Chalky

looking at the one on ebay it's half light blue and half white taken at an angle with camera not the best way to get a decent photo of a record/label. Always worth posting Pete, and if interested in buying and still not sure after refviewing all the info available better to avoid it and avoid possible disappointment. Know lots of dealers/collectors don't even bother with ebay these days.

It is clearly documented that Motown sales were aimed at a white pop market and not the black R&B market, that is where the big sales were and still are. And just where did I say white people can't appreciate soul? Nowhere and I didn't infer it either.

but they weren't always phone boxes were they, often small studios trying to make extra money.

you only have to sit and listen to some of the unissued stuff that is now out there, the Motown, the RCA stuff, some of it with full orchestra and whatever supporting the artist. The studio time alone must have cost a few bob let alone the production costs, and what for, to get rejected and shelved, stored in a dusty vault to be found many years later.

did anyone make a list of these post Stafford Classics (Russ)?

nowt to be sorry about pal, should have made it clearer in original post which one. There could be at least two copies of the Swans, certainly know of and have seen one.

it all depends on the pressing plant/studio. Some will press single figure copies, some it may be minimum of 50, 100, 300, 500...whatever. There were stores in the US you could walk into and record a record for a few dollars and come away with a copy of the recording. So for records which are rare we always use the term "known" as that is the figure known about. There are collectors all over the world that have no association with the Northern Soul scene so who knows what is out there in the big wide world.

Which Little Johnny Hamilton are you talking about? I'm talking about Keep On Moving. Would be surprised if there's more than a couple in the country let alone York. As for Swans yes it was released and I've seen it.

100 is rare in the grand scheme of things. Look at Gene Toones Harry mentioned, it's on ebay once a month yet still considered a rarity. There's plenty more like it. We once did the Rarest Of the Rare topic on Rare Soul Forum and it had to be less than 5 known copies to get in, or some similar figure. Mello Souls Contessa...both June Jackson - Musette Timmy Carr - Workin' Little Johnny Hamilton - Dore Swans - Dore Kell Osborne - Highland

Copies of many of what was considered the rarest of the rare have turned up in recent years. They are still very rare mind. There are still records out there that are known for just the single, two or three known copies.

simply hightlight the URL in your browser address bar, should highlight when you click once in it, then right click and select copy. Then simply right click in the posting area and select paste. Here is the link.... https://www.soul-sour...1entry1058664 maybe the old topic should be moved to Sharp end forum?

it came out with and without Mike Terry credit as far as I know. There are a couple of past topics about this.

yes but it was also demo'ed with the "A" on the other side.

Wasn't someone gonna post the sound file to this?

there is supposed to be a re-issue/boot of Edward Hamilton that has no Nashville Matrix stamp. The common boot is the black and white one.

it was issued twice with the "A" on both sides (not on both sides at the same time though).

Lou Johnson a boot as far as I know.

How do you know it would never have existed? I dare say there would have be some sort of soul scene without Motown but who is right or wrong I guess we will never know. Other labels were collected just as much if not more, especially for those who preferred it more soulful/gritty. Granted many did get into the scene through Motown but many soon looked elsewhere when they realised it isn't all about Motown, especially since much of it is commercial and as I said aimed at a white pop market.

yep should be red "A".

There are tons of lesser known 60's tracks too, or should I say lesser played. You only have to go through dealers websites and listen or refosoul to find them. All it takes is a bit of patience, something DJ's and dancefloors don't have these days. Dunno about tons of 70's, think most 70's, like the 60's, are known (maybe not to the dancers but to dealers and collectors they are known) but again they maybe haven't the quality of previous 70's before them. DJ's and collectors moved onto 70's some years ago when the 60's started to dry up.

Motown R&B??? Much of the popular Motown is just that pop. It was aimed at a white pop audience. Berry Gordy knew he couldn't mass market and sell millions to the black audience, thats why he didn't use photos of the groups on the sleeves to begin with. There are 100's of labels that strived to create their own sound and not copy/impersonate Motown, other Detroit labels included and many of these are just as important to the scene. Not everyone subscibes to your ideals, Motown, yes it made some great music, some shite too, but it isn't the bedrock of the scene to all of us.

I see this topic has gone the way of many before it....... Was the original question era or genres? or do they mean they same the 60's was the best era!! But today there are very few quality "new" 60's records being discovered. Like Ivor said the few that are are acetates or unissued tapes. Crossover has limited appeal so hardly the mainstream Northern Scene, you can't dance to most of it, ok if all you do is sit and listen. Much of the mainstream Northern Scene has hardly progressed for years sticking to what was in eras gone by. There are still plenty from the 80's that will be still unknown to many who weren't there so maybe that era is an area that will eventually be tapped into, some of the top DJ's are already going back to the 80's with plays like the Limitations and The Flairs (Butch).

Good choice Sean me owd!! Got this on the shelf with another one or two and the LP is kicking about somewhere!!

What Northern Soul is all about IMHO. Its far from perfect but that's probably the appeal of the record, a bunch of blokes giving it their all in the studio.