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Looking for the above on the Blue label if anyone has a copy please ? PM please Thanks Andy

Here are a few Northern bits for sale. Some rare some not so. UK grading: NM - basically unplayed, Ex - small signs of use, VG - used 45 with some surface marks & lines (no jumps, skips or deep scratches) Paypal as F&F please or add 4%. Post 4.00 recorded, 2.50 first, 5.00 std worldwide air. All 100% guaranteed, PM for questions or to order YT clips for reference only ATB Andy ++++++++++++++++ The Fiats - VG+ £100 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHs2z8fQg_k ( great detroit tune £200 on dealer lists) *** SOLD The Jaguars - VG £80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScKgyUQSJ88 ( raw pounding NS on dealers at £300 - sounds great in a big room) The Dynamics - Ex £75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEGznbiinlo ( Double sider WLP from Detroit) *** SOLD The Artistics - Ex+ £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HyNPpMKWgk (A side is classic 'Always love you' but this flip needs an outing) *** SOLD Ruby & Romantics Ex £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0AM4aixog0 ( nice mid tempo effort ) ++++++++++++ Andy

Thanks all confirmed it was a boot, but not one I’d seen before. Sent back to the seller. Cheers Andy

I’ll dig it out tomorrow chalks and post the details

Thanks Mick The Okeh 45 is the Outta Sight one, and the plain white label / blue print Neptune is the 70's boot. Reason for asking is that I picked up some 45's mainly originals via a friend of a friend. In there was The VV's on Neptune with SPFB/ROB but the text just didn't look right, but the rest of the label did. I was told there is a styrene and vinyl pressing and this is vinyl and maybe different pressing plants, but I'm still a bit unsure about it. Anyone got more info that would be appreciated. Thanks Andy

Has this been booted recently (last few years or so) on looky likey label ? I'm aware of the 70's boot on Neptune, but Discogs doesn't mention any recent boot Thanks Andy

Back in the early nineties I was approached by someone who was intending to start a new soul fanzine, with a request to write an article on record prices. This was prompted by a discussion we had and some observations I made. The fanzine never materialised and I long ago lost the article, but I do remember the gist of it. I thought writing a truncated version might be of interest and start some debate, but please keep it friendly and polite. As a collecting nerd I used to receive paper lists and catalogues from all of the main dealers, and some of the lesser known ones too. I saw them primarily as a source of reference to compensate for my lack of knowledge at the time. They were eagerly read and then filed away under each dealers name and so on, which made it easier to keep track, although my wife didn't share my enthusiasm for the task. She noted my loss of focus when the lawn needed a trim. Around the mid to late nineties, I had noticed that when comparing record catalogues from one particular dealer, record prices had suddenly increased significantly. A £5 record had become £10, a £20 record had become £40 and so on, but I couldn't really figure out the reasons behind it. The only conclusion I came to at the time was that the numbers returning to the scene had steadily been increasing and maybe there was increased demand for 45's. There is of course a more cynical explanation but lets not go there. This got me thinking as to who actually sets record prices ? At the time the online auction platforms were in their infancy and selling sites like Discogs yet to materialise. There were of course sources, mainly based in the US, that were advertised in the like of Goldmine, and you sent your money and got the paper list through the post. However, these mainly followed US price books, which in many respects was good for me. But if a UK dealer had a copy of a record how did they come to the asking price ? What were the factors they considered ? At the time I think (in my humble opinion) there were really three main criteria for pricing: 1. Rarity - enough time had passed from the beginnings of the soul scene to figure out what records were rare and which not, and this was reflected in the asking price. Obviously the rarities tended to be more in demand, so commanded higher prices, but we will look at 'demand' below. There were of course records that were around in quantity, which have subsequently disappeared and are now considered rare. To me this is confusing rarity with availability. A record could be sitting in hundreds of collections and not be 'available', this doesn't make it rare. 2. Condition - it has always been the case that records in mint condition fetched high prices than the same 45 in VG or G condition, and I once saw in Goldmine their estimate of price reduction percentage against the mint price for lesser grades. US price guides often gave similar information. However, the soul scene has not always taken grading Vs price information into consideration when selling or buying. Today, some rare records in very poor condition are selling at near mint prices or even above. 3. Demand - this criteria somewhat muddies the waters in terms of rarity and condition. Some collectors and DJ's were, and still are, extremely keen to have the latest big tune and are prepared to pay to get it, even if its not in the best condition. Here the general rarity and condition based rules tend to get ignored. Prices of once cheap records quickly become inflated, even though they may not be rare in the true sense, or in the best condition. This situation remained the same for many years, and still does continue today, but following the growth of the internet, auction sites, selling platforms, websites and so on, we have seen further factors influence the price today. In my opinion, there are three more categories that have come into play today: 4. Globalisation - there is no doubt that the growth of the internet has been one of the key factors in terms of supply, demand and pricing. Sellers and buyers have gained access to new sources and markets, and this has increased the competition for the vinyl. Increased competition usually equates to increased prices as there are finite quantities of the original vinyl copies. Since the inception of Ebay many US dealers have taken up the opportunity to gain a wider audience and probably a higher price for their wares. In many ways this is positive as collectors get to bid for the record straight from the source, and the price is out there for everyone to see. 5. Different scenes - the audience for all types of soul music is wide and varied, with multiple scenes worldwide. Traditional Northern, crossover, modern, sweet, group, deep, boogie and so on have their own following, and the relative price is often different. For example a standard northern tune may have an in demand group flip, so this will affect the selling price. What may be a £50 record to most, could be a £500 record on other scenes. I think we've all sat watching an item on Ebay go crazy and scratched out heads as to why. 6. Price books - there is no doubt that these have had an influence, not necessarily positive, particularly on buyers. Savvy sellers in the US were quick to latch on to the early books and many of them tell me it was an eye opener. However, UK dealers were also affected on US buying trips, where many years ago one of them I spoke to was furious that his regular US suppliers, who he had been visiting for years, had suddenly either increased their price significantly or decided to sell elsewhere. These are just my musings, and I'm sure there are other factors which some of you may have come across or feel that they are an influence. I'm sure we've all had our share of head scratching and soul searching, no pun intended, thinking how did that record sell at that price ? Feel free to discuss - politely. ATB Andy

Hi Here we have some classic modern groovers, with a couple of nice ones for your delectation. All come from old store stock and most are unplayed NM, with a couple that may be used at E+. Remember NO $20 Post ! NO 20% VAT ! PayPal payment as F&F or add 4% please. Post 2.00 first, 3.50 recorded and 5.00 world wide air standard YT clips are for reference only All sales 100% guaranteed. Please PM with questions and to order ATB Andy +++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Morgana King £50 ( Unusual sound and getting spins by top names on the internet - lovely builder) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGcLhZ3XOmQ 2. Peabo Bryson £20 ( now in demand due to lock down spins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFLQsH4z3Nc 3. William DeVaughan (1) £15 ( absolute classic tune floating gem) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvtlt-p7vB4 4. William Devaughan (2) £8 ( same again classic stuff always a floor filler ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdniut7hXZI 5. Sidney Joe Qualls £15 ( just no words required - listen to the clip all the way) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31JvHe-AbRA 6. Scandal featuring Lee genesis £20 ( big buzz on the modern forums - this is the 7" and 2 minutes shorter than the clip (12") NO long guitar break) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNihSqzkJJw 7. Robert Taylor & Current Stock £40 (copies dried up with dealers asking double this) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_De5UGxLg 8. Philip Mitchell £15 ( top artist with a top tune) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFim_e7_7Q

Hi If anyone has a copy for sale on General please let me know. Thanks Andy

Some bargain's for a sunny Sunday...some old store stock most NM some Ex. Post is 2.00 first, 3.50 recorded, 5.00 worldwide standard air. Paypal payment please as F&F or add 5% YT clips for reference only PM questions / orders Cheers Andy ++++++++++ 1. GQ - Make my dreams a reality / do love you - Arista Ex £ 10 ( all time classic - 1 copy with promo sticker and 1 without - flip lowrider tune ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8w7qOS2n4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOKq1VmEbtc 2. Carl Carlton - Two timer / drop by my place - Back Beat Ex+ £ 15 ( a great 'twofer' and both underrated take your pick) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDkM4Mxi304 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zkRiff3N18 3. Tyrone Barclay - Man if value - Midsong WLP Reissue £ 5 (classic but a reissue) 4. Crown Heights affair - Love me - De-Lite Ex+ £10 ( Dancefloor killer and what a vocal ! ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7umbmBQA0mI 5. Classic Sullivans - Paint yourself in a corner - Kwanza Ex+ £ 5 (Radio station stamp smudge on label, vinyl NM ) 6. Sun - Dance do what you wanna - Capitol £ 10 (US copies go for 50+ as most have a pressing fault - UK is the only way to own) 7. Brief Encounter - I'm so satisfied / Dont let the tell you - SS NM £ 10 ( another twofer - store stock slight dish NAP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWWJG_JtrTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLR6SCSqPD0 8. Michael Burton - Love on a two way street / She's my woman - Turbo Ex+ £8 ( twofer with xover topside version of The Moments track and mid tempo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Btuv7gevQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMKQicZzBK8 9. Sheppards - Your love has a whole in it / I'm not wanted - Bunky NM £15 ( lovely ignored crossover with lowrider killer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfGfQlA3zk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa7KKhtcN8I

Got to admit I read the whole thread without first playing the sound file.....doh ! Having played it, and expecting it to be pants from the comments, its actually not a bad version. But having said that I do like records with sparse backing and almost an amateurish feel to them. Leon still in front with The Clock Stoppers trailing close behind.

From memory it was a kind of a tribute to Graham Dee who was a musician turned producer and worked with many bands of the time, some famous ones included. Very well respected in the industry apparently. They were tracks he worked on which were left in the can as it were. Plenty on YT about him https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoo7TRWqqEWw6tQXE9aYOWQ/videos

Yes, came out on an EP in around 2012 I think. I have a spare, so PM if you need it Andy

Nice rant Trev I used to trawl the 'crap' boxes that some dealers used to have way back (25 years ago+), where they put all the slow stuff (deep, sweet, group) that they thought couldn't or wouldn't sell. I could pick some of it up for as little as 50p. After collecting lots of this stuff, I got to know via ebay some collectors stateside and started to sell or trade this stuff back to them, for northern / crossover stuff. There were tons of records they didn't know, but they were after a certain sound at the time. Some of the stuff being bandied around now as low rider does not match what they were looking for at that time, but I noticed like the UK soul scene tastes change, the desire for new sounds and exclusivity seems to have broadened the scope of their collecting. ATB Andy

Sent you a PM

Hi All Today we have a modern tune that is always in demand, and is yet again getting attention, but from a much wider audience this time. The original tune was released in 83 and due to the popularity it was officially reissued by the artist himself in the late 80's. With the original now heading towards a couple of hundred, here is the 80's official reissue (smaller logo and silver colour with opaque brown vinyl - it looks black until you hold it to the light). There was another unofficial (?) reissue which popped up in 2011 but is poor sound quality so avoid that one. William Bostic - What you do to me - SOH M- £30 (official 1980's reissue) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR-dOZRhdsU Post is 2.00 first, 3.50 recorded, 5.00 worldwide Paypal as F&F please or add 5% PM for questions or to order. ATB Andy

Hi All Here are some cost effective tunes from old stock from a long closed record shop. Most are unplayed but where there are any signs of use I'll state that and give a grade. I use UK grades NM, Ex and VG and +/- to refine. No $20 postage and no 20% VAT !!! Payment is Paypal F&F please, or add 4% if that is preferred. Postage is £2.00 UK First, £3.5 Recorded and £5.00 worldwide. YT clips are for reference, all sales 100% guaranteed PM questions or to order. Cheers Andy ++++++++++++++++++ 1. We know her from her Motown days and some great early recordings but she went on to record for the likes of ATCO, Arista. 20th Cent and here we have a lovely lilting crossover tune for Reprise in original cover. Mary Wells - If you cant give her love - Reprise £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeRagy2c-g0 2. The title is a classic and very expensive modern stepper, but the WDJ is a mispress playing the issue copy side "Trademark". The good news is that you still get a lovely tune and don't have to re-mortgage your house buy it. Crystal Clear - Trademark - Polydor WDJ £30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKAdzhF0nZ0 3. A unique voice with a couple of high priced Northern outings against her name, but she's here with her take on the Eddie Floyd tune. Even the wife likes this one !! Esther Phillips - I never found me a man - Kudu £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGVIV6VxQE 4. The artist needs no introduction from me - a legend. Known on this label for his jaunty "Old People" tune, this is more of a gravelly voiced low down stepper which grows on you. Archie Bell & Drells - Strategy - PIR £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNOxU_ThMAQ 5. After the break up of The Brighter Side of Darkness, two band members went on to create The Imaginations and record 3 outings for 20Th Century. This is a lovely uptempo xover tune with smooth vocals and a catchy rhythm. Ex+ condition on this one. The Imaginations - Searching - 20th Cent £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJyTdUklW2s 6. Here are the imaginations again with another catchy xover tune. Ex copy The Imaginations - Sweet Mona - 20th Cent £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxRma2ytTNE 7. Now here's a bargain for you. Tim Brown listed this at £100 and said it was a rare tune and a cracking laid back version of Pat Lundy on Vigor. Rhinestones - Party Music - 20th Cent £30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T-TgULgAVs 8. Here an old spin for Soul Sam and a lovely soulful stepper that seems to capture the mood of the Sunday chillout today and also gained lock down spins Hot Bush - Tell me you will - APA £5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyi_EZ7vMOY 9. The queen of soul does crossover. Here's Aretha with a lovely uptempo number and a real grower. Aretha Franklin - April Fools - Atlantic £5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OAMQWAUCaM 10. The great Bill 'Bunky' Sheppard strikes with his own group on this overlooked crossover gem which deserves to be played. A cracking low rider on the flip for good measure. Last Copy The Sheppards - Your Love ( has a hole in it) - Bunky £20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-9Gpc4PAkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCR8RVzk2NY - Low Rider tune 11. A modern soul classic, but one which has some surface marks which cause 4 ticks in the first 5 seconds of play and then its perfect after that with perfect label etc. So a bargain for someone Alicia Myers - I wanna than you - MCA VG (only because of the ticks) £5 (might throw this in if anyone buys something else ! ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9wGnnwBc9M 12. An absolute dancefloor killer and remake of Bread's I wanna make it with you, from probably my favourite band of all time, the Whispers. Have a listen and then dance round the kitchen The Whispers - I wanna make it with you - Soul Train M- £15 (black promo copy same both sides - one side very small label tear but not really noticeable) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdyvOHkD14k _______________ ATB Andy

Hi All Managed to get another copy old store stock copy of this quality modern groover. Chatting with a well known DJ he mentioned this in dispatches as a potential spin for him, and I picked up a spare. As always NO $16 post or 20% VAT !! Scandal Featuring Lee Genesis - Love either grows or goes - SAM - NM £20 (7" copy) YT clip is the 12" version but the 7" is over 2 minutes shorter with NO long instrumental break. All music no filler. Post is 2.00 first, 3.50 recorded and 5.00 world air standard Payapal as F&F please or add 4% if you wish to go this route. PM for questions or to order. ATB Andy

Note really into instrumentals, but just as an aside my favourite track from Pressure is this... Andy

Hi all Just the one I found whilst digging this morning. It appeared on the Eccentric Soul album from Numero released on 2009 or so. Its in VG condition overall, labels clean no rips, possible autograph from one of the Smart's, vinyl has a lot of surface hair lines and a couple of minor scuffs. It plays well above grade, with only the very very slightest noise which is covered by the music. Copies in similar or worse condition have sold recently on Ebay at 50-70 in this condition. Smart Brothers with Baby Neal - I've got a funny feeling - Lee Mac VG £25. (flip is a nice deep soul track) YT clip for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7VU5TvWHBc I use NM, Ex, VG with +/- to refine. Post 2.00 first, 3.50 recorded. Paypal as F&F please PM questions or to order Cheers Andy

You can buy those "reissues" on a dealer site for 20-30 quid along with a host of other looky-likey boots, so it puzzles me why someone should pay any more than that, assume buying boots is OK with the person purchasing. For me this bootlegging is the darker side of the scene, but while ever people are willing to buy, then there will be those who are willing to supply sadly.

RELISTED DUE TO NON-PAYMENT & REDUCED PRICE Hi all Today up for sale is a tune that is rare and in demand for the low rider scene and is currently one of the 'grails'. On a real obscure label out of NOLA it is currently getting serious interest and a growing following with the price on Ebay for the last copy at £458 just a couple of months ago. The Young Dreamers - Girl where have you been - Hippo NM £350 YT link for ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjLqUtBGBM Post is 2.00 first, 3.50 recorded, 9.00 special and worldwide 5.00 standard air, fully tracked and insured at actual cost TBA. Paypal as F&F please or add 4% if this is the method chosen. PM for questions and to order Cheers Andy

The Dv is a 150 bag I think

here https://www.juno.co.uk/products/magma-45-record-bag-100-7-vinyl/876169-01/ https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Magma-45-Record-Bag-150-camo-green-red/art-DJE0006627-000 Andy

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