Apologies if this discussed before, I have a white USA Demo (Small Font)

Also An Issue with Small Font and an Issue with Large Font. (Both USA)

May well be just different pressing plants (as is the usual) or did one come

 out before the other,  lets say , one run sells out and following run a font size change.

Anyone Know for sure or any thoughts please ?

Thanks Rick.

On 2 juillet 2017 at 12:06, RICK SCOTT said:

Apologies if this discussed before, I have a white USA Demo (Small Font)

Also An Issue with Small Font and an Issue with Large Font. (Both USA)

May well be just different pressing plants (as is the usual) or did one come

 out before the other,  lets say , one run sells out and following run a font size change.

Anyone Know for sure or any thoughts please ?

Thanks Rick.

Different pressing plants for faster cheaper national distribution. Only that I believe since not such a "hot hit" to rerun presses to supply demand. Never seen a white demo of that one though... Can we see ?

Thanks for reply, i don't know how to put a picture up but my Gordy demo is a double A side, TIME on both sides, If you go to Discogs and put in a search for Time  Edwin Starr it pulls up all versions including the white demo, Rick

6 hours ago, RICK SCOTT said:

Thanks for reply, i don't know how to put a picture up but my Gordy demo is a double A side, TIME on both sides, If you go to Discogs and put in a search for Time  Edwin Starr it pulls up all versions including the white demo, Rick

Not of 'running back and forth' which is the side we're after. That's what I thought.

Yes they are double A Sided DEMOs and from different pressing plants.

WEST COAST : MONARCH

Delta # 79353 places it around the end of December 1969 / January 1970 ( X4KM -5515-1 )

Motown and its labels has to be one of the hardest labels to complete if you are a completist.  I read of one release with 7 takes, identifiable by the matrix, with presses at various plants with differring labels, font, design etc.

Yes and just when they started to become double A Sided DEMOs there is the odd exception.

However, the Red Vinyl copy was Double A Sided for this G-7090 release.

So............my two issues of TIME/RUNNING BACK AND FORTH (GORDY) just a case of different pressing plants for large font and small font. 

OR.....Was one issued before the other as noticed a small  difference in prices depending on which is issue up for sale, ended up with 2 issues over the years as thought i had lost or sold one but as is the case the other turned up so keeping one the other going in a sales box, so which one should i keep, must say i have a soft spot for the Large Font one as it looks older? 

ONLY thing throws me is the double sided Demo of Time is small font which would suggest First Issue Because it is a Demo OR are we back to pressing plant issue as have to say not seen that demo with a large font, Isn't Record collecting Fun, Or is it ? 

I would say that the DEMOs were all produced around the same time for each release number.

I always expect to find the following three presses

• MR stamp - MONARCH from the west coast.
• "Arp" - American Record Pressing Co. - Michigan
• "Nashville Matrix" Midwest press

However, others can be found from pressing plants such as

• R stamped -  RCA Records Pressing Plant, Rockaway
• ZTSC - COLUMBIA Records Chichago

As far as the Stock Copies are concerned.

The hits kept on catalogue normally with the same release number, could have later label designs etc when pressed over time.

11 minutes ago, 45cellar said:

I would say that the DEMOs were all produced around the same time for each release number.

I always expect to find the following three presses

• MR stamp - MONARCH from the west coast.
• "Arp" - American Record Pressing Co. - Michigan
• "Nashville Matrix" Midwest press

However, others can be found from pressing plants such as

• R stamped -  RCA Records Pressing Plant, Rockaway
• ZTSC - COLUMBIA Records Chichago

As far as the Stock Copies are concerned.

The hits kept on catalogue normally with the same release number, could have later label designs etc when pressed over time.

Thanks Roger for the useful extra info, very interesting, bit of a mine field this record collecting, Thanks, Rick

No problem Rick. It is a mine field and so hard to generalise.

It is quite difficult without seeing a scan or deadwax detail from your copies

Does the smaller font copy have the "Arp" stamp in the deadwax.

I would guess that

The large font TIME / Running back and forth will be STYRENE with Delta # 79353 on the TIME side in the deadwax.