dave , im sure john and others who paid for this record feel angry and a little embarrassed as we all would ,as you said its alot of money that changed hands , the record in question was shown to certain dealers and collectors here in the uk john had a good idea that it was a forgery he wanted to be a 100% certain so messages were sent to the seller with no reply, one would like to think that he and others have a slim chance of retrieving any money back , 5