Baz Atkinson

When i started the thead in refo-soul ,the whole idea was to showcase some of them perfect late sixties early seventies tunes that epitomised what John and Jock have discussed earlier.The thread to me now sums up other words ie JUST BLOODY GOOD SEVENTIES SOUL IE SOUL MUSIC CUT IN THE SEVENTIES WITH MORE ACCOMPLISHED BACKING ARRANGING,MUSICAL SCORE AND PRODUCTION. Soul music simply exploded in the seventies due to millions of reasons,mostly commercial so generally with that explosion came along a far more accomplished bunch of records examples could be the incredible stuff coming from Sigma Studios or Invictus or Muscle Shoals ,Henry Stone -etc etc,the list is endless!! To me alot of the producers learned from the sixties pitfalls and simply produced better records,with far more soulful delivery. Now that is not to say the sixties records did not have good arragement etc [more often that not most were produced on a pittance ,but still souded incredible]the appeal forgive me if im wrong for sixties stuff was the sheer rawness and expression of soul,in the seventies that expression was sightly more sophisticated and studio bosses had to drive up the value another notch. Somone metioned seventies records sounding like sixties records well there is literally hundreds so far on the thread a good expample been roe-ta-tion on gerim etc,I think a good record is a good record regardless of our obsession to categorise -simple terms would be sixties soul-seventies soul-eighties soul etc,far to simple for us anoraks lol. I really hope some who pass judgement on the seventies and other genres in the history of black american music ,visit some of the threads -take the gospel thread for instance theres a record on ebay at the mommet vastly sought after by the northern crowd and it is marketted as follows HOLY DISCIPLES 45 GOSPEL FUNK NORTHERN SOUL well bugger me why not call it the lot lol,the point been it is the genre obssessed British collecting public that have created the vacume and yes im as quilty as everyone else,the record in question is just a cracking soul record on a gospel based logo out of Texas [hundreds of incredible gospel records I would class as just good soul records-soul stirrerrs etc]/. Hope this amswers your question Bearsey [hope your well mate] oh and for the knockers of crossover soul ,sweet and deep,funk,and gospel,theres thoushands more to come on the threads at least another 5000 from my collection so why not dip in and have an open mind -if the site represents a fresher aspect of soul collecting and gathering and sharing infomation in the 21st century perhaps open minds could go with this? Right back tothe beach lol] BAZ A

ITS SOME LOGO PEACHTREE \AND YES SOME TOP CROSS FERTILISATION OF PRODUCERS ETC- FUSING SOME OF THAT ATLANTA FUNKIER STUFF WITH A BIT STAX INFLUENCED STUFF OUR OWN PAUL MOONEY IS THE MAN FOR THIS IM SURE HE MASTERED ATLANTA SOUL !!! BAZ A MY FAV OUT OF ALL THE STUFF IS EMORY AND THE DYNAMICS -LOVE THATS REAL -ITS A REAL DEEP BURNER !!!

its about 100 quid got mine years ago early nineties off Guy H -love johnnys gone away superb tune! BAZ A

GOT LOADS ALSO QUITE A FEW FOR NEW JERSEY ALSO IF YOUR PREPARED TO DRIVE ABOUT,STILL A GOOD PLACE IMO TO GET BITS AND PIECES,GIVE ME A BIT TIME TO DIG THEM OUT AND PM ME. BAZ A

At a guess Ken, he's probably thinking of "Your love was good for me" - lovely stuff!! Although this song came out quite a few times on both Federal and King.... your right John "your love is a bueatiful record imo" BAZ A

Hi Ady, Thanks for the scans and info That looks like it was pressed by the same place that did the All Platinum family labels. I don't remember where but it was probably in NJ or NY. Chuck Brown was the primary label owner. Frank Key I believe was an original investor but didn't have much involvement. The address on the label is Brown's bail bond business, it's across the street from the Cleveland jail. It was just a business office. Later the operation moved to Cleveland's Lee/Miles neighborhood, which was just for Saru business. I'll have to go thorugh my info about the Out Of Sights. I'm afraid that I'll confuse their story with the Elements. David Peoples who recorded for Saru was primarily a jazz singer, appearing for years with long time Cleveland bandleader Jimmy Landers. Michael Bell on Saru was a Cleveland teenager. I don't remember about Sir Stanley. In 1972 Brown deactived Saru and started Horoscope. After he hit with the Ponderosa Twins + 1, All Platinum took over the label and renamed it Astroscope, I'm sure because of some copyright issue. Contrary to what you can read on the internet, Astroscope was not a Cleveland label after it was renamed. The PT+1 45s just carried the Saru name as legacy. Brown then started a third label, Pisces. I only know of two records on this label, both by the Ba-Roz, a girl group lead by Cynthia Woodward. A quick abridged account of the Saru history (pronounced Say-Rew) - George I AGREE FANTASTIC STUFF -WHO WOULD NOTE THAT THE ADDRESS ON THE LOGO WAS A BAIL BOND BUSINESS,I KNOW THE OJAYS CUT SOME STUFF ON ASTROSCOPE GOT ONE SOMEWHERE,WHERE WAS ASTROSCOPE BASED GEORGE ? THANKS BAZ A

marvellous record flip is super also !!! BAZ A

It's rare, and fits into the category of " collection sticker" ( in other words, once they get into a collection they stick there) If you've not got one, can I suggest you buy the affordable & findable "My Woman's Love" by the same group to keep you going. It's subtle beauty should not be dismissed the way it often is (outside of Stafford era and X-Over fans) THATS A FINE RECOMMENDATION AS IS THE ELEMENTS AND THE OTHER OUT OF SIGHTS STUFF ON THE LOGO IE ITS GOT TO BE ME AND BABY YOUVE GOT IT. BAZ A PS THE FLIP OF MY WOMENS LOVE IS AWESOME IMO .

Spagetti got one of Tim Browns auction for £1000 a few months ago IS HE SKINT TED? BAZ A

Think alot care about it,wont get much change from bout £1500 to be honest if anyone is reading and want to let one go for a quick 1k im happy to do a quick deal,i need it to complete saru!!THE BOOK PRICE IS £1250 MANSHIP 5TH EDITION. BAZ A PS SOME LOGO IS SARU.

Thanks Baz, I got the Plus 4 in the end, I'm working on the theory they were someone else! The Smoke thing is a separate query to the GWP one. Cheers Ady [ NO PROBS MATE DID NOT KNOW HORACE OTT PRODUCED THE VILLAGE PEOPLE LOL,ITS AMAZING WHERE RESEARCH CAN LEAD SOMETIMES LOL. BAZ A

hELLO MATE SORRY YOUR EXPECTED TO WORK LIKE MERE MORTALS -I HAVE A PLUS FOUR IM HAPPY TO SEND DOWN AS A GIFT ON A DEMO -THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE OTHER STUFF IS THAT MOST OF IT WAS JAMES CARMICHAEL AND FRED SMITH ALONG WITH BOB RELF -THE GWP STUFF IS OFCOURSE GEORGE KERR AND RICHARD TEE ETC,HAVE NOT GOT TO MY LOMAS YET BUT STUFF LIKE ARTIE LEWIS ETC IS RINGING A BELL.GOLDEN CITY PRODCUTIONS HAS COMPLETELY THROWN ME!!! THE FUNKIER SIDE CANT VOUCH FOR ON WARNERS BUT I DO KNOW THAT -CHARLES WRIGHT PRODUCED A FAIR BIT,IVE GOT A PROMO OF THE NEW YORKERS BUT NOT CHECKED THE COOL SOUNDS ETC ,SOME OF IT IS DEFFO RINGING A BELL. PM ME IF YOU NEED THE PLUS FOUR. BAZ A

ROYAL JOKERS SOLD

Very much a casino record for Richard Searling it used to echo round and sounded fantastic to my 16 year old lugs lol.Now well its really hard locating where the soul is in this record and for 4k which is what it wll bring you can get fully kitted out with a wardrope of proper soul records lol. BAZ A

CELESTE HARDY -YOU TOUCHED THE INNER PART OF ME-LOADSTONE ILL POST IT UP WHEN I GET TIME -THE STRINGS ARE INCREDIBLE AS IS THE RECORD.

Usual next day delivery -£2 postage [paypal prefered but all payments accepted] follow soundclip. Geater Davis-my love is so strong-House of orange vg+ £25 [final price would be mint- but scratch renders this]pays fine fantastic flooriller etc. Royal Jokers-love games a-z Wingate Mint £15 SOLD SOLD SOLD. Joe Wilson-sweetness-Dynamo Mint x2 £15 Dave +Vee-do you love me-De Lux Mint - £20 famous chromes-I get a groove on-Drive Mint- £30 on alot of funk wants etc. Lorraine Ellison-after all it turns out-Warner Brothers [awesome not in the quides]slight logo wear £75 Ferguson-Davis +Jones-tHINK IM GONNA CRY-Epic mint- [lovely track people not latched on yet?] Robert Moore-serching for your love-Hollywood demo vg+£20 the Butlers-love is good-GAMBLE MINT [lovely in demand crossover frank does the biz] £30 The Jaggerz-got t find a way -Gamble Mint- £15

tHANKS Chalky helpful as usual BAZ A

DJING BOLLOCKS WHY DONT YOU START WITH THE THREE GREATEST SOUL LOGOS EVER ENJOY THE WONDERFUL OFFERINGS-BUY THE QUIDES AND GET A BIT KNOWLEDGE ID RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING LOGOS STAX - SIMPLY THE GREATEST LOGO EVER AND ITS OTHER LOGOS TRUTH/VOLT/ ETC ENOUGH TO KEEP YOU BUSY FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS ATLANTIC -COLLECT US OR BRITISH -ALL EXCEPT A FEW EXTREMELY ACCESSIBLE MOSTLY UNDER A TENNER PHILLY INTERNATIONAL-AGAIN A LOGO THAT HAS SO MUCH TO OFFER FROM DEEP STUFF TO BORDERLINE DISCO LOL,YOULL FIND MOST UNDER 15 QUID AND ALOT OF THE BRITISH STUFF UNDER A QUID. AS A COLLECTOR I WENT THE OTHER WAY ROUND COLLECTED ALL THE RARE DETROIT CHICAGO PHILLY STUFF DUE TO MY INVOLVELENT IN THE EARLY TO MID EIGHTIES -I SWEAR THERES RECORDS ON ALL THE THREE MAJOR LOGOS THAT WOULD NOT GIVE ALOT OF THE RARE STUFF "THE LICKINGS OF A DOG" LOL,OH MOTOWN ALSO -SO MUCH FUN PICKING THAT STUFF UP. DONT BOTHER TRYING TO FOLLOW TRENDS ON THE NORTHERN SCENE THEIR ARE EXSPENSIVE WIMS AT THE MOST A GOOD RECORD IS A GOOD RECORD -CHECK OUT THE SWEET AND DEEP SOUL/CROSSOVER.SIXTIES SOUL/R/B THREADS AND FUNK ETC FOR YOUR LEARNING ROUTE IF YOU WANT VALUES ON THESE ITEMS JUST ASK ON THE SITE OR BETTER BUY THE QUIDES BUT DONT QUOTE THEM AS GOSPEL THEIR ARE QUIDES AND NOT WRITING IN STONE. GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY HUNTING BAZ A

ill take 60 for charen cotton. BAZ A

roe ta tion and classic exampe sold !!!! BAZ A

I had the Kitty Love record at one stage, I remember it being a cover of the Amanda Humphry tune on "U.S.A." Des Parker youve got a good memory there Des -stil got one myself somewhere -tis a good tune imo. BAZ A

Not sure Baz ,i think it finished but i deleted it before cos i was'nt fussed and it was pushing me over the 200 watched items mark By the way mate ,the flat market you mentioned ......PAGES-HEARTACHES AND PAIN has just finished at £519 on ebay tonight Oh and that Kings of Soul for £1650 last week .....recession?? what recession Always exeptions Nev ,but what are you selling compared to say a year ago? Ive always averaged roud about £1200 a month on here various stuff [bit for everyone]now no where near half of that,prices are so low the other way[got loads of 100-200 book things for next to nowt recently. Pages well bit gobsmakced and hasnt the average of the kings of soul been well over the 2.5k mark lol,lots of money for a overplayed record abelt a good one lol.

its a high booker bout £800 ish, be interesting to see what it fetches in this flat market place? BAZ A

excellent book from Jeff Lemlich called Savage Lost all about Florida Music (not just soul) https://www.limestone...thor/author.htm I'll dig it out at the weekend Baz when I get home and see if I an add owt for you. hELLO MATE thats good of you,eemed to have missed that one, ps I was wrecked after the wilton lol BAZ A

Paid $70 for mine a while back there really rare one is good loving on Kingston -Nice track done a few funk things also if I recall!! BAZ A