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Just seen a post in another thread which reminded me of an earlier post I made which was buried away in another subject so I thought I'd revive it just out of curiosity.

Namely: does it make any sense to play highly rare and valuable original records @ different venues these days?

Surely it doesn't make a lot of sense to play impossibly rare records out at every gig these days does it? It's one way to wear your records out too fast. Especially styrene pressings - I ruined 2 copies of Morris Chestnut, 2 Tobi Legends, 1 Gerri Grainger, I Al Jones and countless others that way, so if you now have 'em in your collection and get annoyed from the hiss and spluttering at the beginning, then you probably have a deejay's old copy!

Also, the way things are moving these days, even CD's are becoming out-of-date - the growth is now in digital formats as much as it kills me to say it. But, from a personal point of view, I think it makes more sense for a DJ to have 10,000 songs at his disposal so he can play what he wants without being limited to a single box of records. Maybe that could be one way to brighten up the playlists possibly?

I know the Northern scene is naturally dominated by records but I'm not sure how relevent actually owning the original vinyl is going to be in years to come. Right now it's like a 'badge of honour' to own the original vinyl but how many of the crowd would be aware whether a track was played on the original vinyl or on CD? Less than 1% I reckon.........Also, the CD version would probably sound better than a well-played vinyl copy I'm saddened to say.....

Don't get me wrong - I love vinyl as much as anyone - I still have a couple of rooms full of it, but I don't see what's so wrong with having the choice of playing both vinyl and CD/Digital. Does it make, say, an unreleased Kent track any better by playing an acetate of it, when it was probably cut from a CD in the first place? Also, I notice that several DJ's on other scenes are playing custom-pressed double-sided copies of their own rarities on bespoke one-off new vinyl pressings. So they're not playing the originals, they're playing re-dubbed versions of their own rare records on a newer piece of plastic. Well, if you do that, then surely it's got be easier to carry 10,000 tunes on a laptop hasn't it?

I notice this is happening more and more with DJ's who play internationally. Freight charges, customs and even foreign Taxes are killing 'em if they carry vinyl these days. Also, it's a risk - would you risk your vinyl collection to baggage handlers around the world? Especially Northern collections! Or do you take 100 records only and limit your choice?

I'm writing this at the time when, in the mainstream market, commercially, the vinyl format is now just about dead and the CD will be dead from mid next year in my opinion (going by the annual declines, store closures and distributors going bust).

This'll be a hiding to nothing here, but is it really worth playing that mega valuable rarity out and diminishing it's quality and lifespan with every play? At least when I wore out my vinyl copies in the mid 70's I could replace 'em a lot cheaper than now........

So, as probably the pre-eminent vinyl collectors forum in the world, what are the views of Soul Source members?

Ian D

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This way it's a win-win situation................appear to be spinning your vinyl whilst really playing mp3's from a laptop ohmy.gif

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef9xKlimoew

You realise what's happening 20 mins into the set, when you ponder "how come he doesn't change the disks??" :lol: This guy was awesome at Southport........a two hour disco/classics set!! If you've never seen this, it's two time coded disks and special headshells/styli................you pick your mp3 file on the old lapola, assign it to a deck, and then use the vinyl to control the digital file.............kinda cool.............don't shoot me, just a bit of Sunday evening fun :thumbsup::shhh: Took him 10 mins to unwire it all though when the next DJ came on. Carry your vinyl from the USA, or bring this gear??............I can see the appeal!!!

Of course..............you could really show off, and play a two hour mixed house set from reel-to-reel tape.............like Kerri Chandler did here:

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ24cKKV1sc

Propper DJ's methinks...........might not be your kinda music, but you have to admire the skills and technology!!

Cheers,

Mark R

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This way it's a win-win situation................appear to be spinning your vinyl whilst really playing mp3's from a laptop ohmy.gif

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef9xKlimoew

You realise what's happening 20 mins into the set, when you ponder "how come he doesn't change the disks??" :lol: This guy was awesome at Southport........a two hour disco/classics set!! If you've never seen this, it's two time coded disks and special headshells/styli................you pick your mp3 file on the old lapola, assign it to a deck, and then use the vinyl to control the digital file.............kinda cool.............don't shoot me, just a bit of Sunday evening fun :D:( Took him 10 mins to unwire it all though when the next DJ came on. Carry your vinyl from the USA, or bring this gear??............I can see the appeal!!!

Of course..............you could really show off, and play a two hour mixed house set from reel-to-reel tape.............like Kerri Chandler did here:

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ24cKKV1sc

Propper DJ's methinks...........might not be your kinda music, but you have to admire the skills and technology!!

Cheers,

Mark R

And I do Mark! But I do think the Serato scratch thingy is a bit of a fraud really - probably designed for showman scratchers rather than anything else.

Ableton Live seems to be the software in favour right now, so this is what I'll be learning from January onwards - not for Northern gigs I might add!

Greg Wilson also uses a Reel-To-Reel together with a laptop and I was knocked out when I saw what he could do - as were the several hundred punters who never left the floor all night. He played a devasting set of live mixes from the early 70's - things like "Grazing In The Grass" - Friends Of Distinction. "Low Rider" - War, "Soul Makossa" - Manu Dibango etc, etc and THAT'S when I realised the possibilities of laptops even though I was cynical up to that point.

Not looking forward to learning it though LOL.... :lol:

Ian D

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I think thats a totally different issue to the one thats basically being discussed. Isn't the topic basically about the northern scene and its fascination with orgianl vinyl only (not read all the topic so sorry if I've got it wrong)? The more modern scene always been open to cds as more often that not cd is the origianl format.

As for King Moses, I have that here on the PC, I could get that cut to vinyl carver. Wonder what the reaction would be?

Is playing a vinyl carver cut of an unissued track available on a Kent cd for instance any different to actually playing the cd itself?

The only difference is a cosmetic one Chalky. It'll cost £20 to cut it to a carver, there'll be a slight loss of quality but you will be credible 'cos it's vinyl LOL!

And the thread has weaved around an interesting series of viewpoints, all of 'em interesting, but the point of the thread was 'does it make any sense to play rare originals at venues and wear 'em out eventually'. The general concensus seems to be that it DOES make sense, so I wouldn't want to be a collector looking for a decent copy in 10-20 years.....

And if you're going to do a carver on that King Moses I'd seek written permission from whoever paid the big money for the original copy and take a couple of bodyguards with you to any gig you might play it at!

Ian D

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He shouldn't have sold it if he still wanted to play it. there is loads of records i've sold that i could still play, if i wanted but it goes against the grain any one else would be shot down in flames, i also belive he's playing another of a carver until he 'gets a real copy'

But what will you do when that rare original wears out or gets too worn to play? Remove it forever, thus depriving people of the right to hear it? smile.gif

Ian D

And I do Mark! But I do think the Serato scratch thingy is a bit of a fraud really - probably designed for showman scratchers rather than anything else.

Ableton Live seems to be the software in favour right now, so this is what I'll be learning from January onwards - not for Northern gigs I might add!

Greg Wilson also uses a Reel-To-Reel together with a laptop and I was knocked out when I saw what he could do - as were the several hundred punters who never left the floor all night. He played a devasting set of live mixes from the early 70's - things like "Grazing In The Grass" - Friends Of Distinction. "Low Rider" - War, "Soul Makossa" - Manu Dibango etc, etc and THAT'S when I realised the possibilities of laptops even though I was cynical up to that point.

Not looking forward to learning it though LOL.... biggrin.gif

Ian D

for northern Virtual Dj would suffice , i used it to do the latest podcast i done

But what will you do when that rare original wears out or gets too worn to play? Remove it forever, thus depriving people of the right to hear it? :D

Ian D

yes because in the meantime it would of served its purpose, entertaining thousands of happy soulies, everything has its day and if it was mine at least i can still look at it laugh.gif

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for northern Virtual Dj would suffice , i used it to do the latest podcast i done

Yeah, I have seen that and looks quite fun to use but I think the Ableton gear allows you to do lots of interesting things which can improve the mixes. Haven't learnt it yet but I've yet to hear a negative thing about it. Will report back round about March next year...... smile.gif

Ian D

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yes because in the meantime it would of served its purpose, entertaining thousands of happy soulies, everything has its day and if it was mine at least i can still look at it laugh.gif

What!!! And you'd deprive future generations of potential Northern Soulies the priviledge of hearing a monster rare tune? Typical of this bloody generation....it's all me me me........ :D

Ian D

What!!! And you'd deprive future generations of potential Northern Soulies the priviledge of hearing a monster rare tune? Typical of this bloody generation....it's all me me me........ :D

Ian D

by that time i reckon it will be alright to play it on mp3 Ian laugh.gif

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by that time i reckon it will be alright to play it on mp3 Ian laugh.gif

Wouldn't be caught dead with anyone elses MP3's mate. Mine would be RARE! :D

Ian D

Wouldn't be caught dead with anyone elses MP3's mate. Mine would be RARE! laugh.gif

Ian D

I would have it as me ring tone and everyone could sit around me and wait for someone to phone :D

I would have it as me ring tone and everyone could sit around me and wait for someone to phone :D

Could be a while then, may as well have a fag or twenty while you wait whistling.gif

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I would have it as me ring tone and everyone could sit around me and wait for someone to phone biggrin.gif

I'd have mine triple encrypted and sent to the government for safekeeping! :D

I went to a work non soul event on Friday night and there was a person there (I won't credit him with the title dj) who was playing MP3s off a laptop. He couldnt even work the floor in an event that consisted of 150 pissed up lawyers on the wrong side of 40 who'd been necking free booze all night. My boss had to send me up to sort him out..having no personal experience of djying in any format it took me about 2 minutes to a. work out how to cue the tracks up and b. get the dancefloor moving (Tavares if your're interested....)

My point is that any old f**ker can dj off a laptop....I don't mind MP3s and CDs where it is the only format but where it exists on vinyl play it on vinyl wherever possible. And what if the records wear out? Well who cares as most of us will be dead by then and the saviours of the NS scene can get their MP3s out or whatever they have by then biggrin.gif

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