Serious question, i'll agree it's not a Soul record BUT it's uplifting, has a great tune & is very danceable IMHO so my question is why do a lot of people think it's rubbish, is it the lack of Soul, snobbery or you just plain think it's not good?

I'm genuinely interested

Simon

Serious question, i'll agree it's not a Soul record BUT it's uplifting, has a great tune & is very danceable IMHO so my question is why do a lot of people think it's rubbish, is it the lack of Soul, snobbery or you just plain think it's not good?

I'm genuinely interested

Simon

I think its a great 60s pop record and but as you say not a soul record and love to hear it played at the right time and in the right place which is not a soul night. I am a big advocate of 60s girlie pop and this is up there in that context with some of the best.

QoFxx

Serious question, i'll agree it's not a Soul record BUT it's uplifting, has a great tune & is very danceable IMHO so my question is why do a lot of people think it's rubbish, is it the lack of Soul, snobbery or you just plain think it's not good?

I'm genuinely interested

Simon

I should think the same reason you disslike anything i post up all of the above.

IT'S NOT A GREAT SOUL RECORD I AGREE, BUT NO DENYING IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SOUNDS ON THE SCENE MANY YEARS BACK. THEN AGAIN MANY NORTHERN RECORDS HAVE LITTLE SOUL CONTENT,AND ARE PRIMARILY BY WHITE ARTISTS,BUT ARE GOOD DANCERS. WHERE'S THE SOUL IN HOLLY ST JAMES,BEVERLY ANN, HELEN SHAPIRO,ETC. NO WONDER SOME AMERICAN SELLERS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. TRY TELLING THEM IT'S "LIKE MOTOWN BEAT,BLACK DANCE MUSIC" THEN ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE A COPY OF BOBBY GOLDSBORO "TOO MANY PEOPLE". THEN THEY THINK ALL BG IS NORTHERN SOUL! YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK ON EBAY TO SEE WHAT IS BEING PASSED OFF AS NORTHERN. MURIEL DAY BRINGS BACK MEMORIES OF MY YOUTH AND I SHOULD THINK MOST PEOPLE OVER 40 SAY HAVE PROBABLY DANCED TO IT,BUT WON'T ADMIT IT COS OF THE STIGMA ATTACHED TO IT!!!

Serious question, i'll agree it's not a Soul record BUT it's uplifting, has a great tune & is very danceable IMHO so my question is why do a lot of people think it's rubbish, is it the lack of Soul, snobbery or you just plain think it's not good?

I'm genuinely interested

Simon

I remember hearing it for the first time at the Casino & really hating it, awful record [ imo]. I thought it was lazy & unadventurous by dj`s to play records of this type at the time & still do, there was so much good quality soul around [ new release & undiscovered] ........ for me it was always a divvy record.

There`s been some cracking white pop records that fitted into the Northern scene perfectly but this was scraping the barrel .

is it the lack of Soul, snobbery or you just plain think it's not good?

Think all of the above.......as it's little more than a Cheesy pop record IMHO

What I would say though is the amount of abuse NTOOT gets is out of all proportion to it's part on the scene, it's just one of those tracks people always use as a stick to beat 'Northern' with......which is little unfair on the record, AND us!..

Edited February 2, 200817 yr by Teapot

I should think the same reason you disslike anything i post up all of the above.

Aw come on Ken, i love the tunes you post up!

Simon

Aw come on Ken, i love the tunes you post up!

Simon

Mornin` Simon,i must be lucky cause i dont ever remember Murial being played anywhere save maybe the youth club,but never a nighter.................was it really,i must have been in M`s at the time.

Mornin` Simon,i must be lucky cause i dont ever remember Murial being played anywhere save maybe the youth club,but never a nighter.................was it really,i must have been in M`s at the time.

Morning ken, i think your like me i never heard it played at a nighter like you allthough i do remember alan rhodes playing it at the oval ball in york

Morning ken, i think your like me i never heard it played at a nighter like you allthough i do remember alan rhodes playing it at the oval ball in york

morn all , not at lifeline .ha Anyway agree with most of the above, not a soul record .. There a few around Expect theres been a post on hear somewhere ? Records played out but not soul. ha. BUT i did hear it played at niters, mainly around the midlands events... then again most records were at one time played somewhere, + wigan ha. mart

Its rubbish

Mornin` Simon,i must be lucky cause i dont ever remember Murial being played anywhere save maybe the youth club,but never a nighter.................was it really,i must have been in M`s at the time.

It was played in M's........

One of the Jocks in M's (Don't recall who (Keith Brady maybe??)) spun it the week it was pressed, and after playing it he shouted.. "Thats the first and last time I play that Shite" then proceeded to slat the record sideways like a frisby......... hitting me on the head just as I was walking into the room....

It was played in M's........

One of the Jocks in M's (Don't recall who (Keith Brady maybe??)) spun it the week it was pressed, and after playing it he shouted.. "Thats the first and last time I play that Shite" then proceeded to slat the record sideways like a frisby......... hitting me on the head just as I was walking into the room....

That is a funny story - and to bastardise some else's previous post cos they're funnier than me - nine times out of ten it would've missed yer!

I do like the story.

Its shite putting it midly thats why Simon

too many quality soul tunes need to be played and certainly not that one

Edited February 2, 200817 yr by Bearsy

Its shite putting it midly thats why Simon

too many quality soul tunes need to be played and certainly not that one

He;'s not saying it should be played instead of anything else, just that it's a good pop northern dancer. Which it is. Though fairly well down the scale when compared to Chapter Five, Helen Shapiro, John Andrews, Mark Loyd etc

He;'s not saying it should be played instead of anything else, just that it's a good pop northern dancer. Which it is. Though fairly well down the scale when compared to Chapter Five, Helen Shapiro, John Andrews, Mark Loyd etc

I know he isnt Pete but its something Simon likes to put when he makes a comment about many other tunes and he knows what im getting at

...Could it just be that she's called 'Muriel'

I am curious where "Too Much of a Good Thing" - Karen Young on Major Minor falls in this vein.

A record I do enjoy for some reason, could be that feel good 60's girlie singer thing like listening to Jimmy Saville on the transistor.

Was it played because of its link to the Ambassadors title.

Like Judy Street`s "What"... it has all the musical bite of a caged potato,and it was shite like those that made

me realise I had grown out of what was then the embaressingly laughable "BLACK PUDDING BERTHA"

and "LENNY GAMBLE" era of Northern Soul.....no longer OURS anymore, the fat greedy suits had taken

it out of the underground and shat it into the gutter, it was cool no longer and im gutted to have an entry in my memory bank which knows

theres also a version by Shelly Winters.

"How dare they bastardize MY music scene the divvy little teeny boppers!!!!"

Thank god our "growing up" stopped when the kids.....erm......GREW UP and we were handed back our Mojo at a time

when we can REALLY appreciate our music....and also make sure benign rubbish like this never get to see a turntable again!!

Edited February 2, 200817 yr by Guest

Like Judy Street`s "What"... it has all the musical bite of a caged potato,and it was shite like those that made

me realise I had grown out of what was then the embaressingly laughable "BLACK PUDDING BERTHA"

and "LENNY GAMBLE" era of Northern Soul.....no longer OURS anymore, the fat greedy suits had taken

it out of the underground and shat it into the gutter, it was cool no longer.

"How dare they bastardize MY music scene the divvy little teeny boppers!!!!"

Thank god our "growing up" stopped when the kids.....erm......GREW UP and we were handed back our Mojo at a time

when we can REALLY appreciate our music....and also make sure benign rubbish like this never get to see a turntable again!!

What a load of bollox - the Judy Street bit - that was as good a record as any and is still a brilliant Northern record. Imagine hearing it foe the first time.

I'm not sure i like it, but it sends me right back to youth clubs in 1978. So from the point of view of pure nostalgia, not always a bad thing, i don't mind hearing it now and again along with stuff like 'On a magic carpet ride' 'Ten miles high' 'If you loved me' 'Cochise' etc... none of which are great soul but they are typical of a certain time on the scene.

What a load of bollox - the Judy Street bit - that was as good a record as any and is still a brilliant Northern record. Imagine hearing it foe the first time.

Yep got to agree - Judy Street is a top record that still sounds as good today as it ever did. Muriel Day was always shit and will always be shit.

WAS GONNA MENTION KAREN YOUNG B4! IN THE SAME VEIN, YOU COULD INCLUDE, JACKIE DE SHANNON, AND PAULA PARFITT, AND PAUL ANKA, ALL PLAYED WHEN THE SCENE WAS A CULTURE ABOUT DANCING AND LESS ABOUT SOUL. STOMPERS RULED BACK IN THOSE CRAPPY/HEADY(DELETE AS APPROPRIATE) DAYS. JUDY STREET WAS/IS A GREAT RECORD. IN THE SAME WAY IT MUST HAVE BEEN AWESOME TO HEAR GLORIA JONES FOR THE FIRST TIME.WOULD ANY (BAR GLORIA) GO NOWADAYS IF PLAYED FOR THE FIRST TIME, I DOUBT IT! HAVING SAID THAT, ALL THE TOP JOCKS IN THE DAY HAVE PLAYED AND RAVED ABOUT THE ABOVE, EVEN THO BY AND LARGE THEY ARE S**TE!

Yep got to agree - Judy Street is a top record that still sounds as good today as it ever did. Muriel Day was always shit and will always be shit.

Try Marlena Marx/mars on vj.

Try Marlena Marx/mars on vj.

Too slow by a mile

Yep got to agree - Judy Street is a top record that still sounds as good today as it ever did. Muriel Day was always shit and will always be shit.

DON'T MINCE YOUR WORDS MATE! I KNOW IT'S SHIT BUT NO DENYING IT WAS A BIG RECORD. AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SCENE,AND NO WORSE THAN TIM TAM, HAPPY CATS,HOLLY SHIT JAMES ETC.

Too slow by a mile

I like it,if ya`get one sell us it Pete.........how much do they go for.

one of the many things I like about this forum .. You get a good idea of what people/DJ's might play

"I like it,if ya get one sell us it Pete.........how much do they go for."

I like it too, I got mine for $2 from a used book store.

Don't know how much they go for now, the A side is what is listed first in Manship and that is "poppy".

one of the many things I like about this forum .. You get a good idea of what people/DJ's might play

what as in reflecting their own personal taste or their dj taste Simon

"I like it,if ya get one sell us it Pete.........how much do they go for."

I like it too, I got mine for $2 from a used book store.

Don't know how much they go for now, the A side is what is listed first in Manship and that is "poppy".

Thats two of us,can we stop biggin`it up please or i wont be able to afford it dont think slow means anything now

what as in reflecting their own personal taste or their dj taste Simon

Personal taste of course Mr Bear .. as you say , be your own man

Personal taste of course Mr Bear .. as you say , be your own man

or in my case, woman

what i was trying to get at Simon was that some DJs dont play what they actually like themselves

or in my case, woman

what i was trying to get at Simon was that some DJs dont play what they actually like themselves

You two,Start another topic

SAME SORT OF THING BUT A BIT OFF THE MURIAL DAY THING, THERE ARE LOTS OF "RARE" RECORDS THAT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY,LET'S BE HAVING THEM!!

THREE FOR STARTERS, JOEY DE LORENZO, WHAT A PILE OF CRAP THAT IS.

THAT AWFUL "TIED TO YOUR HEART"(COULD EASILY BE GARY LEWIS)!!

AND IN THE SAME VEIN PLAYERS IV "THE TWO OF US" GREAT DANCERS BUT HAVE THAT POPPY SING A LONG TYPE FEEL TO THEM. BIT LIKE MURIAL DAY

You two,Start another topic

now thats a great idea Ken, will you be joining us

2 08, 02:22 PM' post='688798']

or in my case, woman

what i was trying to get at Simon was that some DJs dont play what they actually like themselves

Edited February 2, 200817 yr by Simon M

I started playing up our way ZENA FOSTER-BABY LET ME TEACH YOU-VEEP n got told it was cr*p because it sounded like muriel day

2 08, 02:22 PM' post='688798']

or in my case, woman

what i was trying to get at Simon was that some DJs dont play what they actually like themselves

Well I presume they will be Mobile DJ's , playing Cheese , Mamsey pamsey and pop to earn a crust ?

ps . strange I now feel like a cheese sandwich and some lemonade

even disco

WASN'T M DAY C/U AS ZENA FOSTER? OR OTHER WAY ROUND. I REMEMBER THERE WAS A Z,FOSTER C/U YEARS AGO.

for me it was always a divvy record.

There`s been some cracking white pop records that fitted into the Northern scene perfectly but this was scraping the barrel .

Totally agree with you Garv. IMO it's happy, smiley, substance free 60s pop which wouldn't be out of place on sesame street, I imagine people skipping along a meadow, hand in hand picking daisies to this. Where's my axe.

Nowt to do with snobbiness, it's down to personal taste.

It was played in M's........

One of the Jocks in M's (Don't recall who (Keith Brady maybe??)) spun it the week it was pressed, and after playing it he shouted.. "Thats the first and last time I play that Shite" then proceeded to slat the record sideways like a frisby......... hitting me on the head just as I was walking into the room....

Worth taking the hit for a good cause

WASN'T M DAY C/U AS ZENA FOSTER? OR OTHER WAY ROUND. I REMEMBER THERE WAS A Z,FOSTER C/U YEARS AGO.

Gerri Thomas.... Look what i got ?

That was being played around the same time.

DON'T MINCE YOUR WORDS MATE! I KNOW IT'S SHIT BUT NO DENYING IT WAS A BIG RECORD. AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SCENE,AND NO WORSE THAN TIM TAM, HAPPY CATS,HOLLY SHIT JAMES ETC.

It was always considered one of the most horrible examples of the pop stompers that were driving soul fans away from the scene in their hordes at the time..

Who played it tho' ?

Pretty sure Mr Rae was one of the guilty...

Edited February 2, 200817 yr by Russ Smith

could be gerri thomas, same sort of happy, clip cloppy beat to it,a la kelly st clair,jackie forrest.

god didn't we dance to some crap at that time? happy days eh!

could be gerri thomas, same sort of happy, clip cloppy beat to it,a la kelly st clair,jackie forrest.

god didn't we dance to some crap at that time? happy days eh!

:lol:

i'm sure sam was playing it, and john manship,and someone at the palais(maybe john poole) and quite possibly alan rhodes and arthur fenn(st mary's(selby) and oval ball(york). but i bet they all deny it!

DON'T MINCE YOUR WORDS MATE! I KNOW IT'S SHIT BUT NO DENYING IT WAS A BIG RECORD. AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SCENE,AND NO WORSE THAN TIM TAM, HAPPY CATS,HOLLY SHIT JAMES ETC.

I like Holly St James too.

holly st james is the us version of helen shapiro,white pop sung by a 15 year old schoolgirl.had it's day but i personally don't like it. all a matter of taste i suppose!

holly st james is the us version of helen shapiro,white pop sung by a 15 year old schoolgirl.had it's day but i personally don't like it. all a matter of taste i suppose!

Yup.

Try Marlena Marx/mars on vj.

what about tina mason version