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The Josie 45 and the Festival 45 are so good (A+B sides) it's not pointless to read at one time (or someday) the true story behind the group and the guys who were involved behind them. Even though it's impossible not to talk about the discography, it is actually so easy to live without all their other releases.

Matrixes and grooves are a total match for the pair. So, nothing there to provide clues.

Agreed !

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We are a selectors scene (far of being the only one BTW) when DJ and I'm very proud to have only one turntable home. So I can switch from one sound to another without having to wonder about what to put on next that can be mix in a transition to follow. It's fun to watch and hear for a while those crazy scratchers and mixers, so is snooker I guess. Only I'm in the music for the music and when I buy a 7" or rarely a 12" I can totally freely buy with saving me all the trouble of wondering if it's mixable or not... I know a lot of people who are sometimes buying/trading with me wondering "can I mix that and with what and how... ?". Sometimes even to hear "it's a shame cos I like it but it's un-mixable". WTF ?! Good Lord I'm sparing myself those bother and fully enjoy the sound coming out of my speakers. And by the way, I totally dissed out of my home those MK 1200-10 some 15 years ago and got me an old Thorens TDS 160 belt drive turntable. And what a sound improvement. I gained much more depth in sound. Those MK 1200 are maybe bare-able on a loud sound system but those direct drive turntable really do flatten the sound spectrum to dullness. Compare if you get the chance to. But those direct drive Start/Stop are just convenient to DJ with. True. Good luck with your evangelization Sir Alias.

Bless be the man that blessed us with his voice +

Don't know where this is going, (new posts in betweens before i go t bed) but (and but is not an excuse) this is pointless to oppose the "scratchers", "mixers" and "IN-novators" to "the selectors" as such. Being from the last bunch and I won't change, I am fascinated and enjoying such a show only a little less by discovering or hearing well a loved TUNE in a spot. Call it whatever, but I'm for the music first and beyond sound & effect there should be music (tunes) and what makes music is a tune for me. That's an IMHO but I sing, dream and live with music. And I choose my tunes. Too many DJ's are listening to music as a 'is it something I can place (use) in a set or not'. Music should, don't take my word for grudge full or anything like that, be free. It's more than materialistic. I dig other peoples stuffs and I've got my own. Indeed great DJ Cheese spot !

Hand-cuffed scratcher DJ ! Indeed I can't wait to see any "young" (cos they have to be) Northern soul" DJ's do their action scratching...

OK I didn't want to be "harsh" to anyone if ever I did, but between those qualifications for those defined sounds from Jamaica (1959 (!?) to 1969+) once called Ska, Rock Steady and Reggae (if the spelling can be right) to put it under a UK label name like Blue Beat, is just too short for me. Like Pete Smith pointed out, the year it was made calls it first even though you have all the musical transitions growing in betweens accordingly. Ska nowadays can be anything (even if I think it isn't) by nowadays standard (2-Tone is still proper) and reggae, well this has been all over the place (everybody likes reggae) so now you can hear some say it's a rock steady nite to part safe with the rest of it to point out that it's (should be) the "real" good stuff. I'm not British and the term "blue beat" calls the mod scene and what followed a little too much for me. I love music, not so much of scenes. Or more and more music and less and less scenes... Plead; guilty as charged. Peace.

Not going against that generic thing, I said it before it became a popular term, only "blue beat" is not a music style, or is it ? If the beat was blue, maybe I'm color blind. Just a label that dished the best and the worst (Azie Lawrence...) of what the would issue in the UK and not a genre of music as such. Or you would go Island, R'n'B, Ska Beat... What ? And exactly, why "Blue Beat" as a genre ? Everything Prince Buster-wise ? Don't think so. Chris Blackwell, a crook, most likely. Ska beat a sound ? I don't think so. Ask Georgie Fame E. P. ? Or the dreadful Ember "Flamingoes" E. P. series ? blue beat a great label outings though. Just like all those UK labels, there then and after. Only, not a genre of music; A LABEL that's all !

Dead but some guys were still there, into it and a new generation was getting into it. I could imagine a transitional gap between the after and the before... Maybe, I wasn't there or have never been told by anyone who was. And even listening like reading always requires caution and prudence about "the truth".

Not books, and I never was a mod am proud to say. I had mod friends though. Only with the years and the time I've spent collecting with my pennies before any of those 45 bared 2 figures price tags and by trying to understand it way before the net, books about it and other sources. Blue Beat was a label in London and not a sound as such since they mainly issued Jamaican prod. and even had a deal with P. Buster. But the "Blue Beat" craze (1964) was just a cash-in phenomenom that stayed "glued" to it even in popular circles and so used to define that sort of Jamaican influenced even if not IT until the early 7T's it seems. Maybe I'm not accurate enough, but all the titles baring 'blue beat' in their song title or lyrics are all crappy British productions as far as I've heard.

I believe the clubs still played some ska standards of their own next to the rock steady newies and imports if they had some.

That is why; & Blue Beat was common amongst the white folks (mods & skinheads) but "ska" was the "root" terminology ! Island's compilation Club Ska 67 was a success and in the UK it was the main competitor to the Blue Beat label.

I don't have the Kent CD "Kris records ...Los Angeles' Showcase of Soul", so I don't know if the booklet would enlighten my question with a discography of the label or other leads. I've been told to believe that the purple was a first issue. Is it something established ? I've been trying to dig out on the net images of other releases on Space records to compare the label details and numbering but to no avail. I'd go along with this theory only because of the silver imprints and the fact that the Determinations is prior to the Hill Sisters and it doesn't mention the "a Kris record production" as does the purple Hill Sisters. Unlike the yellow one. Somebody knows something about this ?

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with respect to the man

Hi Mal yo mean this one; it looks cute indeed. But nothing in your post show it's an alternate mix/take... While the Eddie Ray on Prix had two different mix/take I was told. So that's where I got the (maybe wrong) idea it was a Prix confusion. Cheers Tim

That's the Eddie Ray also on a yellow Prix record. Two different mixes/takes. One label with address the other without I kinda recall.

I did doubt it.

Ahah ! Thanks for those infos. It does make sense that they are different groups since I couldn't really put together the voice and the way of singing between the Enchanted Five 'try a little love'/'have you ever' & 'darling I need you now' but I could have almost put together the Topics 'please take this heart of mine' with the Enchanted Five 'your love grows stronger than ever' imagining another way of singing. They could have few members change before changing the name... Being different groups, contemporaries under the same direction/imprint as Bruce Clarke, they are "sounding alike" even though vocally quiet different. It did seem that the H-D was later 1972 sounds right and 1969-1970 for the CVS and Brothers III a more accurate dating. Got the picture now.

I have the Topics on Heavy Duty for such a long time now it seems like about for ever. I always had strong preference for the 'all good things must end' side. Later I picked up both Enchanted Five on CVS without too much intrest in them back then. Listening to them again after a while I had an itch in my ear with the Enchanted Five side 'try a little love'. I couldn't place it but I knew that song from somewhere but where ? Not found of the Topics 'try a little love' the first time around, I didn't made the connection between those two records right away. But when I compared the credits and saw that only the producers and publishing houses were more numerous on the Topics H-D one, I realized there was a connection. Did wonder some about it but then lost sight of it until 'a want' on SS for a copy of the Topics 'all good things must end' on Brothers III was posted. That I didn't know existed. Search and found a scan of it and it did match the pressing plant of the Enchanted Five on CVS. So I wondered some more again. Now my question is; am I right considering this order of issues 1. Enchanted Five on CVS 2. Topics on Brothers III 3. Topics on H-D. Or instead of being picked up for bigger distribution and promotion did the H-D (out of NY) actually came out first (read that theory on 'allmusic.com') and then the Brothers III (out of NJ) and finally the Enchanted Five on CVS (also out of NJ). The second option doesn't make much sense to me, but... Someone out there (maybe with the sleeve notes from the P-Vine LP or who bought those first hand in the early 7T's) knows better ?

That's it. Strange but true. It got other world wide releases in 1965 but only promos in the US. Those smaller '45' are 7T's reissue through Epic. Never is it a 1965 release. Or is the rarest original Okeh issue yet to be find ?

How strange; how words we use can create emulation and beat the bush out of all it's content in the end. I originally (mis)read the topic title as "young"="new" BLOOD. But then others read it as "young" as opposed to "old". This IMHO is sterile. We were all young once and are bound to be old one day. I always knew about young idiots and old bastards. Not forgetting those middle age stupid people. Now why are they not being target at here ? They are the "baby boom" generation ! Once a young and absolute beginner, I did listen to and look up to my elder relatives to live and learn with humility and critic. And so I always understood that the mix of peopleS made the sceneS livable and entertaining rather than suffocating and boring. Wether by age, gender, shape and color. Even if it's more about the fashion, for others about the sport (dance) and for quiet some it's to do with the music. And still for too many (even if few) it's just an ego trip. So here we go; there will always be room to supply haemoglobin to those who would not be ego-satisfied by enjoying and criticizing constructively the world around them. Those who can only exist by dissing others are that kind; perverted and/or frustrated narcissists. In the small world of the scene called northern soul they can either be collectors, dancers, deejays, contenders, or punters. Now on the subject of "new" blood behind the desks, I agree that there should be room for them at any events actually. If they are capable to "fit-in" at the same time. They don't have to please the hardliner collector who only want to hear new sounds (to them that is) or the dancers that will only dance at white powder speed or the hipsters who will only dig the new euro-IN sounds commending big tickets. No one can please everybody at once. But playing OVO is the only way yo can be creative with what you have at home and about. Do we need those pre-fab à la "Carnaby street" northern soul outfit, record collections and artifacts ? I can go to an R'n'B club and dig those 5T's & early 6T's sounds. But I don't want to hear those so called "new breed" or pop-corn sound at a proper northern soul nite. Nor hear northern at a modern do. Even if I can go anywhere. We are pleased to be surprized while we need to know what we are getting into at the same time. If I go to a venue that says 'ska, soul, groove, R'n'B & pop-corn' I will attend knowingly and won't complain about the mix of the genres. If you go to your Fish & Chips stall and expect caviar, you might find that your frustration is only yours rather than anyone's bother. Get your own caviar stall then. We all did stuffs like that when we were young I thought ? I read often down here about local clubs and youth clubs. They maybe are not as glowing to a teenager eye but they can be a good place to practice...

Baby Washington all the way through. Not Timi ! Sorry for her dosh or not dosh.