Is there a date on the 45 or LP. I have it as 1981, anyone know different?

Ady

They are not dated - I beleive it was 1970

I doubt it very much Dave O C was with Dave then apart from the Rolyat 45 they did together, I think it's from the later early 80s period when he got back with Jack Taylor after Jack had mysteriously disappeared for nearly a decade.

I doubt it very much Dave O C was with Dave then apart from the Rolyat 45 they did together, I think it's from the later early 80s period when he got back with Jack Taylor after Jack had mysteriously disappeared for nearly a decade.

Ady, I think this is one of the first things that he did with Jack Taylor after he moved to Detroit in the late 60s...

I've had this record before. It is most definitely a late 60's or very early 70's production and release. I would lean towards 1969 as the likely year. There is no way this is from the 1980's or even the mid to late 70's.

The 1981 in the Soul labels threw me. O C's first work with Jack Taylor was the Rolyak 45 in 1971, he cut these substantially later sounding recordings in the mid 70s prob about 1974. All his recordings up to and including 1973 were with Dave Hamilton who he was contracted too and very close to. This was his first record after he left Dave. I asked his missus.

Funk collectors are definitely more into the Rolyat version, as it hits a lot harder and sounds better on the floor.

As regards the dating of the Damn Sam LP, I had a hunch it might be useful to compare the release number of that LP with the release number of the Clarence Reid LP which is TST 3333 https://www.popsike.c...0117268585.html of recordings by Clarence when he was with Tayster and released by Jack Taylor as an obvious attempt to cash in on Clarence's pop chart smash Nobody But You Babe which hit the charts in 1969.

The Damn Sam LP release number was TS 0001 https://www.popsike.c...0358675865.html so draw your own conclusions, if indeed any can be drawn.

Edited March 30, 201114 yr by sunnysoul

Funk collectors are definitely more into the Rolyat version, as it hits a lot harder and sounds better on the floor.

More into the Rolyat version in preference to ?????? I've got it on Rolyak and have had it on Rolyat and don't remember them being different versions or are you comparing his Rolyak release with the Tayster release?

More into the Rolyat version in preference to ?????? I've got it on Rolyak and have had it on Rolyat and don't remember them being different versions or are you comparing his Rolyak release with the Tayster release?

the two are different mixes( if the same take), the Royalt version has the drums much more prominent on 'Hard Times' - I've had both at once & done an A/B comparison

On the forthcoming Kent O C Tolbert CD we're using a previously unheard Dave Hamilton mix of both sides of the Rolyak/t 45 that sounds superb, the horns are more prominent and it is brilliant quality from the master tape.

Edited March 30, 201114 yr by ady croasdell

As regards the dating of the Damn Sam LP, I had a hunch it might be useful to compare the release number of that LP with the release number of the Clarence Reid LP which is TST 3333 https://www.popsike.c...0117268585.html of recordings by Clarence when he was with Tayster and released by Jack Taylor as an obvious attempt to cash in on Clarence's pop chart smash Nobody But You Babe which hit the charts in 1969.

The Damn Sam LP release number was TS 0001 https://www.popsike.c...0358675865.html so draw your own conclusions, if indeed any can be drawn.

Thanks but probably not as like the 45 it's a completely different numbering system and LPs would probably have been few and far between at the time.

As regards the dating of the Damn Sam LP, I had a hunch it might be useful to compare the release number of that LP with the release number of the Clarence Reid LP which is TST 3333 https://www.popsike.c...0117268585.html of recordings by Clarence when he was with Tayster and released by Jack Taylor as an obvious attempt to cash in on Clarence's pop chart smash Nobody But You Babe which hit the charts in 1969.

The Damn Sam LP release number was TS 0001 https://www.popsike.c...0358675865.html so draw your own conclusions, if indeed any can be drawn.

I think he restarted the numbering for when Tayster came out of Detroitt

I think he restarted the numbering for when Tayster came out of Detroitt

Not on 45s Dave, Chico & Buddy was Detroit but continued on the old numbering system. Damn Sam seems to be a unique number.

Not on 45s Dave, Chico & Buddy was Detroit but continued on the old numbering system. Damn Sam seems to be a unique number.

oh well,i could've sworn i read that somewhere, maybe wishfull thinking by someone (I've only got one Chico & Buddy 45 and that's on the New York Tayster label)

beginning to think Damn Sam is just a figment of my imagination and i'll wake up in a minute...

Well yes he did start a new series of one for the Detroit address, but as Chico & Buddy was also Detroit it would indicate that Damn Sam was not in the same time frame as C&B or it would have just continued the old series. Damn Sam would therefore be later than 1970. And as Rolyat/k was 1971 later than that too.

the two are different mixes( if the same take), the Royalt version has the drums much more prominent on 'Hard Times' - I've had both at once & done an A/B comparison

I'll second that the Rolyak version is somewhat "mellower"

Just twigged Rolyat is Taylor backwards

a great tune that stands out whenever ive heard Mr Abbott play it and to me sounds very early 70s not that im an expert on dates or anything

Anyone know what this one sells for now? Is it the Joint side that gets spun?