Modernsoulsucks

Dave,at your age the only thing you should run is a bath. I didn't really get the feeling that collectors were getting stick but the non-original colllectors were. As you say it's their choice and has no effect on what others do. I think maybe there's two things getting slightly confused on this thread. Those who have boots and in the case of Mr.Darcy's post those who wanna be famous which seems to have got equated with boots. Im sure there's plenty who wanna be famous who can afford the originals. Again it's nowt to do with the format, just the intention of those playing them. I see your point re. M&T and it's NOT been booted. So it must be the original guys who are to blame for that then!! It's bland pop and Im amazed that Mick's lapse gave an excuse for others to spin it. I wondered why I kept seeing it on Ebay as Northern Soul. It was everything we didn't like about the way Motown was going when I got into Northern. ROD

Hi Paul, just don't remember Alan Day or Martin Ellis subscribing to the Reithian philosophy to educate and inform!! ROD

I think Mr. Moore may well have his rosy-tinted Raybans on!!! First of all it is patently untrue that someone with a box comprising pressings etc who fancies dj-ing has less interest in the actual music. I seem to remember plenty of original collectors who were around and aren't anymore. So much for their passion and committment!! Also the djs and promoters of "yore" were not all in it with the purpose of expanding their knowledge base if my memories of the Torch are anything to go by. I think it was more to do with having a good time and what was happening in Philly didn't really come into it. History and legacy were extremely hazy and nebulous concepts in those days. You don't have to own a box full of pressings to be a follower. There are plenty of original only jocks who don't find their own records. Can I just say John Anderson here, or Dave Raistrick or John Manship. I've found a few in my time but only cos I was fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time. A fukcin monkey can do it!! I have no huge knowledge base or interest really beyond do I like the record. What is difficult is then getting some of these "I don't play boots or cheap 45s" brigade to actually buy and have faith in the new discoveries. Nearly had to force Richard to buy Flash McKinney off me a few years back. Im sure John Manship would have tales of being turned down on 45s that have gone on to be monstrous. No one is asking people with original collections to justify themselves but there's plenty of slagging off on here of guys playing boots. They just might be not as anal-retentive as us collectors and are quite happy spending their money on other things. I am not defending here guys who puposely set out to VC their way to fame but all those fans around the country who want to do a spot at their local night with their 45s that happen to be pressings. Finally, dropping Marvin and Tammi IMO is NOT NOT a good example in my book. Pop schmaltz. And that's imaginative - do me a favour!! "Hey Rod, play me something different or left-field" It ain't gonna feature in my top 30,000!! I would agree with Dave only in that Bettye Swann, Sharon Jones and Nicle whatever deserved to be broken on the dancefloor. It's nice to see Pete Smith being taken seriously at last. ROD PS I feel I am entitled to put my views across cos I know that "....in the groove..." is on one of those Motown thingys.

Des,I thought I'd agreed with you there, my point being that it was OK in the past but no excuse to bore your audience just because you've spent all your money on the same top tunes as others and then find yourself with no back-up to rely on when the same tunes are spun on whatever format. As I said "chasing and playing the same 45s". If I wanted to dj then I don't think going out and spending vast sums on say Lenny Curtis,Salvadores or whatever and then being caught out when someone else plays a boot or an original first is the best approach. If you can afford to amass a dj spot and classic collector oldies then fine but there is a difference in the two IMO, and if you wanna make it then you gotta be ahead of the game. ROD

And another thing, next time you're stood there with Mr.Boot waiting to go on, don't treat him with disdain or as a social outcast and slap on your rarest 45 to make a point. With all tact it should be possible to maybe spin something worth peanuts in relation to the £30 he's just spent on Salvadores boot to illustrate that there's more to rare soul than just a high price tag and follow my leader. ROD

No John always said he was black Simon. Tim started this "honky" stuff off when he belatedly reviewed it in Manifesto about 3 years after we all started playing it I found this in a shop in Asheville,NC around late 80's/early 90's and sold it to Richard for £8 as it kinda fitted in with that Parker's thing he had going. Think I had a couple more too around the time that someone in Manchester area must have got. it was reasonably popular I think so I was surprised to read it's a recent play. A nice Mint promo and I was wondering why there weren't more oddball promos knocking about until about 5 years later when I went back with Alex Jones and we found the secret room which must have been blocked off previously. ROD

Unaccustomed as I am to making pertinent points I do think some of you have got just a bit hung -up on this boot/VC thing. If you like the music but would rather not spend vast sums on the originals, I can see nothing wrong with that. I take Bearsy's point about the excitement of obtaining the original and I feel exactly the same way but he admits to buying boots early on in his development and now with hindsight he says it was an empty experience. Im sure Im not the only collector on here who also started off with a mixture of formats and I can remember buying the Eddie Parker boot back when it was massive at the Torch and it was extremely pleasurable to be able to play this at home. Still looking for a Mint original if anyone can help. I also buy those 45s issued here that don't have an original US release and get as much pleasure from those as I do some elusive want arriving. I do agree that this is a rare soul scene but I'd contend that it refers to the music and not the format. As for dj-ing. If someone gets their kicks from playing boots etc as long as they sound OK and the crowd enjoys it what does it matter. I do dj occasionally Simon and those who've had the misfortune to be there can testify that I take a lot of 45s with me. If I got asked for the Kitchen Sink I'd probably have it with me!! So, someone coming on and playing an hour of boots [say 30 45s] isn't going to affect me. I try to play 45s that aren't booted anyway. I also take the point made by whoever about repitition during a night as regards Joanne Courcy but can remember in the early days when you'd hear loads of 45s like Sweet Things, Glories,Younghearts,Tempos etc played a few times a night but we didn't mind. Obviously 30-odd years on there's more tracks to go at and there's no excuse if you are boring your audience. I hope Im not wrong but I didn't think Joanne had been booted/issued. So the problem,if there is one, is not the easy availibility of boots but unimaginative djs who with all the wealth of stuff available are just chasing and playing the same 45s. However I would qualify that by saying if I'd just got a Courcy I might spin it too but I would make sure I'd not heard it on the night being hammered. So, a pretty chilled outlook there I think. What I can't fukcing stand , and Im thinking of a dj round here albeit a few years ago, who played a set comprising a mish-mash of Y2k R&B, House, old R&B, 70's, and odd 60's that were obviously all easily available, popular with their respective fan base and he'd just gone out and bought the popular tunes and thrown them altogether. It was horrendous and he went down rather well, which shows how much I know about the art of keeping the floor happy. ROD

If you would, the Conquistadors please as I did bid on it but outbid at £254 which was my limit. Just wondered what it ended up at. Thanks a lot. ROD

Who spent 2K on a bootleg!! It's like the Masons on here with all the secrecy. I've rolled up my trouser leg, can someone enlighten me. ROD

Simon, that's only because they're not worth booting!!!! Mark, I agree with everything you said. I was thinking of the hypothetical Del-Larks dilemna. I took that example to mean that you have a very rare original worth a lot of money that the dj has spent time ,effort or money acquiring and he can't play it because someone just spun the boot, and he's gutted. I'd just ask why in 2007 a dj would think that his spot is compromised when he could play something else if like you he was a collector with a depth to his playbox, and of course bearing in mind that we have all heard the Del-Larks quite a few times. ROD

I wouldn't play boots personally but if you're a dj and your spot can be decimated by someone playing pressings before you isn't it time for you to freshen up your own playlist? Just play something that hasn't been booted? ROD

My date stamp says 31 Dec but year bit musn't have imprinted as it's just a small smudge. ROD

I gotta agree with Boba that grading 45s correctly is a thing of the past on here and on Ebay. $ signs cloud the vision and you can end up with anything. Without wishing to get involved in the Dave and Bearsy little problem, all I can say is there is a world of difference between VG++ [which is USA equivalent of UK Excellent and should be not that far from Mint apart from odd scuffs or light mark or two] and VG- which is basically fcuked!! As a seller for 12 years I stood behind whatever I sold and to be honest never had a problem really. ROD

' Or the Stanislavskian-system, where the singer creates a believable emotional character inside a naturalised world by drawing on a fund of emotions from previous experience eg. Sam Dees 'Fragile Handle With Care.' Too much time on your hands I think. Whatever part Sam utilising and recalling his own feelings played in the performance of this track to give a more heartfelt performance, it still sounds like plodding disco to me. Now if Marlon Brando had cut a version of "Mumbling words". I believe he almost gave up the acting to join a group and always regretted it. It's often said he could have been a Contender but lacked the edge. ROD

i thought we were the alternative to a normal life? Im not sure where you've got that from. I'd guess most of us are leading very normal lives apart from the abiding interest in soul music but that can be said of any person or group with an over-riding passion or interest. Disappointments do arise when things don't fit in with how we see things. I know I was completely underwhelmed by the Motown tour in Detroit where my mother could have done a better job than the guy showing me around, but that doesn't mean that the roof is falling in on everything that we hold dear. ROD

I don't think anyone is slagging off the play as such Paul. I think it's more a matter of one's interests. I have no desire to go to a theatre to see something I lived through anyway.In fact the theatre doesn't appeal to me at all ,a fact I put down to being forced to see "A Midsummer's Night's Dream" and "Macbeth" when I was at school. I may be wrong but I can't see it being educational or informative to me personally and if I want entertainment,then there's music, fishing and sci-fi. My wife went,as did her friends and they all enjoyed it and I got a bit of stick for not going with them. However, it's me who has the decent Northern 45 collection and not them. £10 ticket or £10 45, I'd take the latter everytime. I see my mate Mark enjoyed it a lot but I hope he doesn't mind me saying this but due to his tender years and geographical location he didn't get to go up to Wigan on a regular basis like myself, where it was just 30 minutes up the road. Whether the things Shane mentions are naff or cheesy is neither here nor there as we all have personal choice. ROD

Proof there John that great and not so great minds do think alike!! It deffo was a 60's compilation and I can see the cover in my mind. Those rectangles with artist and title. No idea of issue date as I don't have it but maybe 67/68 as Dave suggests. I also seem to remember that it did get played once or twice at the Torch off that album along with Isleys and R.Dean Taylor which were off albums. I did have the LP then. Whilst on Motown LP tracks, and bearing in mind current threads, I don't know if anyone has mentioned Stevie Wonder "Be calm be cool" offa "Down to Earth". Maybe more Northern than Motown? ROD

Slightly hazy on this but Im sure big time Motown LP collectors will know. The Temps track is also on one of those UK 60's compilations of "hits" but I forget which one. This would lead me to believe that maybe UK Motown were at one stage thinking of issuing it as a 45. ROD

Leon since unsubscribing I've had no more emails, no nutters and no one accessing any of my accounts. The Yahoo group thing looked legit when I compared it to a couple my wife belongs to. ROD

Dave think you're being a bit paranoid there. Since I unsubscribed I've had no further emails, whilst previously I'd had around 10, and won't the spam filter keep out the unsolicited rubbish. Not that I pay any attention to such offers of penis extentions etc but you know what women are like with bargain offers. Clare now has a 97 foot penis but at least that leaves me free to go fishing and watch TV. ROD

Im getting them as well or I was. I've just unsubscribed. Go to bottom of email and click on "unsubscribe" and send email. You'll get one back asking you to confirm that you don't want to be part of the yahoo group. Hopefully that will work. I can't believe that I know a bit more about this sort of thing than some of you on here. I thought I was a Luddite!!! ROD

Yes I have it. ROD

Purple issue and although it's years since I've seen my mate in LA's copy, Im reasonably sure his was gold coloured!! ROD

Apologies to anyone interested but Im a bit late posting the results up but I was notifying the winners and typing with one finger takes some time!! Results:- Danny Monday £550 ANONYMOUS Little Nicky Soul £1025 ANONYMOUS Trannells £2050 DEADWOOD D.C.Blossoms £1030 PETER RICHER Eddie Daye £1245 J.C. James Lately £1500 KEITH MONEY George Lemons £1200 JOHN PARKER Posted winners so losers can see it was above board. Two people wished to remain anonymous. Thanks to all who showed interest. ROD

As promised here are latest bids:- Danny Monday £510 Little Nicky Soul £1025 Trannells £2000 D.C.Blossoms £1000 Eddie Daye £900 James Lately £1500 George Lemons £1200 I will give the names [or user names] of the winning bidders tomorrow. Thanks ROD