Modernsoulsucks

Need to sell these. No scratches etc and all are in pretty nice condition as Im very fussy grader. Paypal OK but add 4%. Modrod52@aol.com Jackie Wilson "This love is real" BRUNSWICK EX £5 Dolls "This is our day" MALTESE VG+ £5 Barbara Mercer "Hey" GW Ex £5 Vibrations "Canadian Sunset" OKEH DJ VG+ £4 Forest Hairston "We go to pieces" M- VINEY £10 Johnnie Mae Matthews "Here comes my baby" BLUE ROCK Ex £10 Four Invaders " Standing in the Doorway" BRAY EX £30 Mandells "Do'in the look" WDJ M JUBILEE £10 Robert Moore "Jo-ann" De-Luxe DJ M- Good semi-known £20 Superbs "Better get your own....." Dore 704 DJ M- £10 Artistics "Price of love" Brunswick DJ VG+ £8 Showmen "The honey house" DJ Swan Ex £8 Decisions "I can't forget about you" Ex A&M UK £15 Kennard Gardner "Do the skin" Dore VG+ [slight tear near centre hole] £5 Delta 67807 Entertainers IIII "People don't look no more" Ex DORE [delta 59379] £5 Lee Rogers "My one and only" M- D-Town DJ £8 Embers "It ain't necessary" Ex Bell DJ On reverse paper pressed into grooves but doesn't affect play i.e. no clicks £10 £1.50 should cover 1st class recorded mail. ROD

It gets clearer by the day! You are suffering from Cognitive Blame Displacement Syndrome. It's not Frank that's shite, it's Sunderland. ROD

FRANK WILSON ANSWER ME THIS DO YOU THINK DO I LOVE YOU SHOULD OF BEEN SUNG BY DAVID RUFFIN INSTEAD? Ha ah! So it's the vocal you object to, Baz? It does sound at times as if he's talking his way through it. I don't think you're that sure yourself. It's either a "very average" or "below average" Motown song. I'd settle for your latter very average assessment which considering the quality of the Motown product at the time infers it is of a certain standard. Maybe not the best but not the worst. The fact that you mention the catchy intro would also suggest it's an average [of it's type] Motown sound in that Berry liked his releases to be instantly recognisible for radio play. I think you've moved just a bit from "slab of shit". I tend to disregard kudus myself. I don't like antelopes at all as I find they never do their fair share of the washing -up. ROD

It's a great record but then there are [luckily] thousands of great Northern records. That's why the scene continues. To dismiss it as a "slab of shit", as Baz has, is I suggest a little less than objective and coloured by the baggage around it. However Im willing to be persuaded that this particular Motown 45 is a piece of crap in comparison to other Motown 45s of the period if Baz can put forward a rational defence of his particular view. ROD

Actually Davie I didn't. Pretty sure that was an early Wigan 45 from mid 70's. I got into soul in '68 via Radio Caroline playing odd Motown track and soon after into ska/ old Motown as a skinhead where I discovered the rarer end of the club scene in '69. It wasn't "Northern Soul" but it was the beginnings with the Tams,Tami Lynn,Elgins, Earl Van Dyke etc. I was well into the more obscure side [at the time stuff like Ric-Tic] of the music by the time Mr. Godin coined the phrase. Here is not the place to discuss the influence of the earlier Mod scene on the development of NS but whatever R&B influence there had been IMO didn't play any part in those early years from '69. It was a seperate genre and I can think of very few 45s you'd hear in a club [Little Sonny "Wade.." "Call on me" and couple of other Bobby Bland that were toward his more soul sounding side]. I guess we went for what I've seen as described as a more "Uptown" sound rather than the gritty Southern [in a lot of cases] R&B sound. Throughout those early years at the Junction, Torch, Mecca and beginning of Wigan I think that formulae was followed. Even the first influx of 70's sounds like Carstairs had that feel. Im guessing by alluding to Paul Anka [and you've got me there as I like and have it] you're pointing out the double standard of a traditionalist like myself drawing attention to TEF [and other what I'd term r'n'r/pop] getting plays and the absolute bobbins that got spun under the NS banner from disco at the Mecca to pop shite at Wigan but I and many others were just as vocal then in complaining about the dilution of the original ethos. That original sound IMO has formed the backbone of the NS scene for 40 years and has constantly been the nucleus around which that scene has re-invented itself in the face of others trying to impose their musical tastes and take it in another direction. From Stafford in the 80's to Burnley now there's always the few who get back to basics. I didn't mean to cause this furore but as somebody else mentioned it was things like TEF on the radio which I compared to first hearing Motown and made me think there was a whole lot more music out there. Reading the thread I was gobsmacked. I am happy to accept there is a flourishing R&B scene which has nothing to do with the NS/rare soul scene and maybe I shoulda not passed comment on something that I don't partake in but I am at a loss to understand why some R&B fans are jumping to the defence when I would have thought "Joe 90" at wigan and TEF at Middleton is exactly the same rather sad adulteration of something we care passionately about. Im sure Kid Mohair knows what he's doing but at 48 he wasn't around in those first years and wouldn't have the same attachment to those values. I noticed Joe did say it wasn't his personal cuppa tea but as I believe he runs the R&B room I'd be interested to hear what he had to say. ROD

Er... it was 4/4 Motown and Motownesque soul music. Not early 60's R&B, not rock'n'roll and certainly not Tennesseee Ernie Ford. Maybe you could explain to me and others like Dave Moore who are interested where exactly you think TEF fits in. My own view is that it doesn't because it has no link to Black soul music that I can discern. ROD

I'll have a listen to that after. tend to stick to "Be calm..." and "Angel baby" ROD

I think I know my stuff musically too hence my complete amazement, bafflement, and finally anger. It's not really what I signed up to all those years ago. A travesty of the original ethos. ROD

I think you've been done. That's a cowboy boot. The original and not this later Levine re-working is by Jimmy Dean who is now more famous in the USA for his large sausage. According to Kid Mohair this record is very similar to the Chandlers in that it is round with a large hole in the middle, which I guess is where Jimmy places his sausage. ROD

I just checked his Top Ten playlist. He has Steve Mancha & the Adorables "Champion the Wonder Horse" c/u at #3 ROD

Used to spend many a dinner hour in early 70's looking through Mazel's 45s outside the shop. Couple of years back in a junk shop somewhere down Exmouth way I found one of their sleeves and bought it for old time's sake. ROD

I am flabbergasted!!!!!!! There was another thread a while ago about "Hit the road Jack" Ray Charles. I'll have to have a word with my mum and see if she wants to double-deck with Kid Mohair. ROD

Of course it fitted into genre masquerading as R&B cos most of that's pop/rock'n'roll. I don't think the crowd would know a real R&B record if it came in, introduced itself, lifted up it's skirt and sat on their faces!!! As a bit of a closet TEF fan I suggest you search out "Catfish Boogie". Now that does have some small link to 50's R&B in that it swings. ROD

Yeah I kinda read this thread wrong as why DONT you go to allnighters in your 50's. I think D'arcy's argument threw me. It's not Beeks fault. According to him some dj called Kid Mohair played the Ford 45. Does anybody on here think TEF is in any way connected to Northern Soul. It's not even R&B but country/pop. What next? "Big bad John" Instead of calling it the R&B room you could re-name it "Family Favourites" and send out requests to the BFPO Massive. F**king Hell. No wonder I can't be arsed going anywhere and sitting through shit like that, soulful house, Beach music and all the other crap introduced by clueless wonders. ROD

I can answer in three words. Tennessee Ernie Ford. [see other thread.] Im 56 now. Been going since I was 18. There's been something seriously amiss for a few years now with real crap being played but Tennessee f**king Enie w**king Ford!!! My mum liked that. ROD

Checked my copy before posting last reply. Didn't even realise it was a demo. NOT FOR SALE and PLUG SIDE on label ROD

There are demos. Don't think it makes any difference really. ROD

That's a string of coincidences. The colours are exactly the same as those of my wife's old Waffen SS regiment. Her name is Barbara Clare and she thinks she was born to sing although she is tone-deaf and can't hold a note. So convinced of her prowess in this area she has just bought a karoake "thing" that plugs into the TV/DVD in time for her 50th birthday on Saturday and I can hardly wait. Im afraid there is not a chance of her kitchen cabinets being organised in any basic way as she tends to forget what she's bought, buys it again, stockpiles it so that when you do open the door to hopefully find something you get buried under an avalanche of tomato sauce bottles, tins of salmon and packets of icing sugar. She is into cooking programmes especially "Come dine with me" for which she has applied to take part, so we have every spice and seasoning known to man although she doesn't actually use them much apart from hot chilli or similar which can be quite disconcerting in her home-made apple pie. Im hoping she doesn't get to appear on the programme as she gets extremely flustered in the kitchen, blames me for not helping and generally turns into a raging psychopath. Still, I wouldn't swap her unless anyone does have a "Festival Time" on WDJ Ric-Tic which is a huge festering gap in my collection. ROD

Black,red and yellow!!!! Do you have a record collection or a small nuclear reactor!!! Way too garish. Still nice to hear we are of a similar outlook with a commitment to maintaining standards although my wife refers to it as a mixture of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with mild Aspergerger's Syndrome. She does work in Mental Health but as usually she has no idea what she's talking about I've disregarded her diagnosis. Of course the problem with alphabetical order is that you can immediately identify the gaping black holes in your collection which seem to increase with time and infect the surrounding 45s like a cancer until your box is no better than a vituperative weeping sore discharging puss.... Which reminds me. Must have a word with the wife about clinical depression. ROD

Why not cover your latest discovery as "Aaron Aardvark & the Amazers" thus ensuring that it's always at the front of the box for those of us who do it right and stick to an alphabetical arrangement. Those who don't are the lowest kind of pond life imaginable. And don't forget all records must be in white outer cardboard sleeves with inner colored paper sleeves. For instance "Detroit" must be red inners. Some choose green but they are laughingly wrong and deluded individuals who probably cannot be trusted with large amounts of money or your partner. 45s should be placed carefully in the sleeve with the title at the bottom in a straight line [a spirit level does come in handy] and all US releases should have 3-pronged middles inserted [in a "Y" shape] all aligned exactly the same. Once those basics of 45 maintenance are observed you can then accessorise with drapes or scatter cushions. I think a certain amount of "showing off" is involved in this thread but WTF. My first 15 Detroit 45s in box are, IMO predictibly and boringly because I can't afford to add to them, listed below Embers You can lump it ACT IV Larry Wright Sweet sweet kisses A GO-GO Danny Moore Somebody new ALL-RITE Johnnie Mae Matthews Lonely you'll be ART Gino Washington Like my baby ATAC Jack Montgomery Don't turn your back on me BARRACUDA Johnny Mae Matthews I have no choice BIG HIT Barbara Jean & Lyrics Why weren't you there BIG HIT Cynthia & Imaginary 3 That's what I am BIG HIT Falcons [im a fool] I must love you BIG WHEEL Betty Lavette Im holding on BIG WHEEL Falcons Love look in her eyes BIG WHEEL Falcons Love you like you never... BIG WHEEL Johnny Dixon Where are you BOSS Tokays Baby baby baby BRUTE

Obviously a UK boot with the title coming from the WVON albums [Good guys?] that were legit[?] US releases. What do you know about the latter,Bob. Think I might have seen two different but not sure now as a long time ago. ROD

According to TV guide today it's "Heatwave" and "Dancing in the Street" ROD

Im a bit confused now as altho you saw them for sale, supposedly first batch not available until Feb 2009. It wasn't just a promotional display then? You also mentioned "box set" which is actually how I read the original blurb. It looked to me like they were to be sold as sets of 5 45s making £25 each roughly. I don't know if that's right but your reference to "box set" looks like that's the case. I don't expect you to know for sure Andy but I wonder if anyone does. I mean it does also say £4.99 each which would suggest you could buy them individually. Some thought has obviously been given to the NS market but more with an eye on sales I guess than to actually cater intelligently to that niche. ROD