Whats the difference between the Yellow label and the straight light orange with 2 lines across. (besides the obvious)

Im talking about "youll never make the grade"

Whats the difference between the Yellow label and the straight light orange with 2 lines across. (besides the obvious)

Im talking about "youll never make the grade"

About fifty quid....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

About fifty quid....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

What do you mean Mark?

What do you mean Mark?

Sorry I was trying to be funny lol I meant the Orange copy is about £150.00 and the Yellow design is about £100.00 hence the difference is about £50.00.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Sorry I was trying to be funny lol I meant the Orange copy is about £150.00 and the Yellow design is about £100.00 hence the difference is about £50.00.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

It WAS funny Mark LOL. I laughed.

I think £100 is cheap for an original of this unless 1000's have turned up since. I only ever found one copy of this and I've always thought it was pretty rare.

Also this is a classic case of a record which was bootlegged before anyone even knew it LOL. I think it's an amazing record which never had the chance to get played 'cos it was in the shops as a boot without even being played anywhere. Sheer stupidity and Simon's greed........

Ian D

Sorry I was trying to be funny lol I meant the Orange copy is about £150.00 and the Yellow design is about £100.00 hence the difference is about £50.00.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

What about the "white copy" with John Hendley's "My Baby Came From Out Of Nowhere" as the A side OR the "Aliza issue" being as well your "trying to be funny" ....

Sorry pal ....

Hope your well ....

Also this is a classic case of a record which was bootlegged before anyone even knew it LOL. I think it's an amazing record which never had the chance to get played 'cos it was in the shops as a boot without even being played anywhere. Sheer stupidity and Simon's greed........

Ian D

Ian.... see above

Ernie,heres a scan of my orange copy if any help.

I remember buying it a good few years ago for £50 from my old mate Nige Shaw.

Edited May 10, 200817 yr by nick hackett

Whats the difference between the Yellow label and the straight light orange with 2 lines across. (besides the obvious)

Im talking about "youll never make the grade"

Has anyone got a scan of the yellow label? I prefer the yellow label copies 'cos the design's much more interesting.........I always thought this was an interesting label. Snowy used to lug Cal Green's "Johnny's Gone To Vietnam" around all the time and I loved the look of the label from the word go.......

Ian D :smile:

MAYBE the orange ones were a follow-up press made in haste and at cheaper expense (less colours on label!), in order to rush them to the shops where they'd be...ahem...flying off the shelves?!

The yellow ones therefore MAYBE were the initial run, looking like the rest of the releases on the label...and MAYBE used for radio DJs, having a more eye-catching label (albeit not stating DJ copy!). Come to think of it aren't the Johnny Hendley's one sided with a blank white labelled flip?

MAYBE this is the same scenario for the Servicemen on Patheway, as in the 'caveman design' vs. plain orange ones?

Hmmm.

MAYBE the orange ones were a follow-up press made in haste and at cheaper expense (less colours on label!), in order to rush them to the shops where they'd be...ahem...flying off the shelves?!

The yellow ones therefore MAYBE were the initial run, looking like the rest of the releases on the label...and MAYBE used for radio DJs, having a more eye-catching label (albeit not stating DJ copy!). Come to think of it aren't the Johnny Hendley's one sided with a blank white labelled flip?

MAYBE this is the same scenario for the Servicemen on Patheway, as in the 'caveman design' vs. plain orange ones?

Hmmm.

Same label owners presumably weren't they? And a similar model was used for the Servicemen on Patheway as you say. There's also a tie-in with the Inspirations as well which was on a single-sided boring-looking Breakthrough label and later got booted on a better designed purple Breakthrough label credited to Charles Diamond & The Inspirations - Charles Diamond being the lead singer of the Sunlovers I think..........

It could be the other way around too. Maybe the early labels were the boring ones just going to radio stations and the snazzier labels were for the shops. I say this 'cos the Cal Green record came in a pic sleeve so they must have been thinking retail at some point.....

Ian D

Has anyone got a scan of the yellow label? I prefer the yellow label copies 'cos the design's much more interesting.........I always thought this was an interesting label.

Ian D :smile:

Here you go Ian

Dave f...........

Also this is a classic case of a record which was bootlegged before anyone even knew it LOL. I think it's an amazing record which never had the chance to get played 'cos it was in the shops as a boot without even being played anywhere. Sheer stupidity and Simon's greed........

Ian D

Got agree Ian. First time I came across this was while flicking through Russ's stall at The casino(A sort of ritual, I never bought anything!). And there was this Eddie Parker & The Sunlovers, WTF was that all about. I listened to the boot, and did not know it. Probably a bit fast even by 1974 Wigan Standards.

Paul

Charles Diamond being the lead singer of the Sunlovers I think..........

No, that was Eddie Parker

p.s. doh, someone already said that

p.p.s. Charles Diamond's missus never mentioned anything about him being in The Sunlovers when I "found" them. But then again, I never asked her...

Edited May 10, 200817 yr by Pete S

Here you go Ian

Dave f...........

Now that is just sheer beauty. Irresistible.

Can you imagine finding this in a pile?

And then playing it?

This is a perfect example of a record being ruined 'cos it was bootlegged too quickly by a French-Morrocan congenital f*%kwit who ruined a potentially brilliant classic through greed.

Also it's an ultra-fast record and not a million miles away from the Magicians "Keep Your Hands Off My Baby".

The more I listen to some of the L.A./Frisco stuff, the better it gets. Where were they getting this FAST thing from? When you listen to the Mirwood stuff - "My Little Girl", "Cigarette Ashes", "The Same Old Thing" etc, etc, they were just off the scale in tempo. "The Joker", "Double Cooking", "I'll Let It Be You" etc, etc...the list goes on and on....fast and furious......

I thought the West Coast was meant to be laid-back LOL......

Ian D

Now that is just sheer beauty. Irresistible.

Can you imagine finding this in a pile?

And then playing it?

This is a perfect example of a record being ruined 'cos it was bootlegged too quickly by a French-Morrocan congenital f*%k wit who ruined a potentially brilliant classic through greed.

Also it's an ultra-fast record and not a million miles away from the Magicians "Keep Your Hands Off My Baby".

The more I listen to some of the L.A./Frisco stuff, the better it gets. Where were they getting this FAST thing from? When you listen to the Mirwood stuff - "My Little Girl", "Cigarette Ashes", "The Same Old Thing" etc, etc, they were just off the scale in tempo. "The Joker", "Double Cooking", "I'll Let It Be You" etc, etc...the list goes on and on....fast and furious......

I thought the West Coast was meant to be laid-back LOL......

Ian D

Tut tut . young Foggy ........

Just because Mr Saucepan could not see anything other than £ signs ........

In respect of Cal Green's JGTV , the copy he used to tote round was originally mine .......

I agree : there is / was something about the look of a yellow Mutt & Jeff 45 ........

Malc Burton

Now that is just sheer beauty. Irresistible.

Can you imagine finding this in a pile?

And then playing it?

This is a perfect example of a record being ruined 'cos it was bootlegged too quickly by a French-Morrocan congenital f*%kwit who ruined a potentially brilliant classic through greed.Also it's an ultra-fast record and not a million miles away from the Magicians "Keep Your Hands Off My Baby".

The more I listen to some of the L.A./Frisco stuff, the better it gets. Where were they getting this FAST thing from? When you listen to the Mirwood stuff - "My Little Girl", "Cigarette Ashes", "The Same Old Thing" etc, etc, they were just off the scale in tempo. "The Joker", "Double Cooking", "I'll Let It Be You" etc, etc...the list goes on and on....fast and furious......

I thought the West Coast was meant to be laid-back LOL......

Ian D

Good that everything has come full circle on bootlegs of records now having no relevence to the value of authentic originals.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

The more I listen to some of the L.A./Frisco stuff, the better it gets. Where were they getting this FAST thing from? When you listen to the Mirwood stuff - "My Little Girl", "Cigarette Ashes", "The Same Old Thing" etc, etc, they were just off the scale in tempo. "The Joker", "Double Cooking", "I'll Let It Be You" etc, etc...the list goes on and on....fast and furious......

I thought the West Coast was meant to be laid-back LOL......

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They must have had some good dancing amphet, and a scene around LA a little bit like the developing Northern Soul scene in the UK at that time.

Edited May 11, 200817 yr by Guest

The more I listen to some of the L.A./Frisco stuff, the better it gets. Where were they getting this FAST thing from? When you listen to the Mirwood stuff - "My Little Girl", "Cigarette Ashes", "The Same Old Thing" etc, etc, they were just off the scale in tempo. "The Joker", "Double Cooking", "I'll Let It Be You" etc, etc...the list goes on and on....fast and furious......

I thought the West Coast was meant to be laid-back LOL......

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They must have had some good dancing amphet, and a scene around LA a little bit like the developing Northern Soul scene in the UK at that time.

You'd have thought so wouldn't you? But I've never found any evidence to suggest that people in the U.S. were actually dancing that fast, especially in L.A.

I mean they'd have to be dancing Northern Soul stylee just to keep up with "You'll Never Make The Grade" and "My Little Girl" wouldn't they?

I just can't imagine any U.S. club playing the Sunlovers, the Mylestones, Bob & Earl, the Checkerboard Squares, the Magicians etc, etc yet the records were being pumped out and some of 'em like "Take Your Hands Off My Baby" for instance, were pressed in quantity so they must have sold a few.

So I really wonder whether there was ever was a proto Northern scene in the U.S. in the 60's? Does anyone know?

Ian D

You'd have thought so wouldn't you? But I've never found any evidence to suggest that people in the U.S. were actually dancing that fast, especially in L.A.

I mean they'd have to be dancing Northern Soul stylee just to keep up with "You'll Never Make The Grade" and "My Little Girl" wouldn't they?

I just can't imagine any U.S. club playing the Sunlovers, the Mylestones, Bob & Earl, the Checkerboard Squares, the Magicians etc, etc yet the records were being pumped out and some of 'em like "Take Your Hands Off My Baby" for instance, were pressed in quantity so they must have sold a few.

So I really wonder whether there was ever was a proto Northern scene in the U.S. in the 60's? Does anyone know?

Ian D

"Out On The Floor" - Dobie Gray - The lyrics to this song, and the production, are pure Northern Soul.

When I listen to this record I always think there must have been some sort dancing/R&B Soul scene in LA like the Twisted Wheel scene in Manchester.

Maybe it was only for Black folks? Maybe when the fashions changed it faded?

It did not develop like the UK counterpart, but they must have sold them records to someone. Imagine going into a club in 1966 L.A and everyone dancing to the latest Mirwood record called "That Beating Rhythm"!!