Chalky

One for sale on discos at £110 but it is only vg. I would have thought around £250 for minter although seen at more. One for sale on here a while back for $400.

I think you will find there is no anti modern snobbery with me, I love music right across the decades. If you visit my sites, mix cloud etc you will find I've done more than my fair share to share the music, especially what was heard in the 80's and early 90's, much of which is pretty much semi known and even unknown to many. I get asked questions all the time and do my best to answer or help, from all ages. I don't decry youth, I'd like to see more youngsters, they are the future if we are to have one. I've done more than enough with DJing and promoting to try and make a difference but it is constantly banging your head against a wall with the oldies brigade, both young and old. Spot on Dave.

Arrived in three days from the states... https://www.amazon.com/SCHOOL-Southern-California-Harmony-Records/dp/1461076927 here's the other book of Steve's https://www.amazon.com/Vocal-Groups-1945-1965-Steve-Propes/dp/0936433183

Old School 77 Years of Southern California R&B Vocal Groups by Steve Propes. Excellent source of information. I had to go via US Amazon to get a copy but it was cheap. Steve also did a West Coast Vocal Group book, loads of photos and info Bout the groups but it is really tough to get a copy these days. Rubin Monalas book about the Low Rider Scene is another goold source of info.

I don't really hear the Willingham's these days and much of what I heard the last time I heard them wasn't new but yep they've had their share of newies in the past. Andy's set was pretty well balanced really with quite a few of his favourites that have filled the floor the last few years, records he has made massive such as Cresa Watson etc. The night wasn't really a classic sort of night, it was Lifeline. I agree anywhere else I like some balance, you can't play an hour of unknowns anymore, just won't work. As for requests, especially prior to an event, I prefer to put my trust in the promoter and the DJ to entertain me. I'd ban requests but I always try to play them if asked and I have the record. Thank you for your kind comments re my set

Not saying he was first but if I remember rightly it was big for Steve Smith. It wasn't to expensive or hard to obtain and was quickly picked upon by a few Dj's

That mindset was lost a long time ago. Every aspect of the scene is stale, upfront, crossover and oldies, all playing pretty much records that have been around for a long time. Butch is not interested in Djing in this country it would seem which is a great shame. The only other to my mind who is consistently turning records up is Andy Dyson but the other week, a set full of good lesser and unknown records got little reaction. Far too many more interssted in talking outside or just sitting listening. I do 't know what the answers are? as Phil says the crossover scene is no different to the so called upfront scene, playing records that have been around years with the odd new thing to garner some interest. it would seem to me that many seem to treat it as a social thing with the music coming second, this includes all-nighters as well as soul nights. Probably age having a major say in what people do at a venue. The smoking ban hasn't helped either. Of course the social apsect has always been important but so was the music. The scene as quite rightly said is extremely healthy venue wise but for how long? Still not enough youngsters to carry the torch, especially at all-nighters, many don't seem to travel far and wide but then again you don't have to and what is the point in travelling when what you will hear is pretty much what you can hear locally. I've seen many play lists for all-nighters and they are no different to local oldies nights, I certainly won't travel for that anymore and I won't travel to hear the funk (funky) stuff being played either, much of it second rate, poor quality music (IMO). Whatever people do it is their choice and we are not in a position to argue really. Those that do have an interst in moving e scene forward can only do so from the inside as a promoter or Dj but there is little chance with so many promotions and Dj's up and down the country every week who seem more than happy with the status quo. As Kegsy says just do what makes you happy or stop in.

So Sunday afternoon sessions is the hope for the future of the scene. Don't get me wrong, some great music at the H&G, great crowd but is a Sunday afternoon and home by 9 really the future?

The scene and individuals within it who are in it for themselves rather than, or do not see the bigger picture are eating away at the health of the scene from the inside. The sad thing is by the time they realise what is happening it will be too late. A plethora of venues doesn't equate to health. There is a huge choice of venues with little choice, all doing the same thing, all playing the same thing. The upfront side is no better either with some pretty poor records IMO getting far too much action and the crowds are dwindling, having to make do with a side room to survive. DJ's with no imagination...thats rigth across the board. Makes me sad to see the state the scene is getting itaelf in and we only have ourselves to blame. Far too many people now don't dance, many more than happy to spend the night stood outside....christ knows why anyone would spend a tenner to sit or stand outside a venue? The scene might appear to be on the crest of a commercial wave but those riding that wave who have come from no where, who have no history will disappear just as quickly as they arrived, many youngsters don't travel and once a few commitments come into their lives they will probably disappear as well. As for record prices they are simply forcing people to resort to boots and reissues as stupidity takes over, all sense out of the window,

it's all done via discogs but if the buyer knows you and get in touch via email away from discogs there is nothing to stop you removing the disc from your inventory and doing the deal privately. Trouble is it is the best place to sell, especially for discs that fit the general soul and records that aren't considered in demand. Trouble is most aren't selling as a business, we sell to buy to fund our hobby and it is money we have already paid tax on

Congratulations and keep up the good work!

Plenty of them about mate.

Plenty of collectors who are nothing to do with this scene and many records cross over to other scenes. We will never know for sure what is out there and who has what.

i agreewith you Andy The US is a big place and who know how many copies are out there but the internet has made it a whole lot smaller and I for one never assume there are just one or two copies, only speak of what I know of.

Missed at the time and don't think it has been mentioned on here? Just read that Big Frank Murphy (aka Frank Dell) passed away in July. So pleased to have seen him perform at Cleethorpes, thank you for the music. R.I.P. https://webapp1.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3261252&fh_id=12745

Sad news. R.I.P. George

I've loads of flyers for them also Pete, just need an hour or two to upload it all. Happy to contribute anyway I can, if it upsets a few or doesn't get used so be it ;)

just got to find a bit of time mate and I will upload some stuff for them. There will be a lengthy article about post Wigan soon ;)

a lack of imagination and a loss of all sense in some cases

yes mate. Cresa the first and very rare. Rita pressed up by Major Bill later. Cresa is a yellow label, will sort a scan when I get the chance. Althout the Butch factor comes in to play Andy Dyson probably made it popular everywhere including Kings Hall, thats why Rita is so in demand. When me and Andy compared the 45's sure they sounded differnet takes but not so sure now.

knew it was one of them. Another mate has a copy of Cresa which he was looking to sell. JM probably the best place too.

i know of 4 I think. If Rita Lee is worth that then Cressa must be £10k. It is a 70's press done for the scene by the label owner who was in touch with Barrie Wadd (I think) who was feedimg him info about what was in demand and popular. It was around a ton not too long ago.

very few principles or morals when it comes to record buyers and sellers. Does anyone who sells at large profit give something to the artists involved? Doubt it very much. By general releae I mean to the general record buyers, the pop market. It was made for a specialist market, even more specialised back then and was bought via mail order. I would imagine any royalties from the deal would amount to very little. Again what did Milton owe Ollie for any session costs, probably more than any royalties. Not sure what they were sold at back then, not sure what the deal was between John and Ollie.

There is different criteria for different establishments, clubs, venues, restaurants etc. For a restaurant according to the PRS site.... How is your licence fee calculated?We have a dedicated tariff covering restaurants and cafés. Licence tariffs depend on: seating capacityhow you play music (eg. in the background or DJs and live performances)if music is played on holdFor clubs.... Licence tariffs depend on: the size of your venuethe type of club you're runninghow you play music (eg. in the background, DJs and live performances)if you play music on holdDJs or karaoke jockeys may need a separate ProDub licence to play music at your venue. Please note, where they don’t have one, it may render your licence invalid. All the license types can be found here https://www.prsformusic.com/USERS/BUSINESSESANDLIVEEVENTS/MUSICFORBUSINESSES/Pages/default.aspx

Anywhere that plays music, clubs, shops, workplaces, should have a license. The venue is responsible for that and has to fill in the necessary. Not sure if set lists have to be done these days. Maybe by radio stations and professional DJ's?