Simple question/thought to ponder:

Isnt everything an oldie now? Regardless of raritie etc...?

Edited Wednesday at 14:411 day by Dobber

Not if it's a newie.

And today's newie is tomorrow's oldie of course.

Talking of Oldies, I've worked back through Northern Soul to R&B in all its forms and keeping digging. I now find myself enjoying 50s black Boogie Woogie, Jump Blues, Honking and Jiving R&B, uptempo Doo Wop, early New Orleans. Some of these were also early Mod plays too for such as Roger Eagle, Guy Stevens, Ian Samwell and at such as The Lyceum, Americana, Flamingo Clubs and first location of the Twisted Wheel.

Some of it is the same Soul artists in their earlier career, some from Jazz, Blues. These really are oldies - a lot of it the music that led to Soul and Rock 'n' Roll. Ace has done many dozens of great complilations of it earlier in their history that I'm picking up for a few quid on CD.

So what is the music too old and early to be an Oldie called?

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Thinksmart

My sister, who is 26 is into “old school” R&B and to her friends, she’s into “oldies” such as…

Lauryn Hill / Erykah Badu / Gill Scott

She’ll go to nights where they’re billed as such which is mad to me 🤣

Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by Tailormade Gaz B

27 minutes ago, Tailormade Gaz B said:

My sister, who is 26 is into “old school” R&B and to her friends, she’s into “oldies” such as…

Lauryn Hill / Erykah Badu / Gill Scott

She’ll go to nights where they’re billed as such which is mad to me 🤣

Oh this is similar to an experience of mine. I started a new role back in 2007 and was discussing my enjoyment of Soul music including the 'Modern Soul Scene' so was asked to do some CDrs for some young colleagues. Upon asking later how the CDrs were, I received embarrassed, confused faces who said 'this is all really old, it's not even Modern Soul or R&B and some of it is before I was born!'.

Of course I'd compliled Modern Soul as we understand it, from 70s onwards through Philly, Disco, Boogie, through into early 2000s Modern sounds. But to them they wanted the R&B chart sound of that time, not really Soul music at all and definitely not.......old Modern Soul!

I later found the Northern Soul advocates in the company of my own age, but these youngsters fifteen years younger than me didn't ask for any compilations again! However they are all now into their forties and definitely not into Modern R&B or Soul of any type now having followed the charts through genres as most people do.

Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by Thinksmart

Before the mods took soul to their hearts, lots of British youth had been jazz & blues fans. As blues musicians were much undervalued in the US by the early 60's and they could tour over here as solo performers (sometimes with UK musicians in tow), they could make decent money here even by playing clubs that could only accommodate small audiences. But soul singers then took over here from around 1965. But blues guys were back in vogue by the end of the 60's (& into the 70's) as many UK beat groups had turned from R&B to blues material and were championing the old records of the original US blues guys. So once again, US blues guys began touring over here again and still found appreciative audiences.

One such guy was Lowell Fulsom who cut some classic songs that went on to find major success when cut by others (TRAMP). He had UK 45's released on iconic British labels, so his stuff became very collectable. It always seemed strange to me that with him cutting so many sides for Kent Records (US) and him dabbling with popular soul tracks such as "Funky Broadway" he had so few UK releases up to the early 70's.

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by Roburt