Modernsoulsucks

Have we had this yet.

Good to hear you are now sorted Raresoulnet. Kris, had a look at that. Slightly complicated as you seem to be mixing play and visual grades. I mean a M- 45 cant be M- if it hisses all the way through. It's VG or less. I think you expect a certasin sound quality anyway from the visual grade but I will take that on board cos you've obviously put some thought into it. And yes Richard PM me with it. Less work I have to do the better. ROD

I am thinking about this grading scale and will post probably tomorrow for all of you to comment and hopefully after a bit of tinkering we can reach agreement. I think after that it will be up to individual sellers to state something along the lines of these 45s are graded as per site guidelines. If they don't, exercise caution. As for scratched 45s. One scratch means VG not nearly Mint apart from the scratch. As some have said a few words after the actual grade go a long way. ROD

There's this from Marvelettes which was massive back in '73 or so Or this from Temptations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiT4oiVMbi4 No YT clips of these but can recommend Chris Clark "Born to love you baby" which is similar in feel to McNair's "You're gonna love my baby". Also Isleys "Trouble" off that Regal-Starline LP. May be on "Behind a painted Smile" LP too. Not sure as don't have a copy. ROD

I think we should all bear in mind that the vast majority of deals go through here without a hitch. Especially if you buy off me [reprimanded myself for a blatant off-topic plug] Most of the instances referred to above are to do with grading rather than non-receipt of records. However where that leads to refusal to refund it is a matter of concern. Buyers should read the "fine print" so to speak and check whether sellers accept returns and it is so stated. Sellers should ALWAYS state that, if they are professional in their approach and provide good customer service. Since becoming the mod for sales I have had to intervene on three occasions [Raresoulnet is now the fourth] since end of September. In two of those it was sorted but then the reasons were not down to dishonesty. The only problem outstanding Im aware of [and Spacehopper Im not psychic so please feel free to PM me if you want back-up when you feel you're getting nowhere] is that of the Seller Soulful Illusion on here. Some of you have no doubt seen Wilxy's posts about this. If this seller does not sort this out he will NOT be posting further sales ads. So let's not overestimate the problem. There are not loads of people "conning and robbing" members. There are isolated instances which I will do my best to deal with if you only report them to me at the time. ROD

This topic has obviously widened out somewhat. If I could just address Gainsoul's point [and Gainsoul you need to post an introduction to upgrade from BOOT to MINT. I'll PM with details later should you be unsure how to do that]. Transcations on here are between members and where there is a dispute the first recourse is for members to sort it out between themselves, as stated in the Sales guidelines. As the forum moderator I can only get involved if the matter is either reported to me or I notice negative feedback has been left. I check regularly. The assumption is,Gainsoul,that members are honest and trustworthy and that matters can be sorted amicably. I can only try to help after the fact. Since September, and my rigged election to this high office, I have got involved on a few occasions and most have been sorted out. Where it becomes evident that there is an element of "rip-off" there is no intention of allowing those sellers to continue selling on here to protect against future complaints and to preserve the reputation of the sales forum as a safe place to buy or sell records. Whilst it is true that the site cannot guarantee that it can force a resolution or get you your money back from a dishonest seller I don't see that as any different from such as Ebay. In fact I'd say there is more scrutiny on here than on Ebay. There are some outside protections for those using the site. For instance if you pay by Paypal which is why members are advised to look into paying by "GIFT" where those safeguards may not be in place. The bottom line is that I cannot take any action if I don't know about it. Boba may not be happy with his deal but this is the first I've known about it and I assume he came to some arrangement with the seller. If not he could have got in touch with me to see if I could help. As for Pete's suggestion re a grading policy I could come up with something as I was a record dealer for some years and am pretty strict as to condition. It may require a bit of sorting so we're all on the same page. For instance Pete's VG++ estimation in this case. To me that is a US grade which means almost Mint. The Cameron 45 is somewhere between a VG and a VG+; more than average wear due to many fine scuffs. If anyone [George,Boba,Pete?] wants to PM me with their suggested grading scale I'd be happy to look at it and hopefully come up with something we all can agree upon. As to other points. Like MissGoldie I have no idea what "polishing" is, especially as regards to US 45s. I assume this is a variety of techniques. I know the "hotwater" treatment" on UK EMI 45s and that's it. Finally as regards grading, and this is not an excuse for those who overgrade, it does depend on what light you look at the 45 in. It may be that some sellers are not aware of this which when coupled with wishful- thinking leads to inaccurate descriptions. ROD

Here's a couple Stevie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUiPww-m5uc Martha Mary Billy [Handbagger's Delight] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyaelWs_p88 ROD

Speaking as the sales forum moderator I would hope that any seller on here would stand behind what they sell and accept returns for a refund where the buyer is not happy. There is the feedback facility to leave negative comments where the deal falls short of what is to be expected. Of course that is scant consolation if the seller is avoiding sorting the matter out. If Raresoulnet and Kevinsoulman would PM me with the details I'd be grateful. And if anyone has problems in the future with sellers or buyers that they are unable to settle I would like to know. I may not be able to force a resolution but it may be that I can prevent it happening to other members where either party is not fulfilling their reasonable obligations. Gasher, You've told that story so many times I'm getting nightmares about it. ROD

Moldie, He only joined two days ago. Bit early for the Bumper Xmas Russ Abbott joke book, isn't it? ROD

I found this around Sept 79 [so a newish release] in Midwest Distributors in St. Louis. Sold it to Richard on my return as part of my cunning plan to undermine the modern scene from within. Judging from the number of people who don't like the sound effects I reckon the plan is slowly reaching fruition. ROD

Here is a 45 you don't hear much that kinda reminds me of Charades or High keyes in that it's one of those whole kitchen-sink type production/arrangements and it's much cheaper. Think I read once they went on to become Fifth Dimension. What was that about? Bloody hippies. "Good morning starshine...." NO! Good morning soap and get a wash and a haircut.

Any enquiries about availability please contact Anglo-American direct please. https://www.raresoulv...=SALES+LIST+559 WEEKLY AUCTION UPDATE Mamie Galore SACK £610 Jesse Fisher SOJAMM £400 No bids Clarence Townsend CLARA £590 Ty Karim ROMARK £1510 Old [M]Pressions BROOKS BROTHERS £350 Detroit Executives GM ACETEATE £200 Annette Archibald SWIFT £425 Ernie Johnson ARTCO £1500 No bids Nelson Sanders RAMBLER £400 No bids Betty Wilson DAYCO £625 Tamiko Jones GOLDEN WORLD [issue] £550 J.T. Rhythm PALMER £525 Paul Vann CHANCE £710 Bobby Bennett V-TONE £500 No bids Chubby Checker PARKWAY £650 ROD [forum moderator]

And you had a go at me for "Supernatural"!!!!!! What's next? You dress up as an Orc at the weekends in the Lord of the Rings Reenactment Society? ROD

Mark, PM'd you about this on 9 November but I see you have not read the message. Sales forum is for advertising records for sale. Events is for advertising club nights. Thanks ROD [forum moderator]

I like the Intruders but prefer this ROD

Sent everybody a PM. Thanks ROD [forum moderator]

AUCTION Weekly Update Mamie Galore SACK £600 No bids Jesse Fisher SOJAMM £400 No bids Clarence Townsend CLARA £550 Ty Karim ROMARK £1500 No bids Old [M]Pressions BROOKS BROTHERS £350 Detroit Executives GM ACETEATE £200 No bids Annette Archibald SWIFT £400 No bids Ernie Johnson ARTCO £1500 No bids Nelson Sanders RAMBLER £400 No bids Betty Wilson DAYCO £625 Tamiko Jones GOLDEN WORLD [issue] £400 No bids J.T. Rhythm PALMER £500 No bids Paul Vann CHANCE £625 Bobby Bennett V-TONE £500 No bids Chubby Checker PARKWAY £650

That Rich, reminded me of this Major IV track on same label ROD

Hello lads, Can we take any more exchanges to PMs please. ROD Forum moderator

Henrik, I sent you a PM on 9 october which I see you haven't read. If you go to the top of this page and press the icon [an envelope] you will be able to access your messages. Thank you ROD [forum moderator]

My gut feeling Richard is that when this was first played the West Coast pressing seemed to be around more than the East Coast copies. I got the W.C. WDJ and I don't remember thinking wow that's different. Since then I've seen far more E.C copies. ROD

OK. Pm'd both members. Can we draw a line under that now please. If there is any more inadvertent bumping of this thread it will be at the top of AATS. ROD [Forum Moderator]

George, Vg- with a crack doesn't sound like a decent playing copy nor $248 a bargain. ROD

Hi Ion, Until you posted I was pretty sure Richard had it and played it very infrequently in later stages of Wigan. I guess I could have heard you play it but if it were covered up why is it on my wants list from early 80's? I've still got that here and Sandy is in the main body of the list but me and Dave have added an update which includes Chuck Cockerham amongst others which I didn't know until I found a copy in '89 and sold to Richard so update was done around that time. The main list [less additions] kinda cuts off after Dave and I stopped dj-ing so Limelights,Monique,Phonetics,Young Brothers are there which dates it to around '83. If you had it for 5-6 years and sold it in '90 it's a bit of a mystery why it's on the list. I know Barrie and Brad. Did one of them tell me I wonder? I've not heard Richard dj since he was on at Stafford apart from a few times at Parkers in late 80's and a new-fangled R&B night in the 90's.Parkers stopped around time you sold it Rob I think. So Im still confused. ROD

Not exactly a new phenomena Glyn. It's also VG- or knackered. It's £30 now. Bet it goes higher. I can't figure out why anybody buys stuff like this at this price. For £30 you could buy a mint original of something which is just as good musically. ROD