Are the Dawn and Charge 45s the same recording?

Ady

Are the Dawn and Charge 45s the same recording?

Ady

i believe the SS is but not the other side,,,,

Edited July 11, 201212 yr by Rbman

If you mean the flips are different, they have different titles.

Ta

Ady

If you mean the flips are different, they have different titles.

Ta

Ady

both of mine have Right Now on the flip. The charge version is great but the Dawn one is not.

Sorry Martin, our discog had the Dawn one as It Wouldn't Be Right. Any chance you could compare the two Sippin Sorrows tonight please?

Ta

Ady

Pearl Woods

Charge 2001 - Sippin' Sorrow / Right Now - 1961 (session: Little Richard's band The Upsetters) (scarce)

Dawn 100 - Sippin' Sorrow / Right Now - 1961 (Session: Little Richard's Band The Upsetters)

Superb ITEM!! Great 45!!! Fantastic dancer!!

PEARL WOODS "Sippin Sorrow" / "Right Now" CHARGE 2001

Original!!! Not a boot or later pressing

both on youtube same page judge for yourself.

sound the same to me.

ricky.

sorry should have added this dawn seems to be first.

and charge the reisssue

ricky.

DAWN D-100/1 PEARL WOODS (with The Upsetters) Right Now / Sippin' Sorrow 1961 US CHARGE 2001 PEARL WOODS (with The Upsetters) Sippin Sorrow / Right Now (reissue) 1961

I hope they are both the same, I bought the Dawn one last week.

It certainly sounds the same. Charge was first in Nov 61 then Dawn in Dec 62 according to our data. That would follow as she was a NYC artist and Dawn was Chicago, possibly a regional break-out.

Thanks

Ady

I've had both and never noticed any significant difference - kept the Charge copy as its about 10x rarer than the Dawn issue.

Pearl Woods worked out of New York. Interesting that the songwriting credits went to G. Costello on Charge (perhaps he was the owner/A&R man of Charge Records); and Pearl Woods and R. Earl got the writing credits on Dawn Records (presumably a Ric Williams label-as his Ric-O-lac Music got the publishing). How did Ric Williams, in Chicago, get to release a year-old Pearl Woods record? I wonder where the connection is? At least she was able to get songwriting credit on the second release (although it did nothing in terms of sales). I lived in Chicago at the time, and don't remember hearing that on WVON, or any of the other radio stations, and although I do remember seeing the Dawn record a few times in cutout bins, it wasn't very common.

Robb, Dawn was connected to Richard Stamz, I didn't know about the Ric Williams connection.

Edited July 12, 201212 yr by ady croasdell

More than 20 years ago I looked at a warehouse load that had a bunch of the Dawn 45. The same load had tons of Toddlin' Town and other Chicago area labels. I think it had been picked for the rare Northern stuff (there was a load of TT label on the market in the early-mid 1980s) but there was still lot of certain titles like Pearl Woods. I presume most of the Dawn 45s in circulation came out of that stash.

Robb, Dawn was connected to Richard Stamz, I didn't know about the Ric Williams connection.

Thanks Ady for drawing that to my attention. Senility strikes again. Ric-O-lac Music IS Richard Stamz's personal music publishing company-NOT Ric Williams'! I got my Chicago Rics switched. Of course, RicWil and WilRic were Ric Williams' publishers. I'm used to my "short-term" memory having problems, but it's kind of scary to be losing long-term memory of things I've known for over 40-45 years. I probably would have caught that mix-up, but it still irks me.

Edited July 12, 201212 yr by RobbK