Modernsoulsucks

As I am that well-respected, charismatic, babe-magnet of a 60's collector to whom Stuart refers I am pretty certain I did not throw a wobbler on hearing Ronnie Walker at the Mecca. To my recollection the only time I was really miffed was when Levine played Gloria Gaynor "Never can say goodbye" early doors and Francis T. skipped across the floor to let Levine know that he had plumbed new depths!! To further illustrate this monstrous calumny, John, are you aware that I actually discovered Curtis [Midwest Distributors, St. Louis] so I know a catchy Modern 45 when I hear it. Modesty only prevents me from mentioning that I also discovered True Image "Im not over you yet". Oh shit!! My fave modern tracks which I own in my modern box not far from where Im sitting now are Ty Karim Romark and Elvin Spencer Twinight, and Velvelettes "Needle in a haystack" My choice of "modernsoulsucks" is really a not very articulate frustrated cry as I feel that lately modern[anything from 70's oldies to current R&B] and earlyR&B are pushing 60's Northern to one side in this particular area. It's gotta stop!! So thank you Stuart for putting me in it and I can only put this down to jealousy on your part as I am neither ginger nor Scottish. ROD

COD will PM later after work. Steve, as you know "collecting" is a euphemism for buying cheaper 45s when you can't actually afford the expensive ones. I still have some pride so at least Im not collecting "soulful house". I reckon that Ady guy down in London ought to play more "soulful house" to attract young people or that 100 Club will just be a flash in the pan. And Butch's spot would benefit greatly if he just "dropped" the odd track in that genre. Notice "dropped" which is a "yoofemism" proving Im down with the groovey young hipsters instead of still wearing hipsters [remember those?] ROD

Melvin Davis "This love was meant to be" MALA DJ Puffs "I only cry once a day now" DORE Whispers "The Dip" DORE Must be Mint-ish condition. Still need:- 4 Tops "Baby I need your lovin" USA Motown Temps "The way you do...." USA Gordy Would be interested in any Dore 45s really, depending on price, as Im thinking of collecting label.Only have Fi-dels, LJH "Oh how I love you" and "Go for what you know". Thanks ROD

Not with the way my luck's going on Ebay. I'd probably be outbid!!

Yes, it was in reply to the threat of your impending spot. £20,000 prize although up against stiff competition in the form of a collection of size 13 shoes. Maybe £600 Million per year in Government Arts funding plus 2 Billion through lottery grants since that started. Then private sponsorship and awards like the Turner Prize. Of course it provides jobs. Bet ya that guy who sells the tickets at the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool is on a good screw. How are the guys in Manchester selling the Big Issue. Still one every hundred yards? And that Save the Children are a nuisance always asking me to give more. I wonder where we could possibly get some extra cash to tackle some of these problems. Better ask the chattering classes really cos they know where the priorities lie. Here's one of the panel, Yinka Shonibare [?], who awarded the prize " a nostalgic recreation of a moment in the history of rave; an audience going dancing, the rituals involved in that, the group euphoria" Obviously not been to Whalley and Billington Brass Band Club on a wet Friday In March. Did you see those old films from beginning of 1900's shown on TV recently where the people were in awe of seeing themselves depicted on screen. I would have sworn they'd all be dead by now but maybe not. Some primitive cultures objected to being used and photographed. They said it took their souls. I think they were probably right. ROD

Im breathless with anticipation although more likely to be emphysema. ROD

Well you would say that wouldn't you as probably the only person here to appear with Bernard Levin. Read it in the Guardian yesterday and today.What on earth for!!?? Anyway next time at Whalley and Billington Brass Band Club we've got Melvyn Bragg spinning some of his favourite oldies and Damien Hirst is going to saw a copy of Al Williams in half and then auction it on Ebay as VG+. JumpingJoan Bakewell will not be appearing as she's promoting her new Northern Price Guide. ROD

I went to one on Sunday. I left Johnny Dynamite boot for 30p and Gloria Lynne LP on Paul Winley label inc "Tower of Strength" for £1. Both in Mintish nick. Should I have left them or am I too fussy. ROD

Ivor, I'll offer £175 so you have now a base figure. Maybe this forum ain't the place to sell it and you'd be better off giving Ebay a go at Set Sale cos you'd reach more buyers. ROD

Baz Im afraid Soulfulsaint is Scottish and ripe for the picking by a Manchester wideboy like myself. As I've only ever seen a Baby Luv copy on Ebay once I think and my mate's in LA maybe £400 isn't that dear. I know Stu's had his since mid-70's at least. Was it broken then ,Stu. Im just trying to help an old mate but if you can come up with a couple of Mint copies on Baby Luv you can work out a deal with Stu and you can have my Era copy plus £300.

He won't get rid without an Era replacement. Was on Ebay a lot until recently but appears to have dried up now. I can only suggest that if you have a chance of Era copy let me know before you buy it and I'll get in touch with him to see if he'd do a deal. I reckon Era copy and £300 plus broken copy should clinch it. I know broken copy seems odd but he's a collector and would want it for "reference"!! He has about 60% of the Paris 45 for reference. Quite excited when I saw it until I took it out of the sleeve. ROD

Stu, if you had an Era copy and some money I'll ask my mate if he would do a deal. I'd say his copy was Ex nick. I think you can't be that choosey with some 45s.Think it would have to be a decent amount of cash to get it offa him though.Or he prefers Detroit 45s if you have anything along those lines. Most are Northern he wants but some are not that popular over here eg Bobbie Downs on Correctone,Young Sirs on Magic City. ROD

Hey Baz, in relation to other R&B/70's topic I cleared the floor with this about 5 years ago in Burnley......... cos it wasn't Charles Sheffied or NF Porter I think. Hence my rather cynical view of the way things are going around here. Altho it is very popular now I guess. ROD

To Newer04 I PM'd you. Thanks. To Stevie Z I had that Melvin Davis on tape off Koppell back in early 80's. Awful. Should be on Ka-Ka!! I have Gambrells DJ thanks already. Needed another for a mate which I now have. Still need the 2 x US Motowns and the good Melvin Davis which you obviously don't have and tried to hide the fact by mentioning the other inferior recording coupled with a flippant dig at my crossword skills. Is it any wonder that you're sat at home instead of headlining the NY soiree and hobnobbing with the international elite. Have to go. Concord is picking me up in 30 minutes. Regards ROD

I now have Gambrells [thanks Paul]. Still need the 2x Motown 45s. I'd like to add:- Melvin Davis "This love was meant to be" on Mala [is it?] DJ copy Mintish please. Ta ROD

Too poppy for me. Sounds like Belle and the Devotions or similar UK pop-soul. Sorry ROD

Most collectors I know, including myself, think their collections are bobbins!! That's why you're always on the look-out for the next 45 to add in there hoping that it will make the difference. It doesn't of course. ROD

https://cgi.ebay.com/This-is-a-must-have-fo...1QQcmdZViewItem A bargain!!

Anybody got a copy of "Jive Talk" in Mintish nick and how much. Also still looking for :- Temps The way you.... Gordy orig label design 4Tops Baby I need ... Motown US Both need to be Mintish. I now have Darlings [thanks Keith] and Topics [thanks Ritchie] Ta ROD

Chris Hamilton "I've got to have your love" on Bell 663 ? First line is "Smile at me as you walk by" Just a guess. ROD

Isn't that the one with the lilac cover? Dop you have that,Dave. ROD

The thing is Ady that I didn't want to enter into an argument about the relative merits of Dave's contribution to soul music in the UK. We are all well aware of the pioneering work he did with the Tamla Motown Appreciation Society and his Soul City label. I was merely questioning his involvement with the Northern Scene and the impact his B&S articles had on me at the time. In my own clumsy way I was attempting to forestall any disagreement by mixing Nietzsche with Jack Nitzche's work as arranger with Phil Spector to add a little levity. Obviously the £24.99 I spent on the hardback edition of " The Use of Humour to Relieve Political and Social Stress" by Stan Boardman was money down the drain. By even referring to Nietzsche I was trying to make the point that at the time his columns came across as rather Reithian in attitude with erudition for the sake of it rather than to explain and inform. We did have schools up here in the North, albeit attached to t'local cotton mill where we were taught basics of reading,rithmetic, and Media Studies so we were quite capable of independent thinking. By the time I remember reading those columns the scene here had already developed beyond a predominantly Motown base and was fully fledged. Dave didn't put us on the map, he merely pointed out where we were for those who might be interested. Reading back through the thread I think Dundee Davie and Consdad have both overestimated the contribution Dave Godin made to the scene. If we are handing out plaudits to to our continuing involvement and the scene's longevity then IMO look no further than John Anderson. The term "Northern Soul" is a classic invention but let's not confuse the term with the actual scene. As Sean said earlier I thought it was merely a geographical reference to where it was mainly taking place. In Town Mikey's evocative piece could still be written if Dave had not coined that phrase and we all have contributed to those memories. Dave was a sometime peripheral observer. Im no way denigrating Dave the guy as I never met him. I like animals. Some of them are very tasty. Im interested in film and as a part-time screen writer I did contribute the line "Im feeling very wet" to "Singing in the Rain". By coincidence they used my exact same line in "Debbie does Dallas" but in an entirely different context. ROD

Great fun this morning whistling loudly and banging kitchen cupbord doors whilst making her sign a cheque for £22.50 to cover the cost of 7th Wonder. She had a fantastic headache and skipped work. I really tried hard not to be smug but with the horrors of Saturday night still in my mind I couldn't help it. Kisty, it was smacking bottoms etc that got me into this mess in the first place!! I wouldn't trade her for the world really. Al Williams on a demo, take her away. Thanks to kind thoughts of all fellow sufferers. Maybe we should form a support group or at least have a whip round to hire a stunt double when required. ROD

Im still shaking!!! She is now passed out on the couch. I'd like to say it's cos Im an animal but too much wine. ROD

Advice arrived too late but at least it's over for another year. ROD