Steve G

Hi Russ, I think you are picking the wrong fight here. The principles you put forward are those in play on the rare soul scene and long may they continue there. Boots, CDs, IPads don't feature - end of. They have NOT been the principles on the modern scene since the mid 1980s (Rock City etc.), and are NO LONGER the principles in very large parts of the northern scene (probably since the late 90s). The guy I think you are talking about does more to promote black music in this country each and every month than many of the billy bunters who put on northern nights, then happily play bootlegs of Wigan oldies. Isn't it those billy bunters who don't contribute that you should be targeting your anger at? (And before anyone jumps in I do know there are some oldies venues that stick to OVO). But before you do I can tell you now you are wasting your fingertips, the majority of the northern scene these days is about listening to well known records, finding out where to buy the best repro soul patches, and a social craic. The record collecting side of it is now very much a minority, and most of it is done on the internet anyway. Based on your views Russ I think you should stick to rare soul, that's where you'll find unchallenged principles of OVO. And if you want to go to a club night with a current DJ who is doing a one off oldies set based on his past reputation / discoveries, don't expect it to be on OV, cos it won't be. Steve

Colin "pretending" to be a DJ - now that IS one of the funniest things I have ever read here Steve.

Hi Benji Here's my playlist from the car on the way back from Cleethorpes Sunday: ....... ........ ........ ........ ........ ....... ... ........... ........ Harold Melvin & Bluenotes "The lolly I lost" Frederick Hymes III "Lyons ain't gonna do me no flavours" Ben & Jerry'O "Boogaloo" Wynder K Frog "Carte D'or" .... ... ... .......... ... ...... .......... ............. ... ....... .... ...... ....... ... .... . ..... . . .

Depends on whether you are crawling round the North Circular in 2nd gear, or haring up the M1 in top gear Stig ATB Steve :

Ok understand what you are saying Roburt, but you are being too judgmental there are some fantastic rare as hens teeth 60s records, slo don't deny yourself the experience in the name of Otis Redding et al man. `

Now then Russ you know that isn't true of me. If i think it's wrong `i'll say so. The scene you shout for is gone mate. It's all weekender anthems and Tobi Legend memories. Anything else is now a minority sport. ATB Steve

Roburt why would that be? Do you not like rare / northern soul?

The difference is Colin is not making a comeback on the northern / rare scene. He just does an odd revival gig, very different IMHO. He's not out to prove anything, he's a modern soul DJ. Vincent's had more comabacks than a boomerang

Yup but much of it ain't even on CD Pete. "Turntable terrorists" suits me

The whole debate is mindnumbingly boring...... Colin isn't on the rare soul scene, nor is he on the northern scene. He is a modern soul DJ where, dear friends, it doesn't matter whether you play a tune off of vinyl, CD, i-phone or memory stick. He was on the northern scene over 35 years ago now. What is he supposed to have done? Kept all his old records in a cupboard specially for the odd occasion like this? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Move along there is nothing to see here.

Dave your next mission is Fluorescent Smogg from Lousiana/ Alabama Some pictures of them would be nice...I do know that a telegraph pole concert poster featuring them exists too!

Wow! There's a rumour that a mutual friend may just have traded Cheatin Kind for one as well.... Back then they were just records.

Crikey! Interesting. Let's hope it's not going to be all 'anthems', and there is space for some interesting stuff to be played as well.....

John & Weirdest - folk were paying 700 bucks ++++ for the second issue - Reckon most would probably be embarrassed to fess up and quietly filed it away at the back of the box for 'request use' only. At first no one knew it had been repressed so some folk, thought they'd got the genuine article. In hindsight I am glad to say no one sold me their copy, so I missed out on original or 2nd issue, though it's a sure classic both sides. When I think of it I can only think of one example where someone has been honest enough to come on here, having spent serious amounts on a 45, to say they've been duped. That was with Robbie Lawson, where the dude re-pressed it and tried to palm it off and make some more money, until he was rumbled. In that case the fella knew as soon as he received the 45 it was a dud and tried to get his money back. Only when Lawson started being funny about it, did the thing blow up and become a international diplomatic incident on soul source with pages of debate. So yes Sebastian I do think people tend to keep quiet. Also threads like that tend to attract dumb posts about "record collectors with more sense than money" / "There's better records on Hi for a fiver" / "Thank goodness Robbie is able to reap some genuine reward for his artistic creativity" etc. etc. from the usual suspects and anti-collector types. Back to the lack of Forensics on Frederick Hymes, enough people on here claim to have copies of this and it's been a steady seller under the counter in certain establishments in Nevada for a long while now. It cannot be beyond the bounds of logistical simplicity to get the two types together and have a proper look. The orange ones surfaced in the UK first, so unless you are saying they re-pressed it before any demand had built up, then the orange is almost certainly the first press. When they were done - anyone's guess, apart from Mr Hymes.

Well I'll disagree with you there, it's actually a very good disco record. And it's a very catchy record too. But agree no real place on the rare soul scene. Perfect though for "Club soul" parties for the "Handbag and High Heels" set and "Civilian Friday evenings out".

Great stuff, he loks the same as in the video clip.....maybe that was from the 80s, we'll have to check the fashions...

The Rappers was one of the ones I was thinking of green / yellow label....Steve

I think you are not. It sounds like him and so does the guitarist. But then why would anyone post a YT clip of a dead man with a phone number for bookings unless it's a vampire thing they have going?

It's sensitive because no one has wittingly bought a reissue. Like the John & The Weirdest I suspect some of those who got the 2nd issue were horrified to find out, and have retro-dated them with a bit of buffing up and 'WOL' so they at least look more authentic when viewed by a turntable 'hawk'. Or am I just a total cynic? The trouble with what you say Seb, is the two copies looked different when held together at Cleethorpes. At the time we weren't doing a forensic study for the Soul Source bootleg and Reissue club members, so we didn't spend much time on it. We certainly didn't hold either copy up to UV lights, or take a micro-scratching off the surface of the vinyl to have it biked off and historically dated at John Manship towers, nor did we measure the run out groove with a laser. Having suspected it to have been reissued amid rumour and gossip, we just had a copy of the orangy one and the yellowy one and said something like "Oh, they are different after all, how odd" and then moved onto the next record. Sorry but that's it. If someone is coming to a venue where I am on, I'll bring an orangy copy along, and we can do a proper analysis....But until then, it's only going to be word and mouth.

Thank you for this detailed account Tony and I am not going to belabour the argument, since I wasn't there at the time.... Re reserves not met, hopefully a dose of realism creeping back in....

....And John & weirdest - which I believe came from the same area as FH I mean no one is now going to admit to having a see through copy of F Hymes are they? Really?

Don't start me on Harold Melvin "The love I lost". It was originally revived in the middle of a modern / 70s set some years ago when all the soulful house stuff was mingling with rare 70s (UBP, Joi Caldwell etc v Elipsis, Tolbert etc.), so early 2000s - purely because it sounded a bit different, wasn't miserable, seemed to fit in and yet was something everyone knew. And it rammed the floor at that venue...and got played a few more times as a "singalong / Karaoke" job. And that should have been it, put away for another ten years, and left to Radio 2 for the occasional play by Smashey & Nicey. But no, it's now heard at just about every darn soul night. Put it away fellas and lady DJs.....you all got more interesting records to play.

No Bob, totally different group....Leaders Rat Race was a record from Little Rock. Steve

Well maybe not to a soul night in Ramsbottom m8 wherever that is (Lancs?). The soul scene is much much broader than just Niters, as you well know Terry....

Yep the story was he died soon after making the record. But agree it does sound like our man, and also the guitar hold 2 mins and 10 in sounds kind of familiar....God I hope one of our heroes isn't reduced to making dodgy versions of "Shout" for semi hosed mid west white folk who can't dance :lol: