Modernsoulsucks

"I think you mean 7 minutes" My wife's answer to James Fountain ROD

I didn't really notice much different this weekend. I don't buy anything like the numbers you do,Pete but I got IMO 3 nice 45s in Mintish condition for just under £55 inc postage. Renaldo Domino SMASH WDJ Marvin Smith BRUNSWICK "Fading memories" YDJ Superbs "....Buddy" DORE 704 DJ I know they're not exactly the most in-demand titles around but again IMO they're quality records that are not readily available over here. Brownie's guide has them in total at £115 and JM's site has regular issues of Domino and Smith for £60 [plus postage] in total. So don't think I'll be getting worried just yet. Still a good place to pick up nice 45s at a price probably cheaper than in the UK. I was the only bidder on all these 45s. I have lost that Domino 45 before now for higher than the $19.99 I paid so from my perspective it looks like bidding is falling off. ROD

I'd forgot about that Bob!! You woulda been so disappointed if you'd won it. ROD

I have it on Blue D-Town,Baz but can't do clips. I think "pretty dire" sums it up. Uptempo and very white sounding. Kinda Reflections on a bad day. Very difficult to find though; took me years. You're missing nothing ROD

Had a look at auction and still showing $5260. I notice it's Burl'one. Bought a VG+ Terrifics offa him once. Completely knackered. Did get my money back though with no quibble but IMO grading maybe not one of his strong points. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with bid record. Im assuming third bidder #5 had his maximum bid just over $5,000 and both "snipes" from #'s 1 and 6 had been set also over that. Any idea what it did sell for then. $5160? ROD

I don't know about a good method for the younger DJ. First you gotta amass your hot box. Any idea of outlay required? ROD

Mark, Im pretty sure it means selling whatever is not a new hot title and with the money buying whatever is in demand with the DJs and probably insanely expensive. So classic oldies out the window, popular but played out newies bye-bye and limited shelf-life for anything left. If I may say something like used to happen years ago. I guess someone like Sam uses this method to a degree. I think he's swapped oldies with John M in the past for something current, or a good unknown. It's not really going to appeal to someone who likes the music,collects the 45s and wants to keep them IMO ROD

Obviosly it's not your fault. Were you the seller then? What happened to winning an auction and paying up, committed to buying under Ebay policy etc ROD

Hold on a minute. Hootenannie could you just clarify your recent post. Are you saying it didn't sell at $5,000+ because the winning bidder refused to pay due to "difference" in bids. What does that mean? ROD

No apology necessary Bogue. I think I've come to completely the opposite conclusion to you based on my observations. I did say that there aren't "vast " quantities of a lot of 45s about but I do think there are copies around to fill demand unless a title suddenly takes off. Those Wells 45s on Popsike all had less than 20 bids, in fact 2 had less than 10. Even if we assume that all those bids were different bidders it's still not that many. 20 copies would fill the demand evident from those bidding with copies to spare. I know not everybody is on Ebay but I think a large percentage of collectors are on it. I wonder if you're overestimating demand. I'd also say that I think people are having to sell 45s to buy other 45s. You only have to look at the ads on here which often say they need to sell quickly to buy something else. Coupled with say Pete S who has written before about a general slow down in sales, surprise expressed frequently on here at prices attained on some auctions, and I get the impression that the average collector is getting a lot more careful when spending money. ROD

Hi Bogue, yes I know you were surprised at the end price and I thought you were referring to 1966 as NOT being a reason for the final OTT figure IMO. I did refer to the thread and did not mean that you were talking it up. There have been quite a few Bobby Wells on Ebay since I got mine and according to Popsike last 1966 issue went for £30 in Dec 06. There are actually only 3 sales listed on Popsike for this 45 and my transaction isn't there so I now realise that this site does not list every sale. There are 4 Cecil Washington's listed. I don't think that points to Bobby Wells being rarer than Cecil Washington!! I take your point that cheaper 45s are not around in vast quantities and assume from that it is demand and not availibility or rarity that drives prices. I guess I get my idea of a fair price from my experience over last 35 years of selling 45s. Obviously £4.99 for Cliff Nobles is miles under the going rate. "Buy it now" I assume rather than an auction? Before I joined this site I was surprised at what some 45s were fetching but after joining I realised that what people talk about on here often reflects on Ebay prices. Hence my comment abouty "talking up" records. Finally going back to Bobby Wells and Popsike there is a listing for "Be that...." on FULLER for $180 back in 2005. At the risk of talking that up, I've never seen that!! ROD

A '66 issue? So's mine and it was £30 off Ebay a few months back. I seem to remember a recent thread about this on here. The curse of Soul Source. Talking up common -ish 45s. ROD

I've got Gordon Berry but it's SPORT 103 as is Tony Daniels. Same song exactly credited to different artists. All my titles are issues except Masterkeys 109 ROD

I had no idea that Wellington's reputation had been sullied in this manner. Without his military genius we'd be listening to Sacha Distel and watching Jerry Lewis films with French subtitles. Actually no; we'd be listening to oompah bands and watching Italian films with German subtitles cos we woulda surrended in 1940. You are no student of History,Sirrah, and you failed to mention carpets so it's your argument that's floored. ROD

"Whoever you imagine this "good authority" to be, you're obviously hearing voices that aren't actually there. I suggest you seek urgent treatment - and while you're at it get some of that "dead wax" out of your ears!" I may have inadvertently in my choice of modern soul fans given the impression that as a whole I considered them to be sociopaths out of touch with reality and lacking a sense of humour. I can now see from Mel's reply that I was wrong and I apologise. However, I have noticed that the last two letters of Steve Plumb's surname can be interpreted as standing for Murderous Bastard. I've read the Da Vinci Code and even if Mr.Plumb can prove Im at error in this deduction that trace of doubt must linger. Coupled with Arthur Fenn, the Noxious Ninja I am beginning to see a pattern emerging, with the help of the mushrooms, that bears further investigation. As a warm fuzzy 60's fan I would point out that last two letters of my own surname, Shard, undoubtably stand for Rogering Debbie, a much more enjoyable experience than the alternate David or Derek. Yet again conclusive proof I feel that the 60's was here before the 70's unless you're travelling backwards in time like that judge on the X-files who was accused of murdering his wife but it was that Mexican hoodlum who'd done it to get back at the judge for sending the Mexican's brother to jail where he unfortunately committed suicide. A classic if slightly irrelevant for the purposes of this post. ROD

I have it on good authority that Pol Pot, Martin Bormann, Attila the Hun and Doctor Crippen were all modern soul fans, whilst St. Francis of Assissi, Mother Theresa, Albert Schweitzer and the Duke of Wellington preferred the sounds of the 60's. I don't think you can argue with that and hopefully this concludes any further debate. Thank you ROD

Didn't this come out here on Bell around 1968. I coulda sworn I'd played "Dang me" and it sounded like C&W. Am I mixing it up with something else? ROD

Only in the scale of the operation Sebastian. You're still selling bootlegs which are illegal. I've done it too. Bought a collection and sold the pressings off. Im sure most people on here have at least once. Im not sure how many titles Amnesia have done. I usually see up to 5 or 6 at a time when listed on Ebay. To use your drug analogy, I think they go after individual sellers all the time and users as well. ROD

For Bazza and Billy I hate to blow my own trumpet but I did find that Curtis in Midwestern Distributors,St. Louis sometime in 79/80 and sold it to Richard. It was part of my cunning plan to discredit modern soul for all time so Im a bit perturbed to see that it's regarded as a classic by some nowadays. Would it have been a new release then. The place operated a "Disco Pool" and I remember all these Black DJs coming in and listening to a Sugar Hill release. I think it was "Birthday Party". With hindsight I shoulda brought that back and sold it to Richard instead!! ROD

. "Why did South Wales Police (CID), the Fraud Squad and investigators from Trading Standards suddenly get involved???" Is it because the potential loss of revenue to the record company is a serious threat to public order and undermining the very basis of our liberal democracy? Just a wild guess. Pete, I know Paul is doing his job and I did mention he was "on the case". I just think some of the other contributions to this debate have been hysterical and selective. As I said what's the difference to Amnesia selling boots, and the "2nd presses" on sale on this site now, from the point of view that the artists etc don't see a penny. Personally, none in my book so I don't understand why Amnesia is the Devil incarnate and everybody else is just selling 45s that aren't original or whatever justification is used. Im pretty sure if I were to go through Ebay I could find a lot of sellers who have sold boot after boot with the only difference being that they didn't press them up as well. Does nobody else think that if you were in Amnesia's shoes you'd not be too happy about what looks like a double standard to me. ROD

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-THE-SK...1QQcmdZViewItem https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/THE-GROUP-FT-CECIL-W...1QQcmdZViewItem https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-SMOKE-...1QQcmdZViewItem https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-RECORD...1QQcmdZViewItem I have no idea whether Rob has an axe to grind on this subject but I certainly don't. As I've said on other threads I DONT buy boots. However there are hundreds of people selling boots and buying boots everyday of the week. Without the customers there is no profit at all. OK, Amnesia is high profile right now but I think Paul is on his case and IMO it is a complete OTT reaction to keep pointing the finger at this guy. The four links were found within 2 pages of UK Ebay. What is Paul doing about these guys or is it OK to steal a very very small amount and Amnesia just got too greedy. ROD

Alan, Im kinda partial to Mint copies of things so I've no idea what Ex is as it varys from seller to seller. No marks, no scuffs and no WOL or writing on/damage to sleeves and Im interested. Chris,don't get down to Manchester much but will check them out next time Im there. Thanks for that. ROD

Pete,so how much is that Mint Techniques? I have Heptones on re-issue album but want UK 45 only. I accept everybody's point about condition of a lot of reggae from way back. However, when I actually collected it from 69-71 there were hundreds and hundreds of cheap Mint copies knocking around Manchester and surrounding areas for 2 bob, so someone somewhere may have this stuff. Another I'd like is Sensations "Baby Love". ROD

Anybody have Mint copies of anything at all on French MOTOWN ep's. I have #'s 535,537 and 501. Also bit of a long shot. These reggae 45s in Mintish on UK issue if released:- Techniques Queen Majesty Uniques My conversation Heptones Ting-a-ling Any pointers to dealers who specialise in 60's reggae appreciated. Finally anyone with a spare WDJ of Perigents "Love's on the Rampage" in Mint. Is that about £50? ROD

It's not the Stoppers is it Or maybe something by Naturals called "la da.... something or other. Or that Devotions but isn't that more Dum de dum. ROD