Chalky

Andy Dyson has a USA acetate, different take.

Counterfeit and bootleg are not the same. Counterfeit is done to deceive or defraud the buyer.

local and national are original, no argument there. CSP were done specially due to demand created by the scene were they not.

AL Williams is local and national release.

yes if memory serves

The cd was not a professional job, home made thing so may as well just buy the downloads.

Download and cd first, the 45s were a few years later if memory serves

Never realised that. Did it get any plays anywhere before Dean/Kitch? I don’t remember hearing it.

Bout 91/92,wasn’t a Stafford play.

Yes I know, there is a whole list of client numbers on the net.

I was reading on a forum somewhere earlier SO appears sometimes on the label but always in the runout. Conflicting accounts out there. The Nashville Matrix and the 5 is for the metal work not the pressing as far as I understand. The 5 is to identify the client who NM was working for. 10 would be for Motown direct

When did Chris confirm this because yesterday along with me asked Tim for run out details and he was going to check the disc. Still waiting as far as I am aware. Will be seeing Tim later this week. Don’t you think there should be some identification in tne TP as to where it was pressed, SO in the deadwax if it was Southern. The deadwax info that we know of only suggests the order at Nashville Matrix was through Southern, not that they pressed it. You are probably right that they did but there is no hard evidence yet.

There was one on that auction house sale, was advertised on here. Louvain Demps also sold a copy.

There is the possibility that Southern Plastics whilst having the order simply passed it on to RCA to master and press. If I don’t hear before I’ll be seeing Tim at the weekend and will ask for demo deadwax info.

Nasville matrix did the metal work, RCA the mastering and Southern Plastics it seems the pressing. The Nashville Matrix client code 5 is for Southern Plastics. Motown used ARP. Its been said by an engineer Gordy had a financial stake in them.

The import tax just about rules out the chance of buying a cheap Lp from the US, the postage alone is almost enough to take you over the limit. last time it happened to me I asked the bloke at t PO what te £8 was for and what had they done to justify the charge, he couldn’t tell meother than paid the tax which was probably a click of a button affair.

Test pressing is the same as the demo/issue though, it has gone through the process at the very least

I think it is a disgrace you have to include the postage as well. Won’t be long before there is a tax on everything you buy from abroad.

There are many records that are assumed one off copies which would put them taer than Frank Wilson. There are some Motown records rarer or just as rare. All hype that helps the big sell.

What was his reasoning, I can’t see his post on his page?

The demo hasn't got a RCA matrix have they? It isn't on the label. What is the exact matrix details of the demos?

yep.... https://www.discogs.com/label/495875-American-Record-Pressing-Co

Their account codes run into three figures so that gives us an idea of the amount of companies they mastered for.

If they are selling you'd think they would want as much publicity as possible?

Well documented Motown used various plants. Nashville matrix didn't press discs, they mastered the plates and left their mark. RCA pressed this one by the looks of it.