I've recently gotten a hold of a couple of acetates that I don't know much about but hopefully someone out there can help me out.

The first one is a one-sided Dick Charles Recording Service acetate. There's no artist listed. The title of the track is "You're Gonna Be Missed". It's written by Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer. It's published by Budd Music. No song with this title is mentioned in either of those songwriters BMI or ASCAP entries.

Have a listen to it here:

https://www.shingaling.com/YoureGonnaBeMissed.mp3

The second one is a double-sided IBC Sound Recording Studios acetate (with a London, England address). There's no artist listed. The titles of the tracks are "Get A Hold Of Yourself" and "The Sun Is Coming In". There are no songwriters credited. Both tracks are published by Mills Music Ltd.

Have a listen to these tracks here:

https://www.shingaling.com/TheSunIsComingIn.mp3

https://www.shingaling.com/GetAHoldOfYourself.mp3

If anyone of you have got any info on these tracks (if they are known/issued/unissued/etc.), please let me know.

Thanks in advance.

I've recently gotten a hold of a couple of acetates that I don't know much about but hopefully someone out there can help me out.

The first one is a one-sided Dick Charles Recording Service acetate. There's no artist listed. The title of the track is "You're Gonna Be Missed". It's written by Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer. It's published by Budd Music. No song with this title is mentioned in either of those songwriters BMI or ASCAP entries.

This is just speculation, Sebastian, but I believe that the well known songwriter Bea Verdi and her sister Liz Verdi both were known to do a lot of demos for Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer, although they were by no means the only ones to do so.

Could easily be either of them, though...

He's not on here but I'll ask my frequent collaborator Mick Patrick what and who he thinks when next we speak!

This is just speculation, Sebastian, but I believe that the well known songwriter Bea Verdi and her sister Liz Verdi both were known to do a lot of demos for Buddy Kaye and Philip Springer, although they were by no means the only ones to do so.

Could easily be either of them, though...

He's not on here but I'll ask my frequent collaborator Mick Patrick what and who he thinks when next we speak!

Thanks for your comments and suggestions Tony. Mick Patrick commented the Dick Charles acetate when I posted about it on the Spectropop mailing list and suggested that it might be an unissued The Persians (on Pageant) tune. Apparently their "Get A Hold Of Yourself" is co-written by Kaye. I really like this tune.

Did anyone else listen to these? Any comments at all?

Here's a picture of the acetate:

Edited July 10, 200717 yr by Sebastian

The second one is a double-sided IBC Sound Recording Studios acetate (with a London, England address). There's no artist listed. The titles of the tracks are "Get A Hold Of Yourself" and "The Sun Is Coming In". There are no songwriters credited. Both tracks are published by Mills Music Ltd.

Get A Hold Of Yourself was written by Ray and Elaine Adams. They also wrote The Sun Is Coming In with Valerie Avon - all three were members of the pop/MOR group The Avons. You could contact Elaine through her booking agency (link here) to see if she can give you any more information.

If the Dick Charles recording was a demo, then why does it have (what looks like) a matrix number? From my experience, that's unusual.

Edited July 10, 200717 yr by TheHoneyDripper

Get A Hold Of Yourself was written by Ray and Elaine Adams. They also wrote The Sun Is Coming In with Valerie Avon - all three were members of the pop/MOR group The Avons. You could contact Elaine through her booking agency (link here) to see if she can give you any more information.

Thanks for the information! It all makes perfect sense because another IBC acetate which I found in the same batch includes both sides of Ray & Elaine's "Never Can A Tear" b/w "Please Be Patient" 45 on DJM from 1969. I'll try to get in contact with Elaine and find out if the tracks above are unissued or not.

If the Dick Charles recording was a demo, then why does it have (what looks like) a matrix number? From my experience, that's unusual.

I agree, the number on the left side is a bit confusing. But perhaps it was the third track recorded at a single session and so a number was associated to the tune by default? Recording three tracks during a session and choosing the best two for the 45 happened quite a lot. I honestly don't know, just speculating. Thanks again for your comments!

Edited July 10, 200717 yr by Sebastian

Pop tunes with zero Soul content that do nth for me at all although I can imagine in ´74 there may have been some demand for titles like these. IMHO only of course.

Marc

Edited July 10, 200717 yr by Marc Forrest

Thanks for the information! It all makes perfect sense because another IBC acetate which I found in the same batch includes both sides of Ray & Elaine's "Never Can A Tear" b/w "Please Be Patient" 45 on DJM from 1969. I'll try to get in contact with Elaine and find out if the tracks above are unissued or not.

I agree, the number on the left side is a bit confusing. But perhaps it was the third track recorded at a single session and so a number was associated to the tune by default? Recording three tracks during a session and choosing the best two for the 45 happened quite a lot. I honestly don't know, just speculating. Thanks again for your comments!

It might be the date - 11-5-65

Pop tunes with zero Soul content that do nth for me at all although I can imagine in ´74 there may have been some demand for titles like these. IMHO only of course.

Marc

I don't think so...

I don't think so...

Would have surprised me if you would.. different strokes and all that

i have a dick charles acetate identical design as yours via nashee who got it from joe dutton, i believe. where you say it may be the date i have 62168 which i spose could be21 of june 68 as yanks put month before day dont they? does that work on yours? number same on both sides, cheers ezzie its a sort of happy go lucky r/b doo wop thing! i know await with interest joes description as he clearly didnt want it!!!!!!!!!!! more info no etching at all in run out

Edited July 10, 200717 yr by ezzie brown

Pop tunes with zero Soul content that do nth for me at all although I can imagine in ´74 there may have been some demand for titles like these. IMHO only of course.

Marc

Hi Marc , Sebastion ,I have purchased from.........when my ears have been happy

Pete ,a dealer,has NO idea of what constitutes a great sound today

ZERO is too much on the sounds posted ATB Stevie

Having stated this , I did have the opportunity to make my choice+++++++++

Good call Sir, in fact any call from you is good

Hi Marc , Sebastion ,I have purchased from.........when my ears have been happy

Pete ,a dealer,has NO idea of what constitutes a great sound today

ZERO is too much on the sounds posted ATB Stevie

Having stated this , I did have the opportunity to make my choice+++++++++

Sorry, I only speak English..

Sorry, I only speak English..

Hi Pete ,I Know you only speak English ATB Stevie

Just out of interest, where did I state anything about these records having soul content or being "fit" for the northern scene?

I was simply asking if anyone had any info on these tracks because there are quite a lot of people on this forum who know quite a bit about records.

The Dick Charles acetate is, in any case, a great piece of music. It is one-sided so has only got that number on one side. The number being the date of recording seems reasonable, making it 15th of January 1965 or 5th of November 1965.

Edited July 10, 200717 yr by Sebastian

Did anyone else listen to these? Any comments at all?

Hi mate, to serve your interest, here you asked for comments...

Marc

Hi mate, to serve your interest, here you asked for comments...

Marc

Marc, I get your point. Thanks for taking the time to listen to them.