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Well, there is a link between Sandy Golden and Ray Agee. If you're deaf you can hear similiarities in the backing and the vocals.

Is there any difference in availability between the issue and the different demos? I bought a purple vinyl demo from Soul Bowl in the 90s and I remember he had a waste range of differently coloured demos for sale, e.g. blue/purple/black vinyl and probably some other fancy colours as well.

Pete, you basically sum up in a much funnier way what I tried to say . But that's ok. I'm german, we're not supposed to be funny.

Ian D's posts are pretty "ceterum censeo". Now matter how often you say it's a bootleg, it's still doesn't make it a fact. Sweets on Soultown is produced by Nate Fortier/Tim Lawson. SG is credited to Nate Fortier/Tim Lawson/Tony Benton. My guess is that in the early 70s Tony Benton and/or Sandy Golden got hold of the Sweets backing tape legally, recorded/overdubbed vocals, added new instruments/synths/accordions/ovomaltines/whatever. Then they went to a pressing plant to get the record pressed. Incidently it's the same pressing plant that SS was using at that time for his bootlegs. Pressing plant offers label designs for their customers (as did many other plants) if they don't supply their own designs. Usually these pressing plant label designs were pretty generic, e.g. using the same limited range of fonts. That's why so many different record labels look similar. Eventually record got pressed, probably very limited run maybe 250/500 pieces. For whatever reason record was never properly distributed. Maybe they intended to sell it at gigs but failed? I don't know and I don't really need to know. It's a pretty rare record and not the first rarity to turn up in unplayed condition, even after 40+ years. Re. the theory that SS himself recorded/pressed the record. That's bullshit. Record way to slow for the UK scene at that time. And if he had done it to show the world what a good producer he is, he would have put his name on it.

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But I do. Wasn't there tho.

Even though I'm obviously too daft to distinguish real strings from synth strings it's the same singer, just overdubbing.

Maybe I'll have to have a closer listen to it. But to me these 'strings' sound like actual strings to me.

Can somebody please enlighten me. I don't hear any synths on SG? Just the Sweets backing track beefed up by added instruments. And overdubbed vocals of course.

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Many pressing plants offered rather generic label designs if customers didn't have their own. I guess that's the reason why many of the early SS boots look rather amateur-ish.

IMO many mix up proper instrumentals and instrumentals that are just backing tracks of well known Northern Soul records. I really like the proper ones whereas the latter ones don't do it for me most of the time. Don't know if this was already posted but it's one of my top favourite proper instrumentals. They hardly can get better than this one. Chaumonts - Now you've gone.

There's also a LP only Version with an extra verse. Some" Best of" compilation.

credible yes. soulful? not really. As good as it is, eventually it's just an alternative blue-eyed version of a fantastic song* * I know FW is played to death and any dj/punter playing/dancing to it is guilty of necrophilia.

Thanks!

Neither do I. Not saying it's not possible but the vocals are different. And the backing on the acetate sure doesn't sound like a Shrine production. @Marc: Any evidence it's the same group?

If the TP really came from the ARP plant I guess it has a ARP stamp in the run out.

Dave, Johnny Watson = yes, some tried to pass it off as a 60s press. Four Voices gold always been advertised as represses from the same stamper (AFAIK). It's not the first time the alt take of Professionals is reissued. So I don't think it will kill the track now. Or do you guys think it's different this time because it's on a lookalike?

Curtis Lee sold. Hoagy Lands reduced. Have yourself a nice collectable! Apparently both sides not available anywhere else.

John, thanks for confirming an original acetate does exist. What's on the flip?

Can't find the album. Means I probably sold it What a c*nt I am. I still have so much dross from my soulful dance days and it looks like I sold the goodies.

Evidence? Because that would be like a personal dream coming true.