Chalky

So Sunday afternoon sessions is the hope for the future of the scene. Don't get me wrong, some great music at the H&G, great crowd but is a Sunday afternoon and home by 9 really the future?

The scene and individuals within it who are in it for themselves rather than, or do not see the bigger picture are eating away at the health of the scene from the inside. The sad thing is by the time they realise what is happening it will be too late. A plethora of venues doesn't equate to health. There is a huge choice of venues with little choice, all doing the same thing, all playing the same thing. The upfront side is no better either with some pretty poor records IMO getting far too much action and the crowds are dwindling, having to make do with a side room to survive. DJ's with no imagination...thats rigth across the board. Makes me sad to see the state the scene is getting itaelf in and we only have ourselves to blame. Far too many people now don't dance, many more than happy to spend the night stood outside....christ knows why anyone would spend a tenner to sit or stand outside a venue? The scene might appear to be on the crest of a commercial wave but those riding that wave who have come from no where, who have no history will disappear just as quickly as they arrived, many youngsters don't travel and once a few commitments come into their lives they will probably disappear as well. As for record prices they are simply forcing people to resort to boots and reissues as stupidity takes over, all sense out of the window,

it's all done via discogs but if the buyer knows you and get in touch via email away from discogs there is nothing to stop you removing the disc from your inventory and doing the deal privately. Trouble is it is the best place to sell, especially for discs that fit the general soul and records that aren't considered in demand. Trouble is most aren't selling as a business, we sell to buy to fund our hobby and it is money we have already paid tax on

Congratulations and keep up the good work!

Plenty of them about mate.

Plenty of collectors who are nothing to do with this scene and many records cross over to other scenes. We will never know for sure what is out there and who has what.

i agreewith you Andy The US is a big place and who know how many copies are out there but the internet has made it a whole lot smaller and I for one never assume there are just one or two copies, only speak of what I know of.

Missed at the time and don't think it has been mentioned on here? Just read that Big Frank Murphy (aka Frank Dell) passed away in July. So pleased to have seen him perform at Cleethorpes, thank you for the music. R.I.P. https://webapp1.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3261252&fh_id=12745

Sad news. R.I.P. George

I've loads of flyers for them also Pete, just need an hour or two to upload it all. Happy to contribute anyway I can, if it upsets a few or doesn't get used so be it ;)

just got to find a bit of time mate and I will upload some stuff for them. There will be a lengthy article about post Wigan soon ;)

a lack of imagination and a loss of all sense in some cases

yes mate. Cresa the first and very rare. Rita pressed up by Major Bill later. Cresa is a yellow label, will sort a scan when I get the chance. Althout the Butch factor comes in to play Andy Dyson probably made it popular everywhere including Kings Hall, thats why Rita is so in demand. When me and Andy compared the 45's sure they sounded differnet takes but not so sure now.

knew it was one of them. Another mate has a copy of Cresa which he was looking to sell. JM probably the best place too.

i know of 4 I think. If Rita Lee is worth that then Cressa must be £10k. It is a 70's press done for the scene by the label owner who was in touch with Barrie Wadd (I think) who was feedimg him info about what was in demand and popular. It was around a ton not too long ago.

very few principles or morals when it comes to record buyers and sellers. Does anyone who sells at large profit give something to the artists involved? Doubt it very much. By general releae I mean to the general record buyers, the pop market. It was made for a specialist market, even more specialised back then and was bought via mail order. I would imagine any royalties from the deal would amount to very little. Again what did Milton owe Ollie for any session costs, probably more than any royalties. Not sure what they were sold at back then, not sure what the deal was between John and Ollie.

There is different criteria for different establishments, clubs, venues, restaurants etc. For a restaurant according to the PRS site.... How is your licence fee calculated?We have a dedicated tariff covering restaurants and cafés. Licence tariffs depend on: seating capacityhow you play music (eg. in the background or DJs and live performances)if music is played on holdFor clubs.... Licence tariffs depend on: the size of your venuethe type of club you're runninghow you play music (eg. in the background, DJs and live performances)if you play music on holdDJs or karaoke jockeys may need a separate ProDub licence to play music at your venue. Please note, where they don’t have one, it may render your licence invalid. All the license types can be found here https://www.prsformusic.com/USERS/BUSINESSESANDLIVEEVENTS/MUSICFORBUSINESSES/Pages/default.aspx

Anywhere that plays music, clubs, shops, workplaces, should have a license. The venue is responsible for that and has to fill in the necessary. Not sure if set lists have to be done these days. Maybe by radio stations and professional DJ's?

We don't know what the contract was at the time of recording. He may well have been paid a one off fee. Artists usually have to pay studio time, pay for musicians etc. He may well have owed Ollie for all that. Even though he wrote it I doubt he owned the masters so Ollie would be entitled to do what ever he liked. And just how much do you think Milton Wright should be paid for a one off 300 press which I doubt amounted to very much at all back in the 70's. There would be no royalties for a start as it wasn't up for general release. Neither are royalties due on prices achieved at auction for a second hand record. Reality is often very different to what people believe.

if they had asked for EOS on one of the various forums/groups and offered a couple of hundred they would probably have had a few offers of a copy. It isn't even rare.

I have plenty of flyers etc from the 80's onwards

If you offered 200 quid for EOS you'd probably get several offers of a copy. There is no rhyme or reason to the market right now, totally crazy. You only have to see some current auctions with records I wouldn't even have considered an auction item and far from rare fetching as much as or near to genuinely rare items.

That's three known copies, or copies I know of then You have to smile when you see a bargain like this and then some fool paying over 800 quid for epitome of Sound

Top marks to you Dave. It's one of the genuine rarest of the rare IMO, great record as well.

Neither do venue owners want the baggage that comes with a Northern Soul allnigther. Potential licence problems, drugs, police interest, additional wages etc etc....