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Northern soul seizes the day - Manchester Online Article
"Northern soul seizes the day Richard Hector-Jones "we're not just called The New Century Soul Club because of the venue were using," explains promoter Chris Waterman about his venture into the world of northern soul. "We're looking to change the way people see the northern soul scene. Its all about bringing things up to date and into the modern environment 0f 2003."
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who f****** the brooks bros
Is there really such a demand for such bootlegs in this day and age? and what people forget is that these and many other top tunes are available to the CD format so dont give me the old chestnut that these things are supplying a demand for home entertainment because thats total bollocks, even worse if they get played at venues because if I see anyone playing one Im sorry but I will have to say something as I can not support or defend this practice at all. The only difference with modern day bootlegs to those of yesteryear is they have no real effect on the value of the authentic originals as in the old days people would panic when they got wind of a top tune being pressed and would sell the original to get their investment back but today is very different. Records like the Brooks Brothers and other recent boots to hit the streets such as Mr Soul aka Al Scott, Mel Britt, Kurt Harris etc. are treasured and sought after by collectors and DJs so why should someone profit from the talents of someone else?
There is no justiforcation for this apart from greed and the people behind such ventures can not have any real passion for the music and the ethics and ideals of the RARE SOUL SCENE. I think its time to name and shame these people into submission, its total abuse of the highest order and I only wish a few more people would stand up to these people and be counted as this has to stop. For example many of the current re - issue lables such as Grapevine 2000. Ace/ Kent etc. make every effort to obtain the correct clearence to put out their product so why dont others follow these guidelines, listen I dont have a problem with such records coming out as long as they are legal and above board. Why should a record that the likes of myself, Dave Rimmer and others worked bloody hard to track down be fair game to the bootleggers who wouldnt know a rare record if it hit them between the eyes. I suggest if people dont buy these records......well you cant really call them records can you? if there is no demand for them then maybe this will stop and stop now.
Spare a thought for the artists who made Jimmy shit for these tunes in the first place and who ever now owns the publishing rights to them, I hope to god one day someone comes forward and demands legal satifaction from these people and maybe the BPI should treat this as a crime on the smaller artists and non hits as they do in litigation on their paid up big clients such as The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bowie and all other major recording stars as if you get found out bootlegging their recordings then you go to prison its that simple. Oh and before anyone says The Artists dont see a penny of the huge amounts of money records currently sell for on the open market is a totally seperate issue and a bit like saying Vincent Vangough should have been paid millions when he was alive for his paintings which now sell for huge sums of money in the art world, yet he cut his ear off and died a poor man point being all things that are rare sell for big money its a fact of life be it a rare soul record or a work of art. You can buy a print of a rare painting but I bet you a million pounds most art collectors desire the original as record collectors do. I have a pretty good idea who is behind this as do many other people on the scene yet we say and do nothing myself included, I really hope it stops as its not my style to bubble anyone, still its been with us since the year dot as it would seem that some so called high profile respected people way back worked hand in hand with the bootlegers by promoting the records to the masses then getting kick back when they were pressed.... integrity,respect well I shit it sorry.....maybe one day someone will have the balls to write the book of books worts and all and really tell it like it is?????? I have no respect for this practice and really dont care what these people say or do to me, it would be nice for them to reply to my comments and maybe defend this current bootleg by producing written authentic permission from the owner of the publishing and I will publically retract my comments here, but I honestly dont think they can do that can they? I dont think we can insult people who attend rare soul venues with non original records being played so why the need for this recent batch of pressings? If it aint real dont play and more importantly if it aint real dont or refuse to sell it in the first place. Like I said it would be good to name and shame but to be honest it would not make that much difference really would it as this shit will happen again and again and we all say nothing, well sorry I care about this scene and really want to Keep It Real and have to comment on this bullshit, I know I dont stand alone but would really be interested in your feedback and some support on this total abuse of our otherwise beautiful scene, lastly I dont have a problem with people who wish to make a bob or two as long its done without ripping everyone else and its just that a rip off of everything we stand for. The strange thing is that both The Brooks Brothers and Melvin Davis are still very rare records and despite this new release they will still command a huge price tag if and when they come up for sale so its just the bootleg practice rather than the material used that upsets me and many other collectors.
Keep It Real - Mark Bicknell.
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Poster Thread Guest Posted: 2003/12/9 13:18 Updated: 2003/12/9 13:18 name & shame game...... So the label is called Kingy! I wonder then if its Chris King who is behind it? he is well known for bootleg acetates and ripping people off isnt he? i suppose Kev Roberts wouldnt be far behind. Maybe a brooks brothers mug and keyring next eh boys. Hows about some CK/KR toilet roll. Any suggestions on a title for the bog roll?
Guest Posted: 2003/12/9 15:36 Updated: 2003/12/9 17:14 Re: name & shame game...... this post has been edited by site reason: lets not go down the road of posting abuse Please keep discussion worthwhile If poster has any concerns as why his post was edited please use the contact us link
chalky Posted: 2003/12/10 12:06 Updated: 2003/12/10 12:06 Hardest Joined: 2002/11/15 From: Chesterfield Posts: 649 Re: name & shame game...... As far as Im aware they were given away at the said persons Birthday party at Sheridans. Could be wrong and if so please feel free to correct me. Personally I agree with Marks comments 100%. As long as the companys have obtained the rights I dont have a problem but when some one blatantly boots a record then I hope they get everything they deserve. chalky
Guest Posted: 2003/12/10 14:14 Updated: 2003/12/10 14:14 Re: name & shame game...... well another sad day in the hall of shame for the bootleggers.ie! chris king this time no doubt aboat it.no shame in hiding his name to it either. a coment they was done for his 47th birhday 47th for fucks sake.the poor guy needed another few quid to fund his jag his misss porche.if only people who buy these bootlegs relised were there money was going they wouid think twice. and one final thing.you promoters if you hire a dj and he ends up playing them.do the honourable thing dont book him again take a note out of steve wileman comments on soul source for his opening allnighter this weekend at ashby.he states djs playing bootlegs will not be tolerated.with kenny burrell & mick h.guesting along sides the sam moores .this will be a interesting night to watch. play it real tyrone
Guest Posted: 2003/12/10 20:18 Updated: 2003/12/10 20:18 Re: name & shame game...... Mmmm yep this old chestnut again.Glad you mentioned the likes of Chris King and Kev Roberts on the major front of this argument cos yer damn right about them being kings of bootleggers,got thier fingers in that many pies its unbelievable,or is it? Correctly you all note this thing has been going on for years and sometimes splits the "Rare Soul" community, but opinions will massively differ depending on wich side of the fence your on or wich part of it. catagories include. The local pub/villiage hall dj.The connosiure.One of the thousend whos come back to the scene after kids n divorce and still catching up again.The dancer.The big "Do" jocks.And the list goes on.How much it affects or hurts differs dramaticly.Me i couldnt give a monkeys,as sadly i gave up collecting seriously years ago.Certainly if something takes my fancy enough ill try and find it,but not some shit copy(had enough of them of Roberts ! ) if not nearly everythings available on cd anyway.But unfortunatly there will always be a market for these bootlegs.But just remember a hell of a lot of"Big Guns" have been involved in the past.Goldmine records?? He of !!
Guest Posted: 2003/12/10 20:28 Updated: 2003/12/10 20:28 Re: name & shame game...... Yes, perhaps there are more people all pissing in the bootleg pot than we realise but it still aint right is it. Thanks for your comments and support in this matter it really does piss me off, cant wait to see if someone bites on this item but sadly i doubt it! Keep It Real - Mark Bicknell. PS The Brooks Brothers may well have been a freebie at a birthday party, but its still out there on sale.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/10 21:19 Updated: 2003/12/10 21:19 Re: name & shame game...... Fraid theyll be as anon as ever.Stick by your beliefs and you cant go wrong . Keepin it as real as i can! By the way saw you on some soul tv clip other day with a well dodgy red Jonathan King cap. How real is that?? jokin
Guest Posted: 2003/12/10 21:26 Updated: 2003/12/10 21:26 Re: name & shame game...... You cannot deny that bootlegging is wrong. But, we should not pretend that the practice of purchasing second hand records, frequently at great expense, provides any more remuneration to the recording artists who made the recordings than the bootlegs do. So lets no kid ourselves. Ours is a selfish hobby.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/11 7:42 Updated: 2003/12/11 7:42 Re: name & shame game...... i agree with that last post, yep i dont condone bootlegs, but at the same time i dont agree with the elevated prices that records are fetching because some so-called big name has played it - or for that matter a certain venue(s) is spinning it and pushing it down every ones eardrums every 5 mins to make it go big (or should i say - expensive) you only have to look at the likes of the futures party time man, ace spectrum dont send nobody else, to name but a few - not exactly hard to find are they but dealers (and some djs) on our scene are quick to jump on the opportunity to exploit us (incidently these 2 records appear to be dropping in price - so i feel sorry for those who have paid extortionate prices for them)- so what happened to a record being expensive because it is stone cold rare - NOT because it is fashionable at the moment! i know i have digressed somewhat from the subject of bootlegging but all i am tryin to point out is that the bootleggers are not the only parasites on the scene.
Posted: 2003/12/14 17:26 Updated: 2003/12/14 17:26 team member Joined: 2002/8/26 From: Posts: 2244 Online! Re: name & shame game...... Quote: but all i am tryin to point out is that the bootleggers are not the only parasites on the scene. Dunno much about econimical theory and all that, but find it a bit off calling djs and dealers parasites cause selling 45s at price some are prepared to pay. After all no one is forcing anyone to pay any price, and while its a pain that it seems there are people prepared to pay "crazy" prices. Surely by their willingness to pay over the odds they are ones responsible, if there is someone willing to pay price then could argue dealers pricing is justified. Exploition? Feel sorry ? no way, when unrolling wad, they must have been aware price over the top, same as everyone else, if not could question just what they are doing buying records if not aware of value. For whatever reason they wanted that 45, they choose to pay that price, their decision.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/14 22:52 Updated: 2003/12/14 22:52 Re: name & shame game...... Sorry dont like polotics, im only intrested in what comes out the speakers... but (here we go, im not arguing this is just MY view and im sorry if I am speaking out of line) If a record is rare, and there are only a few known copies, and they are owned by collectors, if its that good a record, a record that is worth dancing to, a proper hair standing up on the back of the neck Northern/Rare Soul record, you know the ones, a really good sound. Then sorry people should get to hear it, and on what ever format possible. If some tracks never got bootlegged, whouldnt they get lost and be forgotton, surely for the love of our music and for its future, that would be just as bad. I havnt wrote this to wind anyone up its just my view. And before you slate me I do only buy originals, and I cant afford the £1000 records but there are a lot of quality records under £100. that I do buy.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/15 9:42 Updated: 2003/12/15 9:42 Re: name & shame game...... Good point - although i dont see the point in booting records that are a plenty - and not necessarily £100s of pounds worth e.g. Prince Phillip Mitchell, etc. But not everyone can afford to pay silly prices (a lot of them unjustified). I dont want to get into the politics either as there is far too much of that bollocks on the scene. I was actually at a soul nite last year and a young lady on the decks spun a few boots in her set - but the dancefloor was chocca, they didnt give a flying **** what label the record was on or whether or not is was original, they sounded good (cos some boots sound awful) but the promoter wasnt happy (he didnt forewarn her not to play boots though). Too much snobbery maybe? Im sure everyone wishes they could afford originals, and I know what it feels like when you have a record that is scarce (allegedly) and it gets booted or re-issued whatever, but lets face it its as they say its whats in the groove that counts and unless you keep the punters happy (remember they vote with thier feet) well loose them coming thru the doors at many venues. Those who like to promote rare soul nites - fine o.k. get on with it as I truly support such venues but it doesnt work everywhere does it. Lets just stop all this griping and get on with playin the tunes and let those who are a major part of the scene -yes the DANCERS- who we seem to forget in all these debates and argument- enjoy it! So never mind keep it real lets keep it goin.
mike- Posted: 2003/12/15 16:46 Updated: 2003/12/15 16:46 team member Joined: 2002/8/26 From: Posts: 2244 Online! Re: name & shame game......reminder Just a friendly reminder, while do not need to join or log in to post We do recommend that if not a member when you post you add your name Not only does it give your post more creditbility, it also helps the discussion as other related posts, discussions, and so on can be made and even help build up community feel of site To join site and get benefits of being a member only takes 5 secs and once joined if you use the remember tick box, you should be "autologged in" each time visit site
Guest Posted: 2003/12/15 19:38 Updated: 2003/12/15 19:38 Re: name & shame game......reminder Oh I give up.....whats the fucking point of having a valid opinion, fact is bootlegging is wrong, its totally illegal and is just not the done thing, as for playing bootlegs at venues, tell you what why dont all the real DJs with commitment, passion and dedication just pack it all in and leave it to the pretenders. Christ its a scene based on rare soul records for fucks sake and to suggest that the dance floor cares little about the authenticity of the music coming out of the speakers makes is simply turning the whole thing into a joke. If its that easy then everyone should be a DJ.... I do care and try to do it the right way, if I aint got a first generation USA original then I dont play it rather wait until a DJ who does have it play it. If I played a bootleg it would be around the scene like shit off a stick so why should others take the easy route?? still this was not the issue or the reason for my comments, these current boots are just for profit and sod all to do with the ideas, ideals and ethics of the rare soul scene and the collecting of it, call me a purist if you wish rather be called that than a parasite or worse. Just trying to give a voice to what is right and correct, the issue of playing pressings is another topic which should be talked about some other time. Yes Keep it Going but please keep it real. Mark Bicknell.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/15 23:50 Updated: 2003/12/15 23:50 Re: name & shame game......reminder Right lets get one thing straight, if you are a Dj, you should be playing your tunes from the original format. You dont have to spend £1000s to find good dancable soul records, dig deep, use your initiative, get on to things quick before demand drives prices up, in fact do what all the best Djs do, hunt your own tunes down, yes it takes a lot of time & trouble & thats why you get pissed off when some lazy git plays your fave rave on a £10 bootleg, or a slate, when you have spent literally years hunting it down. I totally disagree with Djs playing bootlegs, the argument that says its making the sounds available to the masses is bollocks, cos if that was the case they wouldnt be pressing em up on vinyl, they would be bootin em onto CD. Any way, promoters, just dont book Djs that use boots or cut acetates of issued material. Peace, love & Soulfulness Russ Vickers.
ShaneH Posted: 2003/12/16 22:00 Updated: 2003/12/16 22:00 Hardest Joined: 2003/11/25 From: Sheffield Posts: 189 Re: name & shame game......reminder I am what you consider to be new to the scene (29 yrs old and a regular on the niters for the past 4 or 5 years) and find the rare aspect of this scene to be fascinating. To be told a track you are digging for the first time is one of only a handful of copies is an extra special moment to me and I am glad to be there to enjoy it. This is one of the many appeals and it wouldnt be the same without it. The history of a track and how this original dusty 45 got from a junk shop in Chicago to a working mens club in York is part of the scene to me and I am forever wishing to hear more stories of this kind. It doesnt have the same appeal to be told its been pressed. I am not a collector and will probably never will be but rare original vinyl is of much greater interest when you have travelled 40 miles on a cold winters night. The fact that the guy on the decks has not bought his set from HMV but spent most of his adult life acquiring such gems from here, there and everywhere is much more sentimental to me. You can look on with admiration and feel like you are part of a very special scene. I am sure it will continue at the quality niters. Shane
Guest Posted: 2003/12/17 1:31 Updated: 2003/12/17 1:31 Re: name & shame game......reminder Shane, youve got it mate. You have pretty much hit the nail on the head. Cheers Russ V
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 1:34 Updated: 2003/12/18 1:34 Re: name & shame game......reminder Gosh - I admit it - I buy bootlegs... and I been buying them for 25 years - shame on me.. First let me say; the rarity of the tracks and the original only policy at big nights has kept the scene going and does make them special when heard. So that is a good policy. On the other hand I think that boots/reissues have also kept the scene going because they enables punters like me to enjoy much-adored tracks at home. Whats wrong with that? I do buy originals when possible, especially if they are under £50, because I prefer them. But big money tunes are simply beyond my means (and most people on the scene I would guess). When Ive been dancing to a track for months/years, I often think "I cant wait for somebody to boot/reissue this". I really dont think Im alone in this. One thing that annoys me about recent boots is that they are being sold for £10 instead of £5, now that is greedy of the sods behind them. On this subject why are Grapevine 2000 (and often Soul City) releases £10 when Goldmine and Stardust can do them for £5? Does anybody else feel like this? As for CDs, I dont own a player, I love vinyl, my bootlegs and reissues sit alongside my originals. Why should anybody tell me what format to buy music on? On the subject of dealers, there are many decent ones out there. But lets face it there is also no shortage of greedy dealers who cant wait to inflate a £20 record up to £50 or higher on a whim - this encourages bootlegs. Concerning royalties, why not donate a certain percentage of the money you are prepared to pay for an original to the artist and writer. Finally, I think it would be a good thing to name the bootleggers - then I can send requests to them. Dave you have the originals, respect for that - be proud of them, but calm down nobodies hurting you. ST - London
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 1:39 Updated: 2003/12/18 1:39 Re: name & shame game......reminder Sorry that last line should have read "Mick" not Dave, its a bit late and Im knackered ST - London
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 12:12 Updated: 2003/12/18 12:12 Re: name & shame game......reminder "Christ its a scene based on rare soul records for fucks sake and to suggest that the dance floor cares little about the authenticity of the music coming out of the speakers makes is simply turning the whole thing into a joke. If its that easy then everyone should be a DJ.... I do care and try to do it the right way, if I aint got a first generation USA original then I dont play it rather wait until a DJ who does have it play it." have you actually thought that a good majority dont give a toss if its an original played or a boot. ive been doing do,s/niters for a fair few years and dont care what format the records on.if its good ill dance and if i dont like the tune i wont. can you really say that youve seen a dancefloor cleared because a dj played a boot and not an original,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no didnt think so. dance floors clear because djs play shit records.simple as that. i personally think youre way off the mark by saying the scenes based on rare soul records. i always thought that its based on "rare soul music". maybe the scene that you collectors in youre anoracs are into is based on records.sorry but for me the scenes about the music,the atmosphere and the dancers.the origins of a played record are way down on my list. and how do you know if records that are played are boots. do you go through every dj,s box and examine his records befor he plays it.do you know every record they own. wayne
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 13:21 Updated: 2003/12/18 13:21 Re: name & shame game......reminder Fair comment Wayne on the count of some stuff played because it is rare - take Bobby Kline Say Something Nice To Me or Bobby Sheen Something New To Do o.k. not rocking horse shit but have u ever tried dancing to them for chrissakes?!!! Ok if u are on fucking crutches or something. too slow but played at the time cos they were rare. another one that is beyond me that is rare is Mr Soul - how the fuck do you dance to that??? nice listening record maybe, but a dancer-dont think so!!
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 16:00 Updated: 2003/12/18 16:00 Re: name & shame game......reminder Ive seen some of the top Wigan Djs use CDs. And they have been there from the early days, I cant have been the only one to have seen it.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 20:43 Updated: 2003/12/18 20:43 Re: name & shame game......reminder ST LONDON, Respect pal, but the names Mark, respect your comments but I personally do not agree with them, you do it your way and Ill do it my way.... oh the original records issue, inflated prices etc. has nothing to do with my points, a private transaction between a dealer and collector for a genuine first generation authentic USA 45 is just that private, like I said a bit like buying an original work of art, antique etc. collectors desire the real thing is all, Im not telling you what to buy but my point was the legal issue and the get rich quick ethics of the bootlegger. Mark Bicknell.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/18 22:10 Updated: 2003/12/18 22:10 Re: name & shame game......reminder hi mark the bootlegged records are only down to supply and demand. if no one bought em they wouldnt boot em.# it may be morally wrong in some peoples eyes but they have always been there and will probable continue. personally i think they help the scene as well cause it means the masses can hear certain tracks at their local soul do,s that they wouldnt normally hear without having to travel vast distances because only one dj has a copy of a certain track. wayne
grant Posted: 2003/12/19 7:20 Updated: 2003/12/19 7:20 Hardest Joined: 2003/3/25 From: Stockport Posts: 339 Re: name & shame game......reminder I think this debate could go on forever. I think the point Mark B is trying to make is that he enjoys great pleasure in tracking down rare original soul records - whatever the cost - he is not bragging about how much he pays for them (Im sure Mark would like to buy a £100 record for a tenner if he was offered it!!). It is easy for someone to buy a boot and play it at a gig, and as long as they are available to buy (lets face it they are all over ebay, main dealers lists, record fairs, allniters etc) it will continue. Mark is only pointing out the wrongs of the bootlegging and he can only be right in that respect. It is frustrating to have a hard-to-find 45 and then along come Stardust or someone and hey presto! The terminology these days is lookalikes isnt it? I do get the points of availability to the masses anmd that Joe Bloggs on the dancefloor probably wouldnt know an orig from a boot and probably doesnt give a toss anyway, but it has to be said there is a real feeling of satisfaction in playing a real one on the decks. Grant
JTrouble Posted: 2003/12/19 12:53 Updated: 2003/12/19 12:58 Hardest Joined: 2003/6/16 From: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Posts: 445 Re: name & shame game......reminder Im not sure many of you know me, but for those who dont I am a rare funk collector and DJ. I would like to say that I support Mark Bicknells comments 100%. On the funk scene it is generally accepted practice to play reissues/bootlegs and dub plates. In fact if you speak out against this practice you are told to stop being a twat, a snob, or an elitist and as a DJ, if you say bootlegs/reissues should not be played you will probably find yourself getting fewer gigs as a result!!!!! Without wanting to name names, even the flag ship nights and the best Djs play pressings and dub plates of rare records. Personally I find this very frustating, as I am not just a DJ, but am the kind of person who travels accross the country, and even into Europe to dance to good records (thats rare on the funk scene). However, I do have a half decent collection of rare funk/soul/crossover, and I when I find out that a DJ is playing a pressing/reissue or bootleg of a rare record that I have sat at home how am I ment to react? Well, having spent money on trains/fuel/taxis etc and spent hours in transit I am obviously going to be pissed off, frustated and disrespectful and I wont go to the night again. But even if you dont have the records yourself, should you still dance to the DJ if he/she plays bootlegs/CDs/reissues etc? In my humble, but very correct opinion, NO! If you go to an art gallary, and when you get there, there are photo copies of paintings on the wall, you are going to be pissed off and you should get your entry fee back. Shane said "The fact that the guy on the decks has not bought his set from HMV but spent most of his adult life acquiring such gems from here, there and everywhere is much more sentimental to me. You can look on with admiration and feel like you are part of a very special scene." This is the point. Its about respect and doing things the right way, which is the only way that a scene can build up loyal and dedicated followers. Perhaps this is the reason the crowds at funk nights are very fickle and you will not see the same faces week in, week out, and apart from a few dancers at Madame Jo Jos there is little sense of community. Perhaps if the funk scene had more upstanding, strong characters like Mark Bicknell then it would not be quite so disjointed, ramshackle and weak. Maybe I am wrong. and maybe Wayne is right with his comments about the "good majority dont give a toss if its an original played or a boot". All I know for sure is that if the DJs play boots/Cds/reissues I will not be dancing, and I will not travel to any night where this practice is encouraged. Rant over. Trouble. BTW. Keb and Butch have a rare soul night at Jo Jos on Boxing Day. 10till3.
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mike- Posted: 2003/12/19 14:46 Updated: 2003/12/19 14:49 team member Joined: 2002/8/26 From: Posts: 2244 Online! Re: name & shame game......reminder no probs with deviating! though may be easier and get better response like, if post up new thread in forum on q hold it up to the light if vinyl browny color = boot
Guest Posted: 2003/12/19 16:42 Updated: 2003/12/19 16:42 Re: name & shame game......reminder hi trouble i understand youres and marks points but i see it from a dancers point of veiw and not a collectors/dj,s. if im at a venue and a tune i like is played ill dance.im not to know whether its original or a boot and prob a lot of the people there wouldnt know or really care. if the majority was that bothered they wouldnt buy em or dance to em,but they pack floors and sell. dont think you could stop it happening even by naming and shaming
JTrouble Posted: 2003/12/22 7:47 Updated: 2003/12/22 7:47 Hardest Joined: 2003/6/16 From: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Posts: 445 Re: name & shame game......reminder But why make look a like 45s? If it is just about making the music obtainable and affordable to the general public just put the tracks out on CD. You can get 20+ tracks on a CD and sell it for £10/20. People buy look a like records because they want to pretend to be Butch, or Ginger or Mark et al. The only reason to buy bootleg 45s is to pretend to have the original when they DJ. If people are allowed to DJ with bootlegs then what is the point of collectors chasing mega rare 45s only to be slapped in the face when they go to a night and see a nobody wanna be playing THEIR record off a bootleg? The whole issue of original rare records being desirable comes from DJs wanting new and relatively exclusive tracks to play. Just like big radio & club DJs need pre-release promos or exclusives to justify their status, so do DJs playing old stuff - the more good tracks you have that few other people have, the better you are considered. And this is right because we all want to hear new records and this competitiveness creates the incentive to find them and it drives the scene forward. If DJs are allowed to play bootlegs, what is the incentive to hunt originals? There is non, and the scene will die.
Guest Posted: 2003/12/22 12:30 Updated: 2003/12/22 12:30 Re: name & shame game......reminder Polotics will kill the scene not bootlegs.... Imagine not really understanding Northern/Rare soul, being new to it, youve gone to a couple of dos with a mate, enjoyed the night think ill have a look on the internet and coming across this site, (Not this site this topic) What would you think then? Anyone who has answerd this topic has answerd it because of there passion and love of the music and the scene, dont take it away with who plays what and on what label. I understand things are important but some things are more important than others, the scene depends on everything from when you get in the car to go to a do, driving 100+ miles going through the door experiancing the night then and coming back home and talking about it, this is what makes the scene, not the labels. on a differnt note... Have a Merry Christmas and a Soulful New Year
Guest Posted: 2003/12/27 15:14 Updated: 2003/12/27 15:14 Re: name & shame game......reminder Right lets kill this once & for all, you are entitled to your opinions & I genuinly respect your right to that oppinion, but Djs regardless of who they are should not be playing bootlegs, its absolutely wrong, if you cant afford a real un, then find something that you can afford to play out thats good or do what any self respecting Dj/collector does & turn detective & find one for the price you wanna pay, this subject is really past its sell by date, those of you that wanna Dj, get the real deal or dont bother, as for ex-Wigan Djs playing from CD, does it really suprise you, & it really doesnt matter that much any way, cos my idea of Rare Soul & theirs is probably a million miles apart, back in the day these guys were the bollocks, unfortunately Rare Soul to me is an exciting progressive form of music, a lot of the nostalgia events may be successful from a promoters point of view & all those people wanting to relive thier last good night at Wigan love it, but what relevance does it have on a forward thnking progressive music scene.......errrrmmmmm none. I could go on forever but really cant be bothered, if you aint got the proper release dont bother. Russ V
Guest Posted: 2003/12/28 12:53 Updated: 2003/12/28 12:53 Re: name & shame game......reminder I started all this so only fair I put this baby to bed, some of you have missed my point totally as my comments really have nothing to do with the playing of bootlegs rather more the manufacture of them as being totally illegal and simply not the done thing. As for playing them, well.... thats the final insult to this very sad affair, personally I would pull the plug on any DJ doing this so enough said. As Russ V said lets close this subject once and for all as its really not that important is it? as some people dont give a flying fuck about any of this do they? Simply - Keep It Real - Mark Bicknell.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/4 22:21 Updated: 2004/1/4 22:21 Re: name & shame game......reminder Only just come across this thread, but as Mark mentioned me in his original post I thought Id better throw my hat into the ring. It took me five years of searching, and £1200 (Which I financed by selling other records, I dont have that much spare cash lying about the house) to get my copy of The Brooks Brothers. Now every one can buy a bootleg for a tenner. To be honest, I have no problem with people buying bootlegs to play at home, but why anyone would want to buy bootleg vinyl is beyond me when both tracks are easily available on CD for home use. It leads me to think that the people buying the boots want to use them to DJ with. That I have a problem with. Five years work, and £1200......... unusable if someone plays the boot in a spot before me. (Not strictly true because I would still play my original and quite happily name the DJ who played the bootleg as playing bootlegs when they are DJing :-)) Yes to a certain degree its elitist, but every scene which involves collecting things is elitist. Thats the nature of competing for scarce resources. And I like to think thats one of the reasons I get bookings as a DJ, because people know I will only play originals. The comparison used early made me laugh, art galleries with photocopies of the pictures. Ive often used antiques as another example. Do you want to see genuine antiques or reproduction furniture. Obvious when you phrase the question like this isnt it. Only a complete twat would want to see reproduction furniture rather than the real thing. So to return to Mr Bicknell. I always remember him saying once, "If it aint real, dont do it". That goes for me too, play your bootlegs at home if you must, but remember every tenner you spend on a bootleg is a tenner you could have spent on a CD from one of the legitimate companies who pay royalties to the writers and artists. And if five hundred people spend that tenner on a bootleg, that legitimate company might not have enough income to put out their next CD, so who loses then ? We all, as Soul fans, DJs, artists, writers, etc do. Simple. Buy boots if you must. Play them at home if you must. Dont ever shortchange people when you DJ though, only play originals. Dave Rimmer
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 1:14 Updated: 2004/1/5 1:14 Re: name & shame game......reminder Why would any of these worry you if you were a true collector. I think this seems to be more of an elitist issue with DJs to be honest. I do feel playing bootlegs is a bit off though, given the morale code of our scene. Just be pleased you have a copy of the Tay disc, you are very lucky.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 12:03 Updated: 2004/1/5 12:03 Re: name & shame game......reminder How many times do I have to stress that this has nothing to do with the collecting or selling of original records or an eliitist thing with DJs...... Its the moral, legal issue here which is in question and the fact that some chancer is making money off the back of someone elses talent.... and why do you consider DJs to be elitist because they choose to do it the best way they know how, is it a British trait or what to have a go at the good guys and let the shit heads get away with it...sorry I cant do that!!!!! Just because the likes of myself, Dave Rimmer who took ages to locate the Brooks Brothers and many others be subject of being accused to be elitist is total rubbish. I would rather be put in this bracket to one that cheats and rips people off for my own financial gain, how dare you insult us in this way!!!!! You think we stand up there behind the decks for fun, we do it because we love it, we love a packed dance floor and yes we love authentic big fuck off records because thats the nature of the game we are in THE RARE SOUL SCENE, a scene based on mainly rare American Soul records and yes some of them sell for large sums of money, is that a sin????? and if we choose to follow this and chase the big records to play at venues to entertain does this make us elitist...I Dont think so! I collect original records because I want too. Chuck some insults at the bootleggers and not us please, follow some correct ethics instead of having a pop at the good guys.... Dave good on you mate.. I hope your next shit rare megga want comes your way real soon..........Keep It Real - Mark Bicknell.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 13:33 Updated: 2004/1/5 13:33 Re: name & shame game......reminder Without wanting to be too offensive, heres what I think (again)... People buy lookalike bootlegs because they want to DJ and pretend to be Butch et al. If they just "want to have the music", buy a CD! If DJs are allowed to play bootlegs, what is the incentive for the real DJs to hunt originals? The result would be a scene full of northern soul tribute nights, like the rock and roll scene, or perhaps similar to "Carwash" or "Starsky and Hutch"! A stagnant, retro quagmire. If you buy bootleg 45s you are responsible for helping to push the scene into a retrospective state, degeneration and ultimate destruction. Because without your support there would be no market for bootleg lookalike 45s. If a DJ plays a bootleg at a night you go to, ask the promoter for your money back, this will help kill off demand for those nasty, underhanded, horrible and disgusting lookalike bootlegs. JT 😮
JTrouble Posted: 2004/1/5 13:35 Updated: 2004/1/5 13:35 Hardest Joined: 2003/6/16 From: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Posts: 445 Re: name & shame game......reminder Without wanting to be too offensive, heres what I think (again)... People buy lookalike bootlegs because they want to DJ and pretend to be Butch et al. If they just "want to have the music", buy a CD! If DJs are allowed to play bootlegs, what is the incentive for the real DJs to hunt originals? The result would be a scene full of northern soul tribute nights, like the rock and roll scene, or perhaps similar to "Carwash" or "Starsky and Hutch"! A stagnant, retro quagmire. If you buy bootleg 45s you are responsible for helping to push the scene into a retrospective state, degeneration and ultimate destruction. Because without your support there would be no market for bootleg lookalike 45s. If a DJ plays a bootleg at a night you go to, ask the promoter for your money back, this will help kill off demand for those nasty, underhanded, horrible and disgusting lookalike bootlegs. JT 😮
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 16:36 Updated: 2004/1/5 16:36 Re: name & shame game......reminder What exactly is your point ? Nobody has insulted you or Dave Rimmer. You can try and articulate it in any graphical shape or words you like, but it is elitist, and youve said it yourself. Who are you to deprive others of bootlegs and lookalikes if thats what they want to buy, maybe they dont like CDs okay. Its really none of your business. And dont try and claim the higher morale ground, its pathetic and doesnt stack up. You should try reading others posts probably first, instead of seeing ghosts and enemies.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 16:36 Updated: 2004/1/5 16:36 Re: name & shame game......reminder Hey Guys, Thanks, youve entertained me all day and ohhhh... im glad to be out of this scene. Want to be like Butch...pmsl thats the best line ive read for years...fantastic! Bootlegs are everywhere just like dvds,cds,clothes,watchs etc etc. I used to be one of the people who would get upset and defend everything that was real about the Scene but you know what...no one really gives a F*ck. I agree that bootleggers are scum but only a few people like Mark stand up and tell the truth. Most people on the Dancefloor couldnt care less (some will) as they just wanna dance and enjoy, the people in the record bar just want to make money and sometimes rip there friends off & then theres the people who just wanna get smashed on drugs/drink and talk sh8t all night about there ex wife/husband. Dont worry about a small number of bootlegs coming from the manchester area as theyve been doing cds for years and f*ck all royalties have been paid. Yes i feel sorry for the artist/writer etc but ive seen people get upset when grapevine/kent have legally isssued 45s of rare records. Bootlegs will never effect the price of an original rare copy....people know there onions these days. Now re the Djing side...well it should be originals all the way with maybe the odd exception. The scene has lost so many great one off records to collectors who stay at home and do not go out on the scene never mind dj. Should we ignore a dub/bootleg of a record that maybe only 1/2 exist in some blokes mansion! should the dancefloor suffer cause of a moral/elitist stand. I agree with Mr Rimmer re Brooks brothers as i dont see the point bootlegging records like that...many djs have it and most people will have it on cd. There is no real answer guys & girls but if people were to walk out of venues cause a dj played a dub/bootleg then we would have many empty venues up north and down south. In a perfect world the artist would get what they deserve but we dont live in a perfect world and the Northern scene is far from perfect. Keep it real and smile,be happy and enjoy. Nice to see people getting passionate about this subject as it shows people care and take the time to write...oh ya can the people who dont sign there real names F*ck off and go somewhere else ya sad twats. carefree Greg.
Ps its a great shame that some of the so called big named djs/collectors dont get off there arses and contribute to this great web site.
Give it up to mick h from notts Union/CSC who went up to a dj at desborough and told him to stop playing a bootleg.
Caused a verbal fight mind but was entertaining.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 17:16 Updated: 2004/1/5 17:16 Re: name & shame game......reminder I think Mr Bicknell, Russ Vickers, admin, Mr Croasdale and plenty others know who the bootleg bandits are, dont keep on repeating yourself and just tell the good people out there who they are. You still see these people around im sure, point them out at soul nights and lets send them packing once and for all. Name the bandits today and be done with it, dont hide the names of these creatures. If i had the proof i would shout it from the rooftops. Carl.. Cheshire
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 17:46 Updated: 2004/1/5 17:46 Re: name & shame game......reminder A final note.... here here Greg and BOLLOCKS TO IT ALL. May I suggest to the person who I have offended read my original comments and you will see my point is the legal issue, oh and if you wanna go head to head on a subject at least put you name to it then we can talk ok. To be honest I dont really give a flying fuck what you think,say or do regarding this matter, if you think we are elitist then live with it, how dare you take the moral ground with me, Im trying to stand up to what is right but after all this fuck ill say nothing but when it all goes to shit dont blame me, and like Greg said who gives a flying fuck really. And what is your point do you have a vested interest in illegal bootlegs....if the shoe fits and all that!!!! Mark Bicknell
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 18:13 Updated: 2004/1/5 18:13 Re: name & shame game......reminder And finally, Ive asked Mike Hughes to close this debate as we seem to be going round in circles on this one, respect to everyones passion and feedback, Ive calmed down a bit now and would like to submit an open apology to the gentleman who expressed his opinion ie. THE ELISTIST suggestion on reflection perhaps on the outside the collecting and playing of big money rare records could come across as elitist, I really cant comment on this as I do it for me because it floats my boat and when I present Northern Soul at a venue I have do be true to myself and authentic sorry its old school is that growing up with people like Dave Greet, Ian Cark, Tony Ellis, Mick Smith etc. etc. If people wanna purchase their music on other formats such as CD or bootleg then I agree it has nothing to do with me, as I stated from the off its the legal issue of bootlegs which my comments were directed at. All I wish to do is do the best I can when DJing and take pride in my collecting and really just want to share the whole real deal is all. Mark Bicknell - subject closed.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 18:18 Updated: 2004/1/5 18:18 Re: name & shame game......reminder Mark, Youre mixing issues and I suspect trying to diliberately confuse the debate. I have no interest whatsoever, just my right of opinion. The people who buy bootlegs have a right of choice, I personally think its nice that they can own a lookalike, its the next best thing to an original if thats what they can afford. On the legal front, by using your records to DJ and get paid, strictly speaking you probably have a legal issue yourself!! You may think youre standing up for what is right, but I think its more of a case of what suits you to be honest.... if the shoe fits and all that !!! From a collector with more one offs and rarities than you, okay.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 18:20 Updated: 2004/1/5 18:20 Re: name & shame game......reminder Mark, Ive just read your post after submitting my last one. Thank you. and closed. Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 19:35 Updated: 2004/1/5 19:35 Re: name & shame game......reminder Now whos being elitist?????? like I care you got more one offs and rare records than me but good luck to you!!!! again this is not the issue here and to be honest i really dont care anymore plus you still wont put your name to your comments so this really is nothing more than a personal dig at me and thats very different, I gave an open apology to you and you still snipe and hide............ If you would like to talk about this further then my email is bicknellmark@aol.com I accept that you replied to my last but one comment prior to reading my last post so perhaps best we let it lie as it aint really that important and Im certainly not going to fall out over this with a nameless person - this will be my final post on Soulsource as i really can not be bothered anymore so Ill leave it to you with your one offs and rare records, no hard feelings but this is total bollocks. Mark Bicknell.
Guest Posted: 2004/1/5 20:35 Updated: 2004/1/5 20:35 Re: name & shame game......reminder It was a response to your hostility, and I apologise for it too.
mike- Posted: 2004/1/5 20:40 Updated: 2004/1/5 20:40 team member Joined: 2002/8/26 From: Posts: 2244 Online! THREAD CLOSED As requested by Mark Please do not post anymore to this thread! Mark expressed concern that his original meaning has been stretched and so on. Along with some of the posts from "no names" do agree with him and as such ask all not to post any more in this thread Unfortunately the comments feature is not as featured as the forum , so can not "lock" posts as can do in forum. Therefore any further posts on here will be deleted. Help us out by not posting
Marks last post does raise some issues, however will post about these in forum later. Am just posting up Marks latest article in the big daddy section. Hopefully this will not be his last as myself feel Marks articles are one of the most worthwhile parts of site and sure vast majority even if dont agree with his points or views think so as well
As said thread closed please do not post further in this thread here
Source DJ spotlight - Jumping Joan
Have caught Joans soul outputs a fair few times over the last 18 months or so, have seen her saving nighters, winding up the monkey, dancefloor destruction at New Century, being just a few times have caught her, always a pleasure to hear and see a passionate and enthusastic dj
Managed to grab a few current plays of her over the weekend along with a couple of cheap tips and forthcoming spots.
A rough and ready, dark and mysterious video clip of Joan getting the new century niter jumping from http://www.newcenturysoul.co.uk website
( click on image to play )
Current plays
venturas- heart of love -green light
chi-lites -shes mine - blue rock
mr caldwell -love bandit -scorpio
sharon mcmahan - got to find another guy - karen
george hughley -thats why i cry- buddah
buddy lamp -save your love -wheelsville
Huns revue - dont make me love you - sorro
headlines - looking for love -luau
affordable top tips
brenda and tabs - thats in the past - dionn
major iv - this little girl of mine - venture
upcoming spots
Joans guesting up in Scotland for the 4th Annivesary thats coming up soon and apart from her many usual guest spots around the NW and beyond. Can be caught at her regular residencies along with Eddie Engel, Alex Jones and Sid Jones at places like Dunkinfield next one Fri 28 Jan, ztsc and more
Source Spotlight is hoped to be a regular feature, whilst out and about the team plan to hassle many of the djs who are members on here to pass on plays, tips and news, and if we get the details home safely use them for an informative well written article!
Joan has been a member of soul source for a fair while (used to have different user name) and can get in touch via her profile page
Funk Brothers - Live in London January 2004
The Funk Brothers, Isaac Hayes, Steve Winwood and special guests
Present
Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
The original band who played on all the great Motown classics are due to grace the stage of the Royal Festival Hall.
For more than four decades, from the dance floors of the world, to the Detroit riots of 1967, to the war in Vietnam, the music the Funk Brothers created has played a major role in the cultural fabric of all our lives.
Standing in the Shadows of Motown (now a documentary film) finally puts faces to the music that introduced these heroic musical figures to the world.
Tickets: £20.00 - £35.00Box Office: 020 7960 4242 (9am - 8pm daily)
Or book online at: www.rfh.org.uk/main/booking/index.html?esroevent=23603
Seems Kolla had a few problems posting which was due to the trialing of the new wysiwyg news submission, so have sorted things a bit
Once Upon a Time in Wigan (UK Tour)
For further info on what the play is about visit:- link now gone
The dates are as follows:
20-31 January Contact Theatre, MANCHESTER
3&4 February The Helix, DUBLIN
10-14 February Palace Theatre, WESTCLIFF
17&18 February The Wolsey, IPSWICH
20&21 February Queens Hall, WIDNES
24-28 February Nuffield Theatre, SOUTHAMPTON
2-6 March Mansfield Palace, NOTTS
9-13 March OLDHAM Coliseum
23-27 March Charter Theatre, PRESTON
30 Mar-2 Apr Greenwich Theatre, LONDON
To download the promotional leaflet visit: link now gone
Future Notts Union and Half Time Event Details
Arthur Conley Dies @ 57
Scenesville Cancelled
'On The Scene' Goes National PRESS RELEASE
PRESS RELEASE
Fresh Promotions today the 14th of November 2003 launched the first national issue of ‘On The Scene’
Formerly a North West only Soul & Mod Gig and Media Guide, ‘On The Scene’ has now due to overwhelming demand become a national gig guide, listing Soul and Mod events from all over the country.
Spokesman for Fresh Promotions Paul Metcalfe said; “We had not envisaged such a demand for the guides even though we believed it to be a good idea ourselves”. He added; “after speaking to users of the guide we have found most people have it hung up somewhere in their home and are using it as a reference tool, Ginger Taylor being a prime example of this as he has it pinned up next to his precious Man United fixtures listings, we could have not have wished for a greater compliment”.
Any promoter wanting to place a listing in the guide can contact Fresh Promotions on 01253 318267.
or email via
paulmet@blueyonder.co.uk
Notes to Editors
* ‘On The Scene’ is the nations only FREE National Mod and Soul Gig and Media Guide
* It can be obtained for the price of postage direct from Fresh Promotions on 01253 318267
SOUL SAM & MICK H @ The Plinston
Capitol Soul Club Fri 28 Nov News
Capitol Soul Club Friday 28th November 4th Anniversary
"The end of an era and the start of a new" (Free CD to first 100 punters)
Well folks its that time again when we celebrate another year of Rare 6ts Soul/RnB @ The Dome in Tufnell Park North London.
This anniversary is even more special as two of the gang are leaving us. David Flynn is emigrating early next year to foreign lands and founder member Irish Greg is stepping down for his own reasons...boredom & Chelsea...
Alan Handscombe & Carl Fortnum will continue at the CSC and will be joined behind the decks by Mick H. from Nottingham as a resident.
Next years dates have been confirmed already and the booking of guest DJs (highest quality as usual). Guest DJs for the 4th Anniversary are Ady Croasdell (100Club) and the much travelled Mr Kenny Burrell.
The night is billed as the Rarest of The Rare (not value of records mind but Rarity & Obscurity) This should test most of the DJs to dig deep and find those obscure+unissued gems.
We recommend that you get there early to obtain the free CD (doors open at 9.30pm).
www.capitolsoulclub.homestead.com
e-mail: okehal@hotmail.com
Please note that this is the last CSC for 2003 (December date cancelled)
Stay Soulful
Alan Handscombe
In Response To Those Have Mailed Us
Lowton This Friday - Line Up
Soul Generations - A Weekly Sunday Event- 23 Nov Bolton
We are pleased to announce Soul Generations, a new soul event in the North-West promoted by Di-Lee Promotions. Soul Generations takes place every Sunday at J2, Nelson Square, Bolton, Lancashire, from 9pm till 1am. The first of this weekly event takes place on 23rd November.
Every Sunday this will be a superb two room soul experience playing a quality selection of soulful tunes from the 70s, 80s, and Y2k/Nu-Soul as well as soulful garage.
Resident DJs Di-Lee and Dutchy are accompanied by well known soul DJs such as Sam Lee, Mike Stephens, Barry Maleady, Mark G and Daz Bennett to create a fantastic experience across the whole soul spectrum.
Once a month this event is expanded into a 4 room event to also include the very best in Northern Soul.
The first event is scheduled for Sunday 14th December with special guest appearance of Northern Soul DJ Dave Evison.
For more information please contact: J2 01204 392 391 Di-Lee Promotions 07708 32 77 00
MISS THIS AT YOUR PERIL.......These Old Shoes on Thursday, 13th Nov
At These Old Shoes, we always try to come up with a new spin on old vinyl and I think weve pulled the set of the century out of the hat. Terry Jones has agreed to play some of his subliminal sixties soul that rarely gets an outing these days. Needless to say, we are delighted at TOS to have Mr Jones on the decks
See events page for further details.
Thanks Jo
www.theseoldshoes.com
Latest Plinston News
The last one was a 420 packer so call the box office on 01462-672003 or drop us a line at nh6tsmafia@aol.com.
Tickets for our January 16th event will also be on sale from Friday when we are joined by the Gods that are Mick Smith (his sense of direction permitting!) and Butch, spinning not only Northern in the Main Hall but also, for the first time ever, Modern/Crossover upstairs in The Ghetto! with Soul Sam, Taffy and Nathan.
An event not to be missed. Lastly, all those who have been asking about The Honey Monster on the poster can make themselves known to him this Friday where he will more than likely Stomp in the name of love.
See ya on the night for a quality soul bash.
TheBigO
News of a Weekender at Torquay in May 2004
Mr Dyson plays and a lookback!
Was it really a year ago? ......, Mr Dyson, Mr Mick H, Mr Willingham, Mr Thomas all up to something at last Novs monkey. Strangely enough 12 months on and 3 of the 4 are lined up yet again, which in a spirt of plug till you drop, is a more than good enough reason to post this up along with some plays, info and more all over the site.
Andy Dysons plays, we ripped this from the great website, On The Real Side Soul Club which is well worth a visit .
While its about a year old and obvisouly doesnt feature some of his current plays , it does give a idea of just what a nite you are in for this Saturday at the monkey when you think along with this be getting the best of
Andy Rix, Rob Thomas Carl Willingham and Jumping Joan ...and thats just in one room.....somebody call me a doctor
Andy Dyson, playlist 2002-12-07 from Real Side Soul Club
Tropics "Hey You Little Girl" TOPIC
Silhouettes "Not Me Baby" GOODWAY
Versatiles (Magnetics) "Thats What I Call Love" UNISSUED
Spencer Wiggins "Lets Talk It Over" UNISSUED
Robert Sanders&Entertainers "What I Dont See Cant Hurt Me" VLV
Freddy Williams "I Got To Live While I Can" HOLLYWOOD
Alice Clark "You Hit Me" WB
Clay Hunt "Since I Lost You" KAPP
Four Andantes "Hipper Than Me" MODO
Jewel Akens "My First Lonely Night" ERA
Dream Team "Im Not Satisfied" GREGORY
Shep "Im Sitting In" TNT
Oscar Irving "If It Aint One Thing Its Another" BOBLO
Jeanette Williams "All Of A Sudden" BACK BEAT
Abraham&His Sons "Your Mother Understood" REVUE
Scotty Williams "Fear" MONA LEE
Bobby Bland "I Aint Myself Anymore" DUKE
Ascots "Another Day" MIR-A-DON
Bobby Guitar Bennet "Thats Just What You Did" JUNIOR
John&The Weirdest "One of the sides, cant remember which" TIE
Ascots "Anytime" MIR-A-DON
Sinceres "Girl I Love You" PZAZZ
Bobby Moore "Lets Prove Them Wrong" KAY-O
Lou Pride "Your Love Is Fading" SUEMI
Turbines "We Got To Start Over" CENCO
Montclairs "Hey You" ARCH
Dennis Edwards "Johnny On The Spot" INTL. SOULVILLE
Icemen "Its Time You Knew" OLÃÆ’° 9
Ralph Soul Jackson "Set Me Free" BLACK CAT
Fredrick Hymes "Time Aint Gonna Do Me No Favors" FAB VEGAS
Mac Staten&Nomads "There She Goes" PRELUDE?
Sensations "Demanding Man" WAY OUT
Homer Banks "Sweetie Pie" GENIE
Robert Tanner "Sweet Memories" MEGATONE
Johnny Gilliam "Baby Take Me Back" MODERN
J.J. Barnes "Get A Hold Of Yourself" MICKAYS
Parliaments "Cry No More" CABELL
Clarence Townsend "I Found A New Love" CLARA
Donna King "Take Me Home" HOTLINE
Sammy King "Your Old Standby" MARATHON
Little Eddie taylor "I Had A Good Time" PEACOCK
Holidays "I Lost You" GROOVE CITY
Dells "Make Sure" CADET
Johnny Sayles "I Cant Get Enough" ST. LAWRENCE
James Bell&Highligters "The Love Of My Girl" THREE DIAMONDS
Eddie Rey "Ive Got Something Of Value" TRUE SOUL
Ebony Essence "Let Me In" GOODIE TRAIN
Ollie Jackson "Gotta Wipe Away The Teardrops" MAGNUM
Arthur Freeman "You Got Me Uptight" JUMBO
Winfield Parker "I Love You Just The Same" RU-JAC
Bill Coday "Right On" CRAJON
Kell Osborne "Small Things Make A Big Difference" NEW BAG
Melvin Elling "Lonely Eyes" STRETCH
Betti Lou&Bobby Adams "Dr Truelove" T-RAX
Reactions "Live My Life For Myself" SANFRIS
Honey&Bees "Dynamite Exploded" ARCTIC
Ralph Graham "She Just Sits There" UP-FRONT
Lovers "Without A Doubt" FRANTIC
Vanguards "Gotta Have Love" LAMP
Bill Brandon "Whatever I Am, Im Yours" MOONSONG
Little Dooley "If Ever I Needed You" KOKO
Willie Kendrick "Change Your Ways" RCA VICTOR
Volumes "Aint Gonn Give You Up" KAREN
Gordon Keith "Look Ahead" CALUMET
Bobby Montgomery "Make Me Yours" GENERATION
Lee Bates "Why Dont You Write" INSTANT
Don Gardner "Cheatin Kind" SEDGRICK
Precisions "I Wanna Tell My Baby" D-TOWN
Locations "Mr Diamond Man" RON PAUL
Tommy Knight "Baby, My Love" ABTONE ACETATE
E. Rodney Jones "Peace Of Mind" TUFF
Larry Laster "Thats Just What You Did" DUO VIRGO
Bobby Peyton "Keep Calling Me" HILTON
Herman Lewis "Somethings Wrong" ? UNISSUED
Shalimars "Surprise" (+ FLIPSIDE) COVER UP
Larry Chubby Reynolds "Sweet Tooth" TRI-SPIN
Tommy Soul "Ill Be Right Here" GASLIGHT
Webs "Dont Hurt Me" DYNAMICS
Johnny Barnes "Nothing Without Your Love" JABA
Henry Brooks "Greatest Debt To My Mother"
Eddie Hughes "Soul Searcher" BARD
Melvin Brown&James Matthews "Love Stormy Weather" PHILMORE SOUND
Bobby Bennet "Alone With My Tears" V-TONE
Bicknells Bits and Bobs - Im Your Puppet! I Dont Think So!!!!!!!
Freelance DJs. Im Your Puppet! I Dont Think So!!!!!!!!
Sometimes I think our scene is set in Westminster rather than in venues up and down the country, firstly I wish we could leave politics to Tony Blair and Co but no it keeps on coming and its simply not on. Its been suggested to me recently that Im disloyal when it comes to DJing for certain venues which is total bollocks, now note this.... Im a freelance DJ who works for who I want when I want of course when Im kindly asked of course!!!!!! Im not a puppet where someone else pulls the strings or worse has his hand up my arse, its funny but those who shout loudest often pay peanuts so dont tell me what I can and cant do please its fucking insulting, and if you dont wish to book me then thats your choice and I respect that, still the only people who lose out are the Soul fans as some might say Im a pretty good entertaining DJ so again your loss not mine.
At the end of the day Im simply one of the lads who plays a few records because I enjoy it nothing more, its a hobby be it life long, it should be about fun and trying to contribute something to the scene of quality which I always try and do when Im booked to play a few tunes. As regard being disloyal to a venue or venues who have only booked me six or seven times in so many years again this is total bollocks, Its nice to be put in such high regard from certain areas of the scene who may consider me to be a major player.
To suggest that not being asked to play at certain venues may damage my DJ career is a total nonsence as so far this year I have played in Edinburgh, Hinckley, Bisley, Birmingham, Bedford, Letchworth, Prestatyn Weekender and many venues in the North West so bookings are pretty good, booked on merrit, reputation, entertainment value, quality of collection etc. and not on the fact you DJ for me I DJ for you ethic. Basically Im loyal to who ever books me and pays me the wages, and no it aint about the money as no amount of cash would ever come close to the money I have spent and spend on my records. I object to the suggestion that Im disloyal and listen when X,Y,Z purchase my records, pay my bills and look after my family then they can tell me what I can and cant do, until then NO ONE has the right to suggest this to me or to any other DJ come to think of it and I dont care who they think they are or how my power or command they have over this scene as there are far more worse tatics and bad ethics going on right now than simply being your own man and freelance DJ. Talk of level playing fields have been mentioned also recently... well the Northern Soul scene playing field at the present time has that much of a slope on it you could ski down it.
Just another point..... I would like to stress that I have nothing to do with the running of the new Manchester allnighter on December 6th at The New Century Hall other than being asked to DJ as resident which is some 12 gigs booked and confirmed for 2004, now I would be a fool to turn this down. This is not my venue as I am basically helping with the DJs nothing more, yes of course I want it to work as a lot of work, effort and money has already been invested in what promises to be a major new venue for the Northern Soul scene, the pre buzz is very good with many people not just me pulling together from all over the country to try and make it work so lets just get on with it and see what happens........
Many of the UKs top DJs have been asked to do future sessions at the CIS including - Andy Dyson, Dean Anderson, Ian Cunliffe, Guy Hennigan, Soul Sam, Bob Hinsley, Tim Brown, Robo, Jo Wallace, Sean Chapman, Tommy Potts, Neil Jones, Dave Rimmer, Roger Banks, Andy Rix, Rob Thomas, Mick H to name but a few. So its a very credible venue to be part of from a freelance DJ perspective and every effort has been made to look after everyone who plays at the venue and we welcome any suggestions or new blood DJs who will be given the chance via The New Century Soul Club. Other Stuff.
A big thank you to both Derek Mead and Peter Kelross and all at the wonderful Bisley Pavillion Soul night last Saturday November 15th, a wonderful night packed to the rafters with some wonderful people, so cool to play down south again, a fantastic night. Good to see many of the old faces who made the night for me, special thanks to John Donovan from Reading who I have not seen for must be twenty years who gave me my original Wigan Casino membership back which I thought had long gone.
Nice to see Paula and Andy Crane, The Basingstoke crew, Cockney Mick who still looks the same and many others, it was simply a blast to DJ alongside old mates like Roger Stewart, Derek and Pete...... Thanks guys. Seems like the Brooks Brothers, Johnny Rodgers, Larry Clinton, Bobby Kline, Jimmy Burns, Ty Karim, Phonetics, Cashmeres, Jimmy Wallace, Danny Woods, Jesse Johnson all went down well in Bisley, so much so thanks to all the kind comments after the spot..........
Looking forward to playing a few tunes at Junction 11 Soul Club on Saturday 29th November at Brookfields Riding Centre, Canock Road, Shareshill down there in the West Midlands, Junction 11 off the M6, always a packed night and a real quality venue, admission £4.50 b4 8.30pm and £5.00 after for Junction 11 members - further info on 07767 880812 / 01922 710106 / 01922 411111. Solar Radio Show. I will be celebrating three years on air this coming weekend on Sundays show 23rd November from 8am through 10am on CHANNEL 879 SKY DIGITAL and www.solarradio.com I would like to thank everyone for their loyal dedicted support over the past three years, special thanks to Garry J. Cape / John Anderson at Grapevine 2000 records, Ady Croasdell and all at Kent, Jo Wallace, Neil Jones, New Century Soul Club aka Chris Waterman and Lee Crank for their sponsorship, all the guests who have been on including Mick Howard, Brian Rae, Garry Cope, Ian Blackburn and others. Special big shout to Carl Webster Lewis and Tony Monson at Solar for giving me the original chance and break to play a few tunes on radio.
For any requests, mentions or dedications please feel free to send a quick email to studio@solarradio.com. Some four decades of quality Northern Soul club culture and music packed into two hours of action packed radio.
Thats about all this time out -
Keep it real - Mark Bicknell.
Camel Niter 07 Nov 03 Review By Shirley
Camel Niter 07 Nov 03 Review By Shirley
Friday 7th November 2003 saw the premiere of a new all-nighter held
at the Camel Club in Huddersfield. This was our first foray into the
world of all-nighter promotion and even though wed previously run
soul nights at the Rider Club and Pavilion we were aware that a soul
night and an all-nighter are two quite different animals - one of
them is a camel for a start ;-)) We hoped we were up to the job of
giving the paying soulies a darn good night so it was with an excited
nervous energy that we arrived at the Camel Club early doors on
Friday evening to set up for what we propose will become a permanent
date on the Northern Soul all-nighter calendar.
The Camel Club is relatively close to the railway & bus stations so,
for those soulies like Col & myself with own transport difficulties,
it is an ideal nighter venue. The club itself is accessed through
Byram Court in Huddersfield so although it is a town centre club its
set apart from the main hub of drunken activity that appeals
to "normal" people. Once in the courtyard the club is entered by
going down a few steps through double glass doors, the "tax" booth is
on the immediate right through these doors. Then its through
another set of double doors into club, here youll find the loos and
a cloakroom to stash bags etc. On first impressions the club appears
a bit on the "bijou" side, but this is quite deceptive as its made
up of several "areas". There is a bar in the main room, but there is
also a bar in the area we had designated for the record bar and chill
out room, in here you can hear the music and see through to the dance
floor, but if youre wanting to cut a deal over a record or just
natter about your latest acquisition then you can do so without
having to shout. On the other hand if youre a dancer then theres
alcoved seating where you can stake a base camp, this surrounds a
great wooden dancefloor where the DJs can peer out at you from the
confines of what can only be described as a cage (this had obviously
been designed with the aforementioned "normal" people in mind as Im
sure its meant to protect precious vinyl from clumsy drunks rather
than keep inquisitive soulies from checking out plays on the decks ;-
))
As this was our inaugural night I knew I wasnt going to get to dance
too much as although I was no longer "stuck" at the door to collect
the "tax" money I had been given the "straightforward" task of
issuing the "Rare Soul Collective " membership cards. We had a well
thought out system to simplify this undertaking, which in
my "capable" hands soon degenerated into hastily writing down
necessary information on new members, this new system then further
disintegrated into the new members hastily writing down their own
details, hmmm!! seemed like a good idea at the time. Ive got to say
trying to read my own scrawl the "day after" is bad enough so
unfamiliar handwriting became a real challenge, if the powers that be
ever want to verify the "Rare Soul Collective" club membership
theyre gonna find some very strange names and some unusual towns if
it comes to that. ;-)))
Col in the mean time was at the decks playing some very nice toons
whilst I was busy buggering up the "well thought out" membership
system. I was also itching to get to the dance floor, instead I
tried to jot down a few plays in the lulls between "buggering up",
this too seemed to be a far too complicated task for me as I either
(A) knew the artist but not the title, (B) knew the title but not the
artist and in some cases © didnt know the toon let alone the title
and the artist. In these instances (of which there seemed to be
many) I thought writing down key words would be useful, hmmm!!!!
again what appeared at the time to be a good idea became yet another
challenge over the next few days of deciphering ;-))
Col was followed on the decks by Alex whos playlist was full of
mainly option © as far as I was concerned. Guy was up next and as
I went to dance to some of his spins his playlist was shorter than
what he actually played. Unfortunately whilst Howard was placing his
vinyl on the decks I was deep in conversation and managed to jot down
nothing!!!!! Eddie played a blinding set but again I managed to take
note of only a few, and by the time Andy and Mick came on I had
abandoned the playlists altogether in favour of the dancefloor,
leaving Howard and Eddie to write down their own plays. Well who
wants to write when they can dance not this girl and thats for
sure ;-))
The night flew by and was over far too quickly for me. I cant wait
for the next nighter to be held at the Camel Club as the whole thing
far exceeded my expectations, the club, the soulies (who had
travelled from near and far), the DJs (who had also travelled from
near and far), the music, (second to none) everything was perfect.
Ive just got to say a big thank you to everyone who made this first
nighter into what can only be described as the absolute Camels
b*****ks in this soulies eyes.
The next planned Rare Soul Collective do at the Camel Club will be on
Friday December 19th, this one will be a "bring a friend" night, a
damn fine idea suggested by Stuart. So to all of you who experienced
the November nighter, bring a friend and to everyone else just bring
yer fine selves along, youll love it I promise ;-)))
PLAYLISTS (music excellent – list info briefer than usual, next time
Ill leave a pen and paper by the decks and let the DJs write their
own playlists)
Colin
5O Farenheit – Just let your heart be your guide
Teddy Pendergrass – We got love
Jimmy Castor – Make me
Four Sonics – Easier said than done
Candace Love – Wonderful night
Alex
Little John – Wait & see
Nomads – Somethings bad
Frank Dell – He broke your game wide open
Mikki Farrow – Set my heart at ease
Lillian Dupree – Hide & seek
Willie Tee – Please dont go
Howard
Four Tops - Wonderful baby
Martha & The Vandellas – Your love makes it all worthwhile
Barbara Jean & The Lyrics – Why werent you there
Darrow Fletcher – Pain gets a little deeper
Debonaires – Heartache in my heart
Barbara Carr – My mama told me
Sammy Ambrose – Welcome to dreamsville
Lou Ragland – Since you said youd be mine
Shitlles – No doubt about it
Artistics – Girl I need you
Perigents – You better move on
Tony Middleton – To the ends of the earth
ZZ Hill – Make me yours
Temptations – I want a love I can see
Guy
Spirits – Pied piper
Irma & The Fascinations – You need love
Barons of Soul – You need love
Butlers – Laugh laugh laugh
Johnny Watson – Aint gonna move
Lord Thunder – Chaos
Implements – Look over shoulder
Hayes Cotton – Black wings
BJ Thomas – Keep it up
Linda Queen – Where can my baby be
Soundmasters – Lonely lonely
Apocryphals – Im losing you
Victors – Not only a girl knows
Eddie
Cody Black – Im slowly moulding
Dottie & Millie – Nothing in this world
De-lites – Lover
Stewart Ames – Angelina
Twans – I cant see him again
Honey & The Bees – Dynamite exploded
Barons of Soul – You need love
Teddy Pendergrass – We got love
Ronnie McNeir – Isnt she a pretty girl
Jimmy Norman – Family tree
Andy
Patrinell Staten – Little love affair
Homer Banks – Sweetie pie
Locations - Mr Diamond Man
Robert Tanner – Sweet memories
Sensations – Demanding man
Danny White – Keep my woman home
Bernard Williams – Focused on you
Volcanos – Laws of love
Gordon Keith – Look ahead
Volumes – Aint gonna give you up
Mick
Unique Blend – Yes Im in love
Little Henry – Way of living c/u
Tranells – Blessed with a love
Primers – How does that grab you
Passions – If you see my baby
Buddy Smith – Never gonna let you go
Young Brothers – Whats your name
Springers – Nothings too good for my baby
Devotions – Do Do De Dop
Kenny Lewis – Whats her name
Prince Paul – In the beginning
Johnny Rodgers – Make a change
Eddie Whitehead – Just your fool
Colin
Satisfactions – Take it or leave it
Parfays – You got a good thing going boy
Maximilian – Youd better
Sonny Til – Tears & Misery
Joey Scarbury - Midnight mail
Joe Douglas – Something to brag about
Curtis Blandon – In the long run
Sophisticates – I cant stand it
Shadows – My love has gone
Trutones – Hes got nerve
James Bell – Amazing love
Donald Height – Rags to riches to rags (thanks to Mark Hanson for
this one)
Jerry Fuller – I get carried away
Soulfully yours,
Shirley.