Can somebody help please?

I saw the Miracles ( Billy Griffin) at Manchester Free Trade Hall in I think , 1975.

I thought the bill included The Tymes. Some doubt about it.

I saw the Spinners and Four Tops at Manchester Opera House.

I think this was 1975.

Can anybody confirm where, and with who, The Tymes appeared.

Thanks

If it's the same one I attended- by memory soon after Smokey going solo, hence Billy Griffin-it was with The Temptations

Thanks, but I don't think that was the show I saw. The Miracles were top if the bill.

April 1976 has been suggested...that sounds right, but I thought that The Tymes supported them.

The Miracles appeared at the Free Trade Hall on 13.4.76 no mention on poster of supporting act.

Tried putting a link but did not work

Edited yesterday at 18:361 day by Shinehead

Thank you.

That will be the show.

Others suggested the Tymes opened for the Four Tops, but I was sure the Tymes appeared at the Free Trade Hall with The Miracles.

Spinners/ Four Tops definetly at the Opera House...75 or 76.

40 minutes ago, Shinehead said:

The Miracles appeared at the Free Trade Hall on 13.4.76 no mention on poster of supporting act.

Tried putting a link but did not work

Concert archives website archive mentions no support either

Apr 13, 1976: The Miracles at Free Trade Hall Manchester,...

The Miracles info along with concert photos, videos, setlists, and more.

There is no mention of The Tymes appearing in Manchester in 1975 but the did appear at Hammersmith Palais in April of that year. With the Tops was Nov 1974

The Tymes Concert & Tour History | Concert Archives

The Tymes tours & concert list along with photos, videos, and setlists of their live performances.

Thanks.

Don't recall The Tymes with the Four Tops, but I saw them several times over the years and memory plays tricks some times.

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

Concert archives website archive mentions no support either

Apr 13, 1976: The Miracles at Free Trade Hall Manchester,...

The Miracles info along with concert photos, videos, setlists, and more.

I tried uploading a poster from the tour but did not work, not my poster one that was for sale on the web.

Thanks.

Happy with that date.

Can't find that Spinners/ Four Tops Opera House. It's funny the things that stick with you...I vividly recall meeting a friend outside, who said that the Spinners blew the Four Tops away..that's how I felt.

But we'd seen the Four Tops quite a few times , and as the saying goes, 'familiarity breeds contempt,'.

Not quite contempt then, but the Tops seemed ,'tired in comparison.

Now...did I see The Spinners on another show...as the headline act?? I did see some mixed shows....Tavares supporting Frankie Valli & Four Seasons at the Apollo.

Chic supported by Ray Parker jr. At the Apollo.

Edited yesterday at 20:321 day by Owd Codger

Poster here from Miracles Manchester

The Nostalgia Shop

Miracles On Tour. 1976 Large Original Advert (ref AD15744)

Miracles, UK Tour. Classic Original Advert 1976. Presented in cream bevel cut mount with backing card and clear bag. Ready to fit in 20 x 16 Inch frame. Want it framing? If so, buy this then go to Fra

I have a Four Tops Concert programme from mid 70s I will dig it out tomorrow and see the tour itinerary.

Saw so many Motown shows..

Labi Sifre opened at the Odeon ( Four Tops??). Left the stage in tears as some in the audience were chanting football type songs. Not aimed at him..(beer talking?) But it upset him.

Stevie Wonder/ Martha & Vandellas Odeon.

Numerous Four Tops.

Jr Walker/ Edwin Starr..Free trade Hall.

Temptations/ Jr Walker..Free Trade Hall.

Marvin Gaye Rose Banks ?? Apollo.

Gladys Knight..pre..Buddah..nearly 100% Motown at Odeon , later post Buddah hardly any Motown songs in act.

Diana Ross/ Devastating Affair

Supremes..several

Jimmy Ruffin..Wheel, Top of the Town.

Many more

Edited yesterday at 20:451 day by Owd Codger

13 minutes ago, Owd Codger said:

Thanks.

Happy with that date.

Can't find that Spinners/ Four Tops Opera House. It's funny the things that stick with you...I vividly recall meeting a friend outside, who said that the Spinners blew the Four Tops away..that's how I felt.

But we'd seen the Four Tops quite a few times , and as the saying goes, 'familiarity breeds contempt,'.

Not quite contempt then, but the Tops seemed ,'tired in comparison.

Now...did I see The Spinners on another show...as the headline act?? I did see some mixed shows....Tavares supporting Frankie Valli & Four Seasons at the Apollo.

Chic supported by Ray Parker jr. At the Apollo.

Not trying to say you are wrong but the Spinners were massive in the 70s and to tour with the Four Tops would be a dream but two different label artists who were both big I would assume improbable but I do not know just a hunch.

Perhaps my mind's in a bind.

1973

There you go...but 1973.....really didn't think it was that early.

Many thanks

1 minute ago, Chalky said:

1973

Beat me to it, I just found it myself

Owd codgers mind is not playing tricks 🙂👍

25 minutes ago, Owd Codger said:

did I see The Spinners on another show...as the headline act??

I have all my old tickets in a frame,very faded now . I wish I had been more careful writing the acts on the Opera House and Palace tickets.

I have the Detroit Spinners on the Atlantic Road Show with hosted by Emperor Roskoe with support from Jimmy Castor and I think Sister Sledge at the Opera House Sunday April the 6th. Then again with Brass Construction as support Saturday 30th April 1977 at I think the Palace,only half a ticket.

I have a Four Tops ticket for the Opera House with the support act written in biro,unfortunately can't make out the name, starts with an S maybe second letter P so could be the one you are talking about.

Marvin Gaye, I've got one from the ABC at Ardwick,no date and no indication of support.

Gladys Knight, Odeon theatre, November the third, what a night that was,got hers and the Pips autographs after the show in the program which I stupidly gave away about five years ago.

I'll try and take some pics, might jog a few more memories of shows you hacmve forgotten about,I didnt realise I'd seen Herbie Hancock until I took the board out of the frame.

Scary stuff.

This means I went to this show with a lady friend of 1973 vintage, and not the lady friend of 1975 vintage.

Leave it at that...😉

25 minutes ago, Owd Codger said:

did I see The Spinners on another show...as the headline act??

I have all my old tickets in a frame,very faded now . I wish I had been more careful writing the acts on the Opera House and Palace tickets.

I have the Detroit Spinners on the Atlantic Road Show with hosted by Emperor Roskoe with support from Jimmy Castor and I think Sister Sledge at the Opera House Sunday April the 6th. Then again with Brass Construction as support Saturday 30th April 1977 at I think the Palace,only half a ticket.

I have a Four Tops ticket for the Opera House with the support act written in biro,unfortunately can't make out the name, starts with an S maybe second letter P so could be the one you are talking about.

Marvin Gaye, I've got one from the ABC at Ardwick,no date and no indication of support.

Gladys Knight, Odeon theatre, November the third, what a night that was,got hers and the Pips autographs after the show in the program which I stupidly gave away about five years ago.

I'll try and take some pics, might jog a few more memories of shows you hacmve forgotten about,I didnt realise I'd seen Herbie Hancock until I took the board out of the frame.

Thanks Twoshoes.

First Concert..Soul Together..Odeon.

Sam & Dave, Joe Tex, Clarence Carter and Arthur Conley....about 50pence!

Edwin, Jr Walker, Jimmy Ruffin at The Wheel.

Major Lance at Rafters.

Arthur Conley at Top of the Town.

Jr Walker Stretford Hard Rock.

Bobby Womack, Ann Peebles, ( Met Willie Michell)....Plymouth Grove club ?

Motor City revue..Elgins, Syreeta, Suoremes, Marv Johnson, Carolyn Crawford. Apollo.

Marvin ...Rose Banks I think.

Commodores..Apollo,

Free Trade Hall ( massive fight in crowd) ...Three ounces of Love.

Kim Weston, Brenda Holloway..Ritz

Chuck Jackson..Northampton

More if I can recall them

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by Owd Codger

Saw that Geoge Mcrare ticket at Free Trade Hall. If I recall he sang 'Rock me baby' about 4 times!

Got into Free Trade Hall Stylistics for free...walked out after about 20 minutes..

3 hours ago, Shinehead said:

The Miracles appeared at the Free Trade Hall on 13.4.76 no mention on poster of supporting act.

Tried putting a link but did not work

Thanks Alan, that's the one.

Sure The Tymes supported them but could be wrong.

14 minutes ago, Owd Codger said:

Got into Free Trade Hall Stylistics for free...walked out after about 20 minutes..

I saw them twice, first time they were brilliant,second time possibly the one you saw, i only went due to my cousin liking them,by then they were singing Rock and Roll Baby and the like. I wasn't impressed.

My memory of the Denice Williams was Lenny Williams supporting her ,only went to see him, a few stood up applauding after he sang So Very Hard To Go and got confused looks from the Deniece Williams fans, I thought she was crap. he was brilliant,from memory sang nearly all the songs from his first solo album.

I seem to remember Gwen was supposed to be on the George McCrae bill but had a cold and didnt appear, were KC and the Sunshine band also support?

Don't recall KC....might have been.

An odd one...A variety show at the Palace. Dionne Warwick..on the bill was Jimmy Helms, a comedian, Italian Opera singer, juggler type.

Must have been a Charity event. Dionne had to sit on a stool , couldn't walk about..tetanus jab in her backside

1 hour ago, Owd Codger said:

Saw so many Motown shows..

Labi Sifre opened at the Odeon ( Four Tops??). Left the stage in tears as some in the audience were chanting football type songs. Not aimed at him..(beer talking?) But it upset him.

Stevie Wonder/ Martha & Vandellas Odeon.

Numerous Four Tops.

Jr Walker/ Edwin Starr..Free trade Hall.

Temptations/ Jr Walker..Free Trade Hall.

Marvin Gaye Rose Banks ?? Apollo.

Gladys Knight..pre..Buddah..nearly 100% Motown at Odeon , later post Buddah hardly any Motown songs in act.

Diana Ross/ Devastating Affair

Supremes..several

Jimmy Ruffin..Wheel, Top of the Town.

Many more

Marvin was definitely supported by Rose Banks her single "Darling Baby" was on UK release at the time a nice version of the Elgins.

Yes. Took a holdall of my Motown scrapbooks in the hope Marvin could sign a few . Bouncer took the bag in. About 30 min later, bag returned full of Marvin Gaye autographs.

Dave Godin was in the dressing room with him, and about 3 weeks later he wrote about my bag in Blues and Soul. 1976 .

Met Eddie Kendricks backstage hours before his show with David Ruffin, Dennis Edwards.....just the two of us. Signed all my albums never said a word at all...no respone at all.

Later , during show, came into the audience, spotted me and waved..clear communication.

Had a reputation of being moody, but he was clearly ill. Both Ruffin and he sadly died months after

9 hours ago, Owd Codger said:

An odd one...A variety show at the Palace. Dionne Warwick..on the bill was Jimmy Helms, a comedian, Italian Opera singer, juggler type.

I remember that one, lady comedian was very good, don't recall Jimmy Helms , I recall her coming on with a walking stick but though she had had an accident, I don't recall it being a charity event though. these are great memories. We were lucky in that period 71 to 80 to have the chance to see so many major soul acts across all genres in Manchester.

One of my memories is deciding at the last minute to go to the first night of the Warner Brothers music tour that was spread over two nights. We had tickets for the second night with the Doobie Brothers and Graham Central Station deciding at 5 o'clock on the night I couldn't miss the chance to see Tower of Power, we were just about to go to the ticket office when a bloke asked did we have tickets.thinking he was a tout we said no, he promptly gave us two tickets, five rows back courtesy of Warner Brothers. I made someone else's night as a guy asked had we any spare tickets ,luckily the Warner brothers chap was still about so i directed him there, he ended up sat behind us. Tower of Power were brilliant, at one point the brass players coming of the stage dancing up and down the aisle still playing, just fabulous.

Hello,

Yes these events bring back good memories. I saw quite a few, but clearly others like yourself leave me standing. Your ticket collection is amazing.

I went to queue for Stalls tickets for Diana Ross/ Devastating Affair.

Big queues, and no stalls left. I was disappointed but about to buy circle, when the Clerk said " you could have a Private Box'...Royal Family style. Snapped it up....and not too expensive as I recall.

Jackson 5 / Sisters Love...wow, what a mismatch.Belle Vue Kings Hall/ Circus top.

Smokey Robinson..saw twice, can't recall first venue but second was Davenport Theatre Stockport. That was VERY memorable. Took my albums....Bouncer took them into Smokey. Bouncer returned, ,"Smokey want to know who it's dedicated to?"

Gave him my name along with wife's. Disaster, Smokey got the incorrect name of Wife..which just happened to be the same as previous girlfriend. Oh Dear.

Went to the Apollo to see Gladys Knight. Went for a beer in the Apsley Cottage?? , absolutely rammed and had to fight to get to the bar. Guy , black tie and dinner suit turned around and said " don't worry son, no rush...we're the band!

3 hours ago, Owd Codger said:

.Belle Vue Kings Hall/ Circus top.

3 hours ago, Owd Codger said:

s tickets for Diana Ross

3 hours ago, Owd Codger said:

.Bouncer took them into Smokey. Bouncer returned, ,"Smokey want to know who it's dedicated to?"

Belle Vue, those wooden benches we couldn't have been sat any further back, have a vague memory of being cold there too, amazed at women screaming at the sound or just Barry's voice during Walking in the rain, seem to recall the concert was well constructed with the orchestra doing their bit the the ladies leading on to Big bazza himself.

Diana Ross for me wasn't "oh I must see her" more didn't want to miss the chance of seeing her, i was surprised how much I enjoyed the gig.

On the getting autographs after the Gladys knight finished my mate who was black (can I say that) and had an afro said we are going to the stage door for autographs, When I got there he had disappeared, there were probably about twenty in the queue and we were told Miss Knight will see you five at a time. I could have dropped to the floor when my turn came, my mate was stood there with the group and whether true or not he never changed his story he claimed he even signed a few programmes.

Did you see Jimmy Ruffin in either Oldham or Rochdale in a club I can't remember the name of ? Long walk home where we hitched a lift from a bloke in a very small van, only room for one in the front, the rest of us climbed in the back, we'd only gone a mile when there was a furious banging on the back panel ,van skidded to a halt, back doors flew open and my mate screamed get out get out, the bloke had tried to touch him up

13 hours ago, Owd Codger said:

Met Eddie Kendricks backstage hours before his show with David Ruffin, Dennis Edwards.....just the two of us. Signed all my albums never said a word at all...no respone at all.

Went to see those three at the Doncater Dome on the same tour, David Sea was on backing vocals too.

2 minutes ago, Shinehead said:

Went to see those three at the Doncater Dome on the same tour, David Sea was on backing vocals too.

I was there too at The Dome

🥵

Saw Jimmy Ruffin a few times.

Not sure about Oldham. There were a few clubs in Oldham back then..Candlelight Henry Afrikas etc.

BTW if you are still in Gtr Manchester you might be intetested in my 2 shows for North Manchester fm 106.6 ?

Soulful shack...60s/70s Northern/ rare.

That Motown Sound...underplayed amd overlooked Motown.

Can send you a link if interested.

Funk Bros..Apollo..that was great

4 minutes ago, Shinehead said:

Went to see those three at the Doncater Dome on the same tour, David Sea was on backing vocals too.

Yes David Sea of course.

A few old progs.

A few more

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by Shinehead

There you go,another old programme should answer your question

3 hours ago, Owd Codger said:

Can send you a link if interested.

Cheers ,I've seen the links when you put them up and listened a few times. A good listen.

The top right Four Tops is the one with the Tymes as support. I have a spare of the Tops and Spinners programme not been kept very well but you're welcome to ,message me if want it and we'll work something out.