Jim Ohara

sorry but I must disagree with you here always much easier to criticise than to praise ok the film may not have been absolutely perfect, but for it to be perfect it would have actually had to have been filmed through many sets of eyes from the 60's through to the present day - which is obviously impossible don't know your own background, but many, many things reminded me of how I got into northern - in particular - the local youth club scenes - 100% bang on for me - was exactly how I remember it the scenes of the guy listening to his first tape and beginning to get obsessed with some of the tunes on it - again this could have been me - or any one of us on SS the drug side - I remember seeing people injecting speed - not nice - but very real the film for me captured the timeframe exactly and is exactly how I remember it when I was 15/16 if its a bloody love story you want, with boy meets girl, boy steals girl from the "main man", then they all live happily ever after, maybe you should try a nice "rom com", there are loads around - Jennifer Anniston seems to be in most of them !!! sorry but I really just don't get where you are coming from with this only my opinion!! jim

i really don't think you get it you quote - A gatekeeper mentality, a sense of "You're enjoying this all wrong" - that's the guaranteed way to kill any scene, to keep out those that might eventually bring that rawness and push those boundaries. "‹The people I'm on about in these type of video clips have no chance of pushing boundaries or bringing rawness back to the scene - are you watching the same clips as me???? yes my type of gatekeeper mentality may "kill the scene" - but if THAT is the "scene", then it is well and truly dead and i want no part of it! i have my views and you have yours - enjoy!

Russel feel free to do what you feel is right for you - but i feel you are wrong to criticise the people on here who are commenting about this thread! What you must remember and take on board is that the full point of peoples critisism here is that the "proper northern / rare soul scene" WAS AND STILL IS incredibly close to a lot of peoples hearts - people have spent many hours, weeks and years caring for and keeping alive a scene that was once raw, underground, undiluted (especially in the early days), special, exclusive etc. etc. Collectors have dedicated their lives in searching for rare and exclusive records in an attempt to keep the scene moving forward (which after 40 years is very diffficult) What we are witnessing is the (albeit small) commercialisation of this RAW, UNDERGROUND scene, into a "new scene" that WE simply cannot relate to - the nostalgia, people dressing in clothes from the 70's, dancing (poorly!) to overplayed records, paying too much for overplayed and non-rare records, attending venues where the promotors are only in it for the money and their own ego etc. etc. This is why we are critical about the crap like this thread - there is no RAWNESS in this "new scene", nobody pushing any boundaries etc. etc. I suggest you read Elaine Constantines book about Northern - that may give you an idea of what i am trying to say - it gets the point across about how RAW and "rough n ready" the scene once was - OK i am aware that things move forward but to move forward into the shit that we are witnessing at present - well, it just doesn't sit right with me and a lot of other on here In summary, WE have every right to comment about something that we see was OURS being diluted and commercialised into something that we don't recognise Best Jim

Holy fuck this is getting beyond a joke - u shudder to think what's next So far removed from the scene I lived and loved more than anything It's bloody embarasing

you have got to love JM's descriptions THE EMPIRES The flip is obviously not as good but acts as a good diversion from the inspiraionally flawless top side translated meaning = the flipside is shite Brilliant!!!!

Harry I would say that chances are, the album will be an issue when I collected albums you found a lot of demo copies had a white sticker along the bottom of the sleeve (about 8" x 4") this sticker contained the track listing with times, credits etc. the stamp on the picture was probably done as an afterthought when they were all pressed that my view anyway jim

If you've been waiting a couple of years for one to turn up, why the Fxxx would you then tell everyone there's one on ebay?

in Scotland? as a "scot", i would be interested in the who, what where?

yes agreed there were loads of us willing Andy on, and wished he would have won, but in some respects I'm glad it wasn't Andy that paid 12k Andy has and will continue to have great records to both play and collect - all without spending 12k on ONE

Yes quite a character i remember when I was doing the all nighters at Allanton, I got a phone call from him i had never heard of him and honestly thought it was a "wind up" due to his strong accent - don't recall exactly where he was from he informed me that he was coming up to scotland to the all nighter and gave me more or less the exact time he would arrive in order to get set up told me what kind of floor slace he neede for tables etc. AND most importantly always told me "ALL ME RECORDS ARE BRAND NEW JIM - I DONT SELL ANY SECOND HAND RECORDS" i honestly thought it was one of my mate winding me up But, almost bang on time there he was waiting at the hall - loaded with bloody records quite a character indeed he was !!!

That's the guy Ivor - I got some great deep 45's over the years from him remember buying the Tommy Tate Malaco LP plus quite a few other new jap releases at the time also god I really do miss getting "lists" from people like that and loads of others like me, I'm sure we all had a few people that were dealers in general soul but weren't active on the northern scene - always managed to keep them from the masses!! i vote to ban vinyl sales from the internet and we all go boy back to getting lists through the door i kind of miss those Wednesday mornings hitting redial on the phone to get through to soul bowl - only to be told that what you were after was gone! - then scouring the list again and finding something else later in the day that was still available - off to get my dad to write a cheque or a good old postal order sent to kings Lynn - no PayPal in those days loved it immensely !!!!

Don't know what the guys name was actually Andy But I think it may have been Colchester - will dig around to see if I can find any old lists etc jim

Kind of thought it was MS Dave is he still active at all in buying or selling records ?

I would have said earlier than 1999 too - was there many good stuff in his stock ? i got a lot of good things from him over the years

Didn't realise this was same guy - used to like his lists - remember buying Alex Brown on Sundi off his list in around 1988/89 - think it was £30 he always had some quite nice things

Just curios as to what happened to the following - apologies if this has been covered Black Grape - got some great stuff over the years from Gary Black Knight - last I spoke to Gary many years ago and seem to remember he was diagnosed with something but can't recall what - cancer/MS? Ivor Allen - used to attend Allanton and took up half the bloody record bar A N Other - cant recall this one but he dealt mainly in Japanese LP's - P vine etc. Boogaloo Records - Leicester etc. Cheers Jim

Hey I was actually tempted to say they were £8, but maybe you are correct at £10 well done you........

Figured out what kitches Little Beaver c/u was (jimmy bo horne - just can't speak on DADE) first night he played it at Allanton 1990? 1 days later on the monday morning one if many lists ( remember those - lists?) pops through the door from Black Grape with Jimmy B H on it - cant remember the price - around £15 / £20 from memory regret - i only bought one! however happy days when sold it to Ginger Taylor for £1150

Really? You don't think anyone in the UK deserves this type of accolade for their influence on the rare soul scene - come on - you havin a bloody laugh - if you read Mrs.M's original post, she has tried to use the term "heros" loosely and most people have recognised that!!

Had these from new, cost me about £700 when new - won many awards and for years were one of the best you could buy still have original boxes - a couple of dings here and there on the cabinets - brilliant quality £250

Also came out on Atco - im sure its Canadian but would need to check One if my all time faves - love it

Nice one youth - had a couple of tapes like this from rob - loved the handwriting - and obviously some great tunes

Likewise chalky on the Eddie Parker - but if you must go - brilliant

Managed to watch in all about 10 minutes at various points of the total film I ain't going to comment any more than that!!!!