This is my first "proper" post .May have been posted before-so apol's now.

I love hearing tunes I have not heard before .If I like and want, I try and buy ,regardless ( to some intent) as to cost/trades,I may have to suffer.

I buy "NEW TO MY EARS".Please let me Know views.

PS..........Brett is this enough of a topic for you to respond !!!!????

This is my first "proper" post .May have been posted before-so apol's now.

I love hearing tunes I have not heard before .If I like and want, I try and buy ,regardless ( to some intent) as to cost/trades,I may have to suffer.

I buy "NEW TO MY EARS".Please let me Know views.

PS..........Brett is this enough of a topic for you to respond !!!!????

Stevie, i've just listened to side a of the tape you kindly sent me, so this is an overwhelming yes to your post. This is my " raison d'etre" for buying the majority of records i own, i long to hear then try to acquire anything that is "fresh" and not so played out that it belongs in "Surgical Stockings And Carrys A Bed Pan".

Without this sort of rationale Stevie, people like me and you would just be going to Revivalist nights.

Brett

Edited October 19, 200519 yr by Brett

Stevie, i've just listened to side a of the tape you kindly sent me, so this is an overwhelming yes to your post. This is my " raison d'etre" for buying the majority of records i own, i long to hear then try to acquire anything that is "fresh" and not so played out that it belongs in "Surgical Stockings And Carrys A Bed Pan".

Without this sort of rationale Stevie, people like me and you would just be going to Revivalist nights.

Brett

Hi Brett someone else has to carry my bed pan now!!Any "new " to you on the tape? What are you gonna pursue???KEEP OUR SCENE FRESH.Stevie

I love hearing tunes I have not heard before .If I like and want, I try and buy.

I buy "NEW TO MY EARS".

Well said that man!!

Its the only way to keep the scene alive (imho)

nah you've all got it so wrong.

what it's all about is wearing a bowling shirt, listening to old wigan tapes and erecting a shrine to russ winstanley in your back garden.

who wants to hear new stuff when copies of dana valery still exist? a day without hearing that is a wasted day.

How many times are you allowed to listen to each track before you have to bin it then?

Surely by the time it made it onto the tape you're swapping it was too late?

I've got a friend in his early 20s who buys soul records like we buy groceries (and spends a mint) and he often gets really excited by records I have on old tapes from the 80s, records that were played to death then but which he hasn't had a chance to hear.

Your policy is acomplete no-go, unless of course you have a panel of soul judges who decide what can and can't be played.

I bet you a pound to a penny that if you list the contents of that tape someone will be bored to death with one of the tracks and at least a few of them will be classed as oldies by many people on here. You'd be surprised how many records played on the soul scene are 'played-out oldies' on the Mod scene by the time you hear them (and vice versa).

So, I demand you explain your selection policy now, or I'll zap you with my death gun!

And while you're at it, list the contents of this "never heard before anywhere in the world" cassette tape.

:-)

Agree with you andy (ouch that hurt!) I quite often go out and listen to something think it wonderful and then find out it's a played out oldie! But i don't give a stuff, I buy and play what I like

IMO now days if its totally unheard off then its because it's really not that good anyway, someone somewhere would have heard it before, people have made it their life's work to track records and been doing it for over 30 years

StevieZ stated 'new to my ears' which goes against what others are implying he said.

Shane

Pedant Shane

The thread after that contradicted his "new to my ears" statement somewhat.

However, if that is the case perhaps any new venue could offer a list at the door and Steve and his friends could cross off those they've heard before and a not be passed around the DJs to avoid them

"I like hearing new records" isn't much of a debate starter is it? the implied "I can't stand hearing familiar records, and that's what lots of people on this scene play and enjoy, and they're all old and fat and boring and should move on" is.

I hear a record I've never heard before every single day I think. Some are really obvious ones some not. Thats what keeps it interesting innit ?

Pedant Shane

The thread after that contradicted his "new to my ears" statement somewhat.

However, if that is the case perhaps any new venue could offer a list at the door and Steve and his friends could cross off those they've heard before and a not be passed around the DJs to avoid them

"I like hearing new records" isn't much of a debate starter is it? the implied "I can't stand hearing familiar records, and that's what lots of people on this scene play and enjoy, and they're all old and fat and boring and should move on" is.

thats just brett. we are used to him and his rants.

I think Steviez wanted to know who concentrates on buying new stuff as opposed to old favourites. I have met Stevie and he does dig that extra bit to find unplayed records.

See you at the Valatone Andy

Shane

One Person's Oldie is another Person's Newie and vice versa!

I think Wayne C mentioned this on another thread. Something along the lines of that he goes to Stoke, which is to many a predominantly Oldies venue, but not necessarily to him.

Anyway I'm looking forward to hearing some newies on a tape from Brett.

IMO now days if its totally unheard off then its because it's really not that good anyway, someone somewhere would have heard it before, people have made it their life's work to track records and been doing it for over 30 years

What makes being in to 60s soul so absorbing is never heard before tunes.

I've got friends that have been collecting soul a lot longer than me and are still learning and discovering new! 60s tracks, I say new meaning new to them someone somewhere must of heard them you are right but when you here a tune you don't know & think what the f*^K is this, it's one of the best feelings and keeps you coming back for more, As for being not that good some of the best tracks in my collection i have heard for the first time in the last three years.

Steve J

'6ts newies'?? I thought that phrase went out of date in 1986??

I hear a record I've never heard before every single day I think. Some are really obvious ones some not. Thats what keeps it interesting innit ?

me too simon, every day. often just click on soulclub and hear something i've never heard before. or people post things on here which are 'played out' to others but new to me.

this is partly down to having a crap memory, though!

This is my first "proper" post .May have been posted before-so apol's now.

I love hearing tunes I have not heard before .If I like and want, I try and buy ,regardless ( to some intent) as to cost/trades,I may have to suffer.

I buy "NEW TO MY EARS".Please let me Know views.

PS..........Brett is this enough of a topic for you to respond !!!!????

I buy new to my ears this year

Salena Jones "I've got the blues" Parrot

The Ramrocks "I can never find out" Press records

Little Jewel "I want to" Tay-Ster

Diamond Joe "hurry back to me" Sansu

The Amazers "come back baby" Bangar

The Bossmen "take it easy" Vim

Ward Burton & the Music Men Inc "if'n" Panther

Steve J

It was 60s newies, if anyone says 6ts again, I'll sue!

Two records that I've purchased in the past month that are newies to me are:

Barbara Mason - Ain't Got Nobody - Arctic - recommended to me by Brett.

Larry Davis and The Marvels - The Magic Is Gone - Decca - recommended to me by Dave Abbott.

Newies to me, but I bet not to others on here!

me too simon, every day. often just click on soulclub and hear something i've never heard before. or people post things on here which are 'played out' to others but new to me.

this is partly down to having a crap memory, though!

For me there are few tunes that I hear on tapes or CDs etc that really grab me in a way that I have to have it. (If by chance, was one of the few Dan).

For me nothing can beat being at a club and hearing the new to me tune belting out at a hundred decibels. eg I will take to the grave a vivid memory of Suspicion being played for the first time by Guy, or the first time I heard the Martells. I can even remember where I was sitting when it came on. On one of the sette style seats at the far end of the dancefloor from the stage, near the food counter. Then over the speakers, quietly at first:

all alone in my lonely room

looking out my window

tears falling from my eyes

cos my baby just said goodbye

By that last bit I was meta-physically lifted from my seat to the floor where for the next 2 minutes I was experiencing the Northern Soul equivalent of an orgasm.

I believe if I heard it on a tape, it wouldnt have the place in my memory that it commands 20 years later. Which is why I like going to places where there is a good chance the DJs are going to play stuff i dont know. Of course the downside can be hours of stuff I dont know, and I'm not enjoying, but the upside is the chance of taking home a memory of 'thats where I first heard...'

It doesnt just apply 60s newies DJs either. Edwin played a fantastic set of imaginative oldies at Abergavenny 2 weeks ago, many of them unknown to me.

Edited October 20, 200519 yr by in town Mikey

Two records that I've purchased in the past month that are newies to me are:

Barbara Mason - Ain't Got Nobody - Arctic - recommended to me by Brett.

Newies to me, but I bet not to others on here!

You're not wrong! Ain't Got Nobody? Bloody hell. My Great-Grandad used to hum that at the Somme!

My advice is to ignore Brett and his tired old recommendations, he's single-handedly killing this scene.

You're not wrong! Ain't Got Nobody? Bloody hell. My Great-Grandad used to hum that at the Somme!

My advice is to ignore Brett and his tired old recommendations, he's single-handedly killing this scene.

You may be right about Bret But the price on being young again and herein that tune or a hundred more for the first time as long as it's not at the Somme!

I buy new to my ears this year

Little Jewel "I want to" Tay-Ster

Steve J

ever so old to my ears.....used to be ever so cheap,is good though!!

Not found the right thread to post this little story on before, but I think this is the perfect place...

I was DJing the rarest of the rare room at the Stoke Kings Hall, it was a bit of a grave yard shift, and there were only about 80 people left in the room by the time I came on.

I had just put my Detroit Executives C/u (really an unknown band on a one off acetate) on the decks and it was playing. I think I had only played it out 4 or 5 times, this being the first time north of camden. A newie in every sense of the word. Totally unknown, never before heard or played out.

Then this guy comes up to the decks while it is playing. He says in his gruff northern voice.

"aye up lad, this is posed to be a newies room!"

"Hey?" I reply "but this is a newie, it's only the first time it has ever been played out up north, maybe only a handfull of people in this whole building have ever heard it played out before."

"nay, nay, I mean newies."

"what?"

"you know? like newies. Look lad, just play me some newies I know."

Unbelievable.

"NEWIES I KNOW"

I'd played proably 1/2 an hour, maybe 45 mins of music that had probabyl never been played up north before as well. Crazy.

How can it be a 'newie' if you know it?

I'm still in shock.

Edited October 20, 200519 yr by James Trouble

You may be right about Bret But the price on being young again and herein that tune or a hundred more for the first time as long as it's not at the Somme!

That reminds me of a great comeback on here when discussing paying over the odds for tunes. One wag said he was probably only a few years off complete Senility, and when it did set in, he'd be hearing the tunes all over again for the first time. How great is that?

Not found the right thread to post this little story on before, but I think this is the perfect place...

I was DJing the rarest of the rare room at the Stoke Kings Hall, it was a bit of a grave yard shift, and there were only about 80 people left in the room by the time I came on.

I had just put my Detroit Executives C/u (really an unknown band on a one off acetate) on the decks and it was playing. I think I had only played it out 4 or 5 times, this being the first time north of camden. A newie in every sense of the word. Totally unknown, never before heard or played out.

Then this guy comes up to the decks while it is playing. He says in his gruff northern voice.

"aye up lad, this is posed to be a newies room!"

"Hey?" I reply "but this is a newie, it's only the first time it has ever been played out up north, maybe only a handfull of people in this whole building have ever heard it played out before."

"nay, nay, I mean newies."

"what?"

"you know? like newies. Look lad, just play me some newies I know."

Unbelievable.

"NEWIES I KNOW"

I'd played proably 1/2 an hour, maybe 45 mins of music that had probabyl never been played up north before as well. Crazy.

How can it be a 'newie' if you know it?

I'm still in shock.

Thats brilliant.

I was told when reeling off my fave tunes (90% Stafford) that I was into 60s newies. I said, "how can that be? They're all 20 fookin years old."

ever so old to my ears.....used to be ever so cheap,is good though!!

Apparently a old Mod sound but new to me this year at the NMD & Carms shindig

i'v not hit the dance floor like that for a long time top tune and still about £40.00 if you can find one

By that last bit I was meta-physically lifted from my seat to the floor where for the next 2 minutes I was experiencing the Northern Soul equivalent of an orgasm.

God I know that feeling it happened to me the first time I heard Bobby Sheens' If I Ever Dreamed I Hurt You". I went stone cold all over. But I don't think it would have done it from tape at home-it had to be big and loud.

Barbara Mason's 'I Ain't Got Nobody" was new to me about four years ago. What a great record.

Salena Jones "I Got The Blues" is interesting. I keep hearing it. Is it by any chance rarer than either Della Reese's version (is that on 45?) or Micki Lynn's version ? In the grand scheme of all things Northern it shouldn't fit-Salena's (UK recorded?) version is rather jazzy and Della Reese is a bona fide black music legend while Micki Lyn is I suspect (gulp) a country singer.

I had exactly the opposite recently.

I was playing out and out oldies as that definitely seemed to be what the punters wanted.

About 45 minutes in a bloke came up and said "play some oldies mate". I laughed, clearly thinking he was being sarcy and said "Sorry, do you want some newer stuff?"

"You what? I said OLDIES mate!"

I was stunned and could only shrug and smile dumbly. He walked off and I distinctly saw him chunnering to his mates and making "wanker" signs.

Takes all sorts...

God I know that feeling it happened to me the first time I heard Bobby Sheens' If I Ever Dreamed I Hurt You". I went stone cold all over. But I don't think it would have done it from tape at home-it had to be big and loud.

Barbara Mason's 'I Ain't Got Nobody" was new to me about four years ago. What a great record.

Salena Jones "I Got The Blues" is interesting. I keep hearing it. Is it by any chance rarer than either Della Reese's version (is that on 45?) or Micki Lynn's version ? In the grand scheme of all things Northern it shouldn't fit-Salena's (UK recorded?) version is rather jazzy and Della Reese is a bona fide black music legend while Micki Lyn is I suspect (gulp) a country singer.

the original is Miki Lynn. The Salena Jones version is awful in my opinion - the horrible swirly guitar sound really puts me off. Miki Lynn is excellent by the way

Shane

That reminds me of a great comeback on here when discussing paying over the odds for tunes. One wag said he was probably only a few years off complete Senility, and when it did set in, he'd be hearing the tunes all over again for the first time. How great is that?

Havent got long myself can't wait

I love Micki Lynns version- the flip is good too. I love Della Reese's version- is it on 45 (it got issued on a German 12" I beleive) Salena Jones would come third on the list for me.

Has anyone got a copy of Della Reese's 'It Was A Very Good Year' for sale? I don't care which label really or if it's the 'with audience' version or not.

"I Got The Blues", Della Reese's version (is that on 45?)

There's no original 45 release of Della's version (it's included on her "I Gotta Be Me... This Trip Out" LP on ABC from 1968), but there was a reissue 7" released by german Universal a couple of years back in conjunction with it being included on one of those "Mojo Club - Dancefloor Jazz" compilations. A fantastic track and in my opinion by far the best version. And I'm with you on "It Was A Very Good Year" as well, scorching version!

Edited October 20, 200519 yr by Sebastian

This is my first "proper" post .May have been posted before-so apol's now.

I love hearing tunes I have not heard before .If I like and want, I try and buy ,regardless ( to some intent) as to cost/trades,I may have to suffer.

I buy "NEW TO MY EARS".Please let me Know views.

PS..........Brett is this enough of a topic for you to respond !!!!????

"NEW TO MY EARS"...."THE ONLY WAY TO BUY"

There's no original 45 release of Della's version (it's included on her "I Gotta Be Me... This Trip Out" LP on ABC from 1968), but there was a reissue 7" released by german Universal a couple of years back in conjunction with it being included on one of those "Mojo Club - Dancefloor Jazz" compilations. A fantastic track and in my opinion by far the best version. And I'm with you on "It Was A Very Good Year" as well, scorching version!

If its never been issued, how can it be re-issued?

Scratches head

If its never been issued, how can it be re-issued?

Scratches head

Great minds think alike it's just finding them

I buy new to my ears this year

Salena Jones "I've got the blues" Parrot

The Ramrocks "I can never find out" Press records

Little Jewel "I want to" Tay-Ster

Diamond Joe "hurry back to me" Sansu

The Amazers "come back baby" Bangar

The Bossmen "take it easy" Vim

Ward Burton & the Music Men Inc "if'n" Panther

Steve J

The Ramrocks "I can never find out" Press records

One of my latest buys too...real nice

The Ramrocks "I can never find out" Press records

One of my latest buys too...real nice

Real nice R&B Me & Kev have been playing this at NMD for about 7 months and obtaining good floor reaction and intrest by collectors.

steve J

I had exactly the opposite recently.

I was playing out and out oldies as that definitely seemed to be what the punters wanted.

About 45 minutes in a bloke came up and said "play some oldies mate". I laughed, clearly thinking he was being sarcy and said "Sorry, do you want some newer stuff?"

"You what? I said OLDIES mate!"

I was stunned and could only shrug and smile dumbly. He walked off and I distinctly saw him chunnering to his mates and making "wanker" signs.

Takes all sorts...

Oh dear. Had a similar experince with someone asking me for Edwin Starr three times, put on My Kinda Woman or whatever its called and he came up and rather angrily asked me if I was ever going to get round to playing some effin Edwin Starr. I've never had an Edwin Starr record in my playbox since.

I like hearing records I've not heard before if I like them, couldn't care less that someone somewhere will say "That was a big sound for three weeks at the Ashbury Under Lyme Youthclub in 1972 until three copies turned up, so it can't be rare and its a bit overplayed. Not heard it or seen a copy for 33 years mind."

Its like Columbus did discover America even if there were people already living there because he didn't previously know it was there. Or something.

If its never been issued, how can it be re-issued?

Scratches head

Technicality - it was ISSUED on the album, but the 45 issue comes much later and for a specific purpose. So technically it's not a re-issue but I can see how it might be counted as such, even if it's the only issue of the track on 45. So if you want it on 45 thats one you want-and I want one. I think it was Sebastian that turned me on to it in the first place !

How many times are you allowed to listen to each track before you have to bin it then?

Surely by the time it made it onto the tape you're swapping it was too late?

I've got a friend in his early 20s who buys soul records like we buy groceries (and spends a mint) and he often gets really excited by records I have on old tapes from the 80s, records that were played to death then but which he hasn't had a chance to hear.

Your policy is acomplete no-go, unless of course you have a panel of soul judges who decide what can and can't be played.

I bet you a pound to a penny that if you list the contents of that tape someone will be bored to death with one of the tracks and at least a few of them will be classed as oldies by many people on here. You'd be surprised how many records played on the soul scene are 'played-out oldies' on the Mod scene by the time you hear them (and vice versa).

So, I demand you explain your selection policy now, or I'll zap you with my death gun!

And while you're at it, list the contents of this "never heard before anywhere in the world" cassette tape.

:-)Hi ,I believe you have responded to Brett mentioning a tape that I recently sent him, not to my post.

I also stated that I buy new to my ears records ,its not a policy, its how I like to collect .I don't need any judges other than my ears to try to obtain what I collect.

I am also well aware of the broad knowledge that abounds on this site and what is new to me ,may not be the case for others.If I am sent a tape with just a few tunes on that are new to me and I like I try and obtain.When I hear a tune played out that I rate and do not know,I ask fellow soulies to help out.Being my first post I didn't know what ,if any response, it might have.

You have made the statement "never heard before................not me !!

Watch out tho' I do have a big zapper myself

i have adjusted the post by SteveZ to bold font to enable easier reading.

Edited October 20, 200519 yr by ShaneH

What makes being in to 60s soul so absorbing is never heard before tunes.

I've got friends that have been collecting soul a lot longer than me and are still learning and discovering new! 60s tracks, I say new meaning new to them someone somewhere must of heard them you are right but when you here a tune you don't know & think what the f*^K is this, it's one of the best feelings and keeps you coming back for more, As for being not that good some of the best tracks in my collection i have heard for the first time in the last three years.

Steve J

I really havent been doing soul clubs long enough to have heard everything, but do tend to find the tunes I say 'this is fooking brilliant to' most will say it's an oldie so I guess even the newer discovered stuff, is still as new to me as some of those oldies/classics

If we're gonna use the term 60's Newies, then maybe let's try and figure out a clearer definition for it, as all Records are known by someone, starting with the people who made the ****ing things, conversely there's no one that knows every Record made & played (although there are a few that feel that the maxim doesn't apply to them) in other words it's a bit of a mess, so get out there and start playing stuff that's new to YOU and you believe to be good, and F*** the "Intelligentsia". Even someone who knows Jack Shit like me managed to play Stevie Z a couple of tunes round his gaff that he hadn't heard.

Keep Digging

Des

Barbara Mason - Ain't Got Nobody - Arctic - recommended to me by Brett.

Larry Davis and The Marvels - The Magic Is Gone - Decca - recommended to me by Dave Abbott.

Barb Mason - great tune

L Davis, bought one of these blind about a year ago and was very pleased with it

both tunes proving that quality doesn't have to cost £££s

I really havent been doing soul clubs long enough to have heard everything, but do tend to find the tunes I say 'this is fooking brilliant to' most will say it's an oldie so I guess even the newer discovered stuff, is still as new to me as some of those oldies/classics

I hear loads of "new to me" sounds, cos before the summer of 2000 I had never even heard of Northern Soul.

When i buy a new sound, quite often I never know whether I'm buying a played out oldie or something relatively unknown

If we're gonna use the term 60's Newies, then maybe let's try and figure out a clearer definition for it, as all Records are known by someone, starting with the people who made the ****ing things, conversely there's no one that knows every Record made & played (although there are a few that feel that the maxim doesn't apply to them) in other words it's a bit of a mess, so get out there and start playing stuff that's new to YOU and you believe to be good, and F*** the "Intelligentsia". Even someone who knows Jack Shit like me managed to play Stevie Z a couple of tunes round his gaff that he hadn't heard.

Keep Digging

Des

I'll be holding you to that next weekend Des. You'll know its me, I will be canvassing the patrons, with a clipboard. What percentage of tunes that more than 50% of those questioned dont know is acceptable?

Seriously it can work in many ways tho. I hardly missed a SITC at the last 2 venues, and I swear I had never heard Harry Deal until the Paul Smith DVD. But Paul (SITC01) insists he played it at just about every one.

Mikey, you KNOW I wasn't advocating the playing of a whole set of "unknown/60's newies thingys".Stop being pedantic or I won't sell you one of these sealed "Harry Deal" Albums on the Eclipse Label, that I have in stock for £20 (inc P & P)

Des

I hear loads of "new to me" sounds, cos before the summer of 2000 I had never even heard of Northern Soul.

When i buy a new sound, quite often I never know whether I'm buying a played out oldie or something relatively unknown

I came over from the mod scene, when I was about 13/14 I used to have these photocopied patches on my bedroom wall saying things like Wigan... I had no idea at the time they were actual clubs! I used to go to what was called alternative nights which were actually NS do's at the King Charles ball room in Gillingham Kent, I was about 14 maybe 15 when they started, then did the scooter scene where I heard a lot more soul, then back to the mod scene for many years before getting fed up with the shite they were playing, hence the move back to where there was decent music still about 8 or 9 years ago, as Andy said earlier on there are things from both scenes which cross over, a few records getting hammerd on the soul scene at the moment are old mod classic plays, still swings and roundabouts. I dont care if something is played out, I just like what i like and HATE people telling me I shouldn't! Hope your enjoying the scene

Seriously it can work in many ways tho. I hardly missed a SITC at the last 2 venues, and I swear I had never heard Harry Deal until the Paul Smith DVD. But Paul (SITC01) insists he played it at just about every one.

Mikey you would certainly have heard Harry Deal as I used to play both sides at The Old Blue Last

If we're gonna use the term 60's Newies, then maybe let's try and figure out a clearer definition for it, as all Records are known by someone, starting with the people who made the ****ing things, conversely there's no one that knows every Record made & played (although there are a few that feel that the maxim doesn't apply to them) in other words it's a bit of a mess, so get out there and start playing stuff that's new to YOU and you believe to be good, and F*** the "Intelligentsia". Even someone who knows Jack Shit like me managed to play Stevie Z a couple of tunes round his gaff that he hadn't heard.

Keep Digging

Des

HI DES. Now Des I know you know far more than Jack Sh.......You played some great tunes I had not heard before.I am still avidley searching for two in particular.Cheers Stevie.

P.S. wonder if Shanes gonna help out again!!!

Well said that man!!

Its the only way to keep the scene alive (imho)

Hi Kev, had never heard your posted avatar before Des played it a few months ago.New to me.

ATB Stevie