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Fake! Can you spot a fake? FAKE RECORDS I watched a program the other night about a chap who was conned into buying a fake painting by an artist who had past away many years ago. The painting was taken to "an expert" who said, in her opinion, that it was a fake based on her experience and knowledge of the artist; she said quote "he would not have painted this figure quite like this and the sky is not his usual bright sky" Very scientific, I thought! Then I started to think about the Northernsoul scene and the amount of money that changes hands for our little plastic discs. Do we have a problem with fakes? Have we had a problem with fakes? How can they be spotted? If I turned up with 20 copies of Frank Wilson how could you tell if they were the real deal? The obvious answer would be to compare them to the one record we all know of, but how can any one say if that was the real one? I have heard such nonsense like "you just know" or "You get a fee; for these things" Is it an exact science or is it just a bluffers guess?

Richard, you may not be able to paint a turd, but you can roll it in glitter

I played 4 BELOW ZERO --- MY BABYS GOT E.S.P to my soldiers in Bosnia every morning for six months, legal torture some might say but Adam "Rossy" Ross is now a full blown Northernsoul to convert and guess what his favorite Northernsoul track is....... . GARFIELD FLEMING Please dont Send Me Away !!!!!

I hear the music but I can't see any one dance? Is it my PC? Gymnastics aint dancing

Was Michael Jackson "Blue Eyed soul"?

I'm biting today coz I'm bored Stewmac, how can you say Modern is crap? I remember the first time I ever heard Patrick Hernandez - Born to Be Alive and I was blown away, are you suggesting that Born to Be Alive isn't a great record? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgM7qeAlko Jocko re Life Line, it is on my deffo things do list. Deka and I set out a list of things we wanted to do for 2009 and we listed attending German, Spain and Ireland weekenders, we fell a little short due to work and family commitments but we did most of the usual allnighters. The weekend its six Hills, weekend after Blackpool then the mighty Maximes, haven't, daren't look at Decembers dates, I do have my brand new 2010 wall planner ready to go up in my study (back bedroom were my PC is) My only real criticism of the foreign scene is their lack of effort when it comes down to transport, why can't a coach be laid on from say Manchester and Sheffield to the Irish Club on Townsend road? We used to have coach trips back in the day, just a thought.

Here's some thing for those needing nostalgia

Just followed the post Kinky Ken added with the flyer "Sun N Soul", it has a web site Soul Dresden, there are play lists and wav clips so you can sample some of the stuff on there and its mega! https://www.soul-magic.de/links.html They seam to have thrown the rule book out and mixed a heady cocktail of up front sounds and underplayed oldies with a pinch of the classics so it retains a Northernsoul pudding worthy of a taste. Now that's what Northernsoul is about, Germany seams to be on the righteous path without the clutter of hanbaggers and bear bellied Soulies out for a bit of nostalgia. My DJ of the month is Peter Wehand excellent play list, another fave is Michael Fuchs who spins some wicked trax.

Isn't that what it's all about playing the trax you know & love -Nostalgia? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Well maybe for you? For me it's about discovery, if I wanted the same old same old I don't think I would have left Tiffanies and stole out into the night to listen to the sounds of black America, the same old same old can be heard on any radio program. Nostalgia? I'll take my nostalgia when I start wearing the jumpers my mum still sends me! I want new sounds, I don't want to be like every one else, I don't want a crammed full I pod , I don't want a DJ who plays "The biggies at Wigan" I want the littlies, I want the secret smokey cool sounds that makes me feel part of some thing special. I want to hear people say, "Have a listen to this", I want my mind blown by me and a record, I do not want to hear the same old fookin, "Oh I love this track, remember this, and fancy a sherry Barbra, hold on Jim its my round, you've had too many me old mate, Oi Oi, spilt some on the floor, more talc any one, fookin love this one.... All I want is moon light and music, fancy a dance Babs? Used to dance to this at Wigan we did, I had this on clear vinyl more talc any one, ah this is a good n, used to do our lass on the back of my LI 250 to this, nother pint, , "Oh I love this track, remember this, and fancy a sherry Barbra. Nostalgia? Stick it up yer bum, I'll have some of that Northernsoul please.

Stuck in a rut in this country? Are you seriously suggesting that there is another country that is superior to us in breaking records, collecting records, dancing to records, having the knowledge of the records? You need to get out more mate! Whilst I raise a glass to other nations, and I respect there love for Northernsoul, please please please pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee do not even try to compare them to the UK scene!!!! Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves... well not waves, but certainly Northernsoul!!! I can't say this from any "I DJ'd there for two hours" experience. I aint been on holiday in Oz and I haven't got a mate who knows some ones Granny in Japan! The day I stand on the dance floor in any UK Northern venue listening to a DJ telling me that "This record has just broken big in _____insert country_______ "Then I will get on the next jet outta here. Foreign soul, well done, good drills, glad you like our dancing, enjoy. DJ's n record collectors who visit, have a good un, spin a few, pick up some duty free's, come home and stop fibbing, its abroad, not the other side of the moon and it's a small world!

Chris L once tried to touch me up.

How does a record become a "rarity" That was the question and the answer is quite simply when it is rare, how it becomes rare is as follows, when a run is stopped at the record company or a deletion of a record. When only a few are made or when only a few survive. There have been many catalogued stories of dumpsters being dives looking for the discarded and unwanted, there have also been case of ware houses and stock rooms giving up their treasures. In a nut shell a "rarity" is a record that is in short supply. Now pricing these little disks is easy, some thing is worth as much as some one is willing to pay for it full stop. The buyer sets the price, yup you can have a box full of expensively labeled disks but the proof of the pudding is in the selling. Prices can rocket when there is a story attached or when there is a perceived connection to a potent ideal but it has to capture some ones imagination. I know of some one paying well over the odds for a record collection because he once owned it back in the day, it meant little to nothing to any one else but to him it was a tangible link to a former life.

I keep reading the last few posts over and over trying to make sense of them? Not quite sure as to what the points are or even what the reasoning are to the original question? There have been some excellent social comments but no real stab at a theory as to why there aren't many black faces on the Northernsoul scene. Black America has some healing to do due to years of oppression and a deep rooted mistrust born from slavery, no one would argue that, but I am not too convinced this effected many people on these shores especially during the mid seventies? I can appreciate Caribbean connections and a liking to keep a heritage and a musical culture but this still doesn't go any where near to answering why there are so few black people into Northernsoul? Its grim oop North and we do have a collective shared working class experience or at least a perception of one. GB suffered certainly more than the US did after the war with jobs and rationing, going back further than that we were slaves to the Romans for a considerable time but time has healed that little hiccup. We as a nation have had our share of invaders and we have gone to bloody war in living memory but I don't think our suffering has had much to do with tapping the odd toe to "Tears of a clown"? I do not sign up to the theory that it all went "Masonic" and that we all became record collectors, we did not. Yes there were some mega serious collectors but the meat and potatoes was not about collecting it was and still is about dancing, yup we all have the music now, but its on CD. Not many of us had the money or the in depth knowledge to peruse any such collections other than the normal record purchasing that was done back in the day prior to CD. I don't agree with the artists tearing their soul out, again there were some, quite a few as it happens, but the majority are bubble gum I love her, she doesn't love me tracks, no one ever sets out to write a flop do they? Remember at that time cutting a record was very much of a business and business is cut throat so commercially viable tunes get released and those with a message are only released if they can sell.

Barry that made me cry, thank you

Mega!!!!

Barry you are talking out of your ring! Sammy was a snake!!

This sounds like a logical reason. I wonder why the majority of British skinheads adopted Jamaican music as theirs with no connection geographically or cultural?

Hey Kirsty, I'd burn you a CD but you'd have to wear that Bunny Girl cozy !!! Arooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhgarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Could you explain why you wrote that please?

There are not many black people on the scene? Why?

I'm struggling with the term "serious singer"? Is there such a thing? I think there will be some but these will be very rare indeed. Bob Dylan springs to mind and Jim Morrison are two that I think wrote for them selves and not for any commercial motivation? Most singers are not song writers so how can they be classed as any thing other than people with voices we like to hear? The average charting single doesn't seam to have any message other than, she loves me, and she's left me? On the soul side, there are quite a few records that we know contained social comments of the day but I am not convinced that many artists would sacrifice commercial success for there beliefs? The cynic in me kinda suspects lyrical content is driven with one eye on success and the other on political or social comments, the wrong lyrics can dam you if the publics mood has been misjudged? We had a thread not so long back about politically incorrect records that would fall flat if released now. Barry I'm not too sure if I have gone a little off from your post, forgive me if I have mate, trying to multi task here aint you know that's not good.

Just gonna pate a couple of those into here Ronnie Walker You've Got To Try Harder Doug Parkinson & The Southern Star - Band I'll Be Around https://www.youtube.c...h?v=4CYLVkxaUqY JACKIE WILSON - THE WHISPER GETTIN LOUDER

Here ya go, burn her this, get a box of Thornton's and a family box of ribbed condoms and remember to turn those bad boys inside out coz its not just for her pleasure! I just played these to my missus and she is now pregnant! MAXINE BROWN, IT`S TORTURE Carla Thomas --- I'll Never Stop Loving You carol anderson sad girl BROWN SUGAR - THE GAME IS OVER beloyd get into your life MODERN SOUL JESSE JAMES If you want a Love affair MANDRILL TOO LATE Ronnie McNeir - Sitting in my Class Gayle Adams "Baby I Need Your Loving" 1982 Richard Darbyshire - This I swear Ronnie Walker You've Got To Try Harder JACKIE WILSON --- IT ONLY HAPPENS (WHEN I LOOK AT YOU) Jackie Wilson - Because Of You JACKIE WILSON - THE WHISPER GETTIN LOUDER Mickey Moonshine Name It You Got It rose batiste - hit and run Doug Parkinson & The Southern Star - Band I'll Be Around alfie davison love is a serious business The Dells - Your Song Eddie Holman -- I'll Surrender Marie Knight --- That's No Way To Treat A Girl All these tracks are on youtube, just rip em out of there.

I agree with Billy that you need talk, it matter not how good the floor is or what shoes you are wearing because as the night wears on it does get harder to slide. I do not agree with talc being thrown about with reckless abandon so it looks like a bun fight in a floor mill. I have been to one or two allnighters and seen the talcum powder police following dancers with a mop and bucket; I didn't go back to the nighter.