Chalky

Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days. Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think. Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does. I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black.

Here is the link to Barry's album....

I've used grab but prefer SnapNDrag Many ebay scans you can no longer right click and copy/save image. P.S. Just seen Pete's reply....anyway back to the topic....

But as I said paul we as consumers in the UK have consistently paid about a fiver more than other countries when it comes to buying an LP/CD.....rip off Britain again. You can in almost every instance buy any CD cheaper from a retailer in the states (and I don't mean amazon) and have it delivered to your door. It cost pennies (seem to remember a figure of 50 odd pence) to produce a CD, yet they ripped the UK consumer off with high prices compared to other countries. I don't think some think music is free, it is an unfortunate by product of the digital revolution. Because the record industry did all it could to stop digital and downloads people had to resort to other methods....file sharing via sites like audio galaxy and napster.....not condoning this either. They could get it for free and still do, you said it yourself its the attitude of those downloading. Like I said it is all their own fault, or many of the problems are of their own making. Record companies execs. bit like those running various sports, old and out of touch with the world and the youth.

Pete, get yourself a free mac program called SnapNDrag, great program for screen shots and any other shot really, I use it for those ebay scans you can't copy. Screenshot here for you.....

Maybe thats true Paul but you don't have the additional costs of art work and cases, shipping and distribution with downloads that you have with cds. The music simply sits on a server. Besides how much of that difference between a 12.99 cd and a 7.99 download album actually went to the artist? zero. And another fact is we in the UK have for years paid more than say america for our CDs, music etc. The internet has benefitted many artists, many who couldn't get a deal but sites like myspace and later FB got bands out there, got there music out there and some have made a tidy living out of the digital revolution. The record industry has only itself to blame really, whilst everyone else was embracing the internet, downloads etc, the industry was fighting it and doing everything it could to stop it. If it had been at the forefront of the digital and internet revolution maybe it wouldn't be in such a mess, maybe downloading music illegally wouldn't have been and still continues to be so prevalent. It's only the last tow or three years we have had a download chart yet kids have only really known downloads for years, most don't know what a record or record player looks like, many weren't even born when CD's came onto the market.

I often plug laptop into system, especially when doing sound files, podcasts etc and the tracks sound just as good as the records, in some cases the quality is better.

The silence is almost deafening from the collectors Ian. If some landlord asked me to do something like I described I would also do it. Obviously I wouldn't do it at a serious Soul Night/all-nighter but in a local club or pub where it isn't aimed purely at the soul crowd I don't see anything wrong with this sort of set up being talked about or even cds. I'd also agree with what others have said, it's not always about what you own it is how you put the set together as much as anything.

Think it could have been covered as Timi Yuro???? Could be way off the mark though. I still have a tape of Steve's in garage with this on so will check when I get chance.

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I think it's sold mate, going this weekend. If out changes I'll give you a shout.

Original has Herbert Hunter on the flip "Push Away From The Table". Also has a Nashville Matrix stamp.

Dunno I've been offered £30 for one, turned them down as promised I wouldn't pass it on.

Some people believe it or not actually pay a lot of money for certain sound files.

Lets take it one stage further and you collectors, if a landlord or a club owner asked you to do a Soul Night but he said I've none of them decks we used to use years ago just cd and digital equipment (laptop etc), would you turn the night down? I'm not talking about an all-nighter etc, just some local club trying to get some extra custom through doors. All this talk about can't play this nor play it on that etc is getting a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

Cut the off topic rubbish and stick to the topic, don't mind a laugh but some take it too far. Any more and it will be over to Freebasing.

why do you need an iPod? Why not simply use your laptop and use one of the great DJ programs, DJay 3 or VirtualDJ for example. edit: Just seen Dave T's post. DJay 3 is about the best for your iPad.

No Kangaroo court, up until now many believed it was a bootleg (I dare says many still believe it is), masters obtained through dubious practices and no monies going the way of the owners/songwriters etc. Given what has been said it would appear otherwise and will take your word for it Kev. There have been however other instances of boots done using the original masters etc. I talk with Arthur Wright occasionally I will ask and see if he remembers anything about this.

I actually found a copy on the shelf t'other day when looking for some other 45's, Goldmine demo.

Kev, you are right I don't know him, heard many stories about him and the many tricks he did and was known to get up to. Like Is said I will take some persuading that this ain't a boot. Too many knowledgeable collectors have said this is a boot, far more than have said it it is legit so for me the jury is out on this one.

I'm not convinced Kev, Soussan's reputation precedes him and I would want some compelling evidence he did everything with this above board. I guess the jury is out on this one.

No wish to turn this into another boots topic but I agree with your first rule but it would appear some say it is ok to play a bootlegged record just because it hasn't had a release, there is no justification to play it and give acknowledgement to the bootlegger. The only person to benefit is Soussan. Like Ady said I doubt Soussan changed any habits and obtained this legally. As I said the vocal is one of the best records ever, fantastic dancer, superb vocal form Mary, what more do you want in a record. But hey at the end of the day like you and Pete said if they want to play it out just play it.

Parisians, $1980 (Vg+) June this year on evilbay..........one a month later for $677 (described as good condition)

If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough.

why play the instrumental (seems like some condone the actions of bootleggers) when you have one of the greatest Northern Soul records ever with the vocal version.