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His best tune on the soul side IMHO !

Not "earlier" as in first press necessarily, but the white promo where from the same pressing plant as the black ones in this case while the blue where from another. And we acknowledge that promos where in most cases the first ones being pressed... the black ones are less common than the blue ones for sure. Value ? Same ?

the Anderson Brothers – I can see him loving you Ray Lewis – too sweet to be lonely George Wilson – here stands the man who needs you the Sharpees – go on and laugh the Jackson Brothers –I’ve got to hear it from you Larry Atkins – ain‘t that love enough Bobby Jones – lovin’ hard livin’ good Guitar Red – share your love the Symbolics – I’m gonna get you back Arnold Blair – finally made it home Bettye Lavette - stormy

A truly soulful singer

Two different pressing plant: the vinyl is an ARP (Michigan) pressing plant if I remember correctly and a styrene pressing (plant ?). Only that. vinyl & styrene

Sorry man, not anymore.

Hi Dave, just for the info there's two releases; the first local purple label then picked-up for wider distribution through Kris records on a beautiful yellow label. I never keep doubles and it was a dilemma as to which one to keep as I found the yellow sexier to the eye but the purple sitting better next to the Determinations...

Oh ! OK, sorry and thanks for correcting that.

They are the same take on "breaking point" on the Jumlar and the red Lundy (been told blue is a later re-recording) but indeed the mastering might change the sound. I don't have the 3 copies so I can't help you much there but there's a clip on youtube with the red Lundy if the guy has lift it from that very record. It's seems to be a tad less muffled than the Julmar one with the voice clearer and the guitar sharper but then with less bass presence (drums, horns...). The Julmar vinyl quality (like many small NY pressings) is poor like thick'n'bubbly hiSHHHHing ! all the way through kinda sound and "spits" a lot even when mint. Here's my home made soundclip taken from the Julmar copy: brad lundy.mp3

FANTASTIC RECORD originally hailed from NY I'd believe and very likely from 1969 that totally steals without any acknowledgement (compare all credits !!!) Deena Johnson's 1965 original version. The Julmar pressings I'd believe was Brad's first as it sounds as a Big City Sound and would then have been pressed there first. Hence the Julmar co-production ! Or less likely second if we could imagine the red Lundy label to have been a "novelty" record order produced in NY with Brad's big money and Kenny Ballard's arranger services to be pressed in the Bahamas in small numbers... then picked up by a NY label with better promotional capacities... It could be but mmh... So I'd say that both Lundy pressings where most likely later presses made in the Bahamas where Brad apparently moved and took the tapes with him. It's very hard to know exactly the what, when and the whole who's who story on the record here, but when even the copyrights changes on the 3 Brad Lundy releases... a problem into the copyright ownership and the sudden credential involvement of Kenny Ballard on the Lundy presses leads us to understand that some people might have felt left out and decided to try and cash back on it on their own... a record with bigger success potential than it had it's share off for sure...

Thanks for all of that. So indeed, the Vows was not 'A' group but rather a "formation" of which people walked in and out. The Vows served one purpose, to lay-out songs model for "in-wall" elaborations. That rather than showing their crafts to the general public.

Very first white promo styrene, then yellow stock styrene, then burgundy styrene and vinyl with bold credits on dark yellow glossy label. Rest are re-issues or bootlegs...

Indeed the lined pressing doesn't suffer those common issues as on the other one. Correction

Thanks for that ! Interesting quote.

The man I was expecting here. Thanks Robb. I do love 'tell me' though. But what puzzles me is the brainwork put on it from an executive at Motown to name what is most likely two different group recorded 4 years appart when music growth pace was faster than ever before... As to why I began that quest; a storytelling would have been interesting as it would then have brought some light as to why, what and who were in those studio sessions.

Does anyone know the "hidden" story about this odd from the odd Motown release ? The initial 'A' side 'buttered pop-corn' (Supremes also release that) sounds rather like an old à la Contours recording. It first got release as a single sided promotional copy in 1965 !? Why that and then ? Then the "commercial" edition got filled-in with 'tell me'. A loose tape ? With Morris Chestnut on lead vocal that at least sounds like it could be recorded in 1965 ! Almost all stocker copies seems to have sold poorly since most copies we encounter have drilled holes and those without often have a stamp to show the "pushing" side the 'tell me' as they were used for promotion purpose. Fantastic tune 'tell me' IMHO but the Vows, a band ? Really ?!

Dave, if you refer to the Popsike one with "SYDNEY" writing on, it's the same pressing as the vinyl one here above. Most of those vinyl copies have big WOL like name and or sticker on...

Odd indeed. The label is clearly a copy of the styrene one. Blurry it makes me think of these old Ric-Tic bootlegs made in the 7T's. I can't quite make up if it's an old bootleg made for the beach scene or something else really. I've dug out my styrene now to see the if the matrix match or not. My run-out groove is smaller/narrower and the handwriting is different...

This is a styrene copy pressed at Monarch of which I'd love to see a demo of if anybody has one or seen one ?

There's quiet a few...

Here I agree with you ! If there is, I have never seen it !

I use to kinda collect them Shangri-Las when I was a teen and remember having seen a few Red Bird records back then that were OVO vinyl. And just go on and check the site 45cat.com to have a few already... I rest this case.

In the USA most of Red Bird biggest sellers had issues in different pressing plants and some on vinyl as well, so not only that 'come back baby' by Roddie Joy.

That is no styrene ! And yes, just another boot/reissue whatever...

As per SS 'sales' policy could you please leave the price on 'sold' items for viewers reference ? Cheers, Tim