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Just been trawling through my cd collection and found the cd. Some useful info in the sleeve notes. The track "I'll see you through" is the same song as Luther Ingram I'll be your shelter, which was written by Homer banks,Raymond jackson & Carl Hampton but is credited as unknown on her album. Kev

What year was it released, before I start trawling through old B&S. I am almost certain that Colin Dilnot told me that he lent his copy of the album to Soul Brother records to make a copy. He definitely did it with one album John Clement might be able to confirm. Kev

"I'll see you through" off the album is actually the same song as "I'll be your shelter" by Luther Ingram, but re-titled. I think Luther's came first, as it was the follow up to "If loving you is wrong" The album is on Spotify if anyone wants a listen Kev

310 has "Let me down Easy" on the other side. Not the Betty LaVette song.. Was also covered by GC Cameron on his Love songs & other Tragedies album Kev

Here you Go Kev

Thanks Mick, that's interesting. there are two versions on vinyl then. Kev

I listened to the sample (which has gone now) and it sounded the same as the version by the Younghearts and Kings of Hearts. But many of the mp3 versions uploaded on to you tube and on cd are different to the actual single This is the cd version at 50 seconds it says "You don't have to be baby, a millionaire, just stick with me baby, and together we will share" or something like and this is the 45 version where at 50 seconds its says "A little togetherness baby, that's all we need" I have an original Younghearts and a Kings of Hearts version and they are both the same as the second version I have shown above. Does anyone have a 45 with the same lyrics as version 1 above...........does it exist as a 45? Kev

James Wells - Baby I'm still the same man - Great voice

Only just noticed that it has The Younghearts not the Tempos credited on the B side. May have been a typo

It sounds like it's taken from The Montclairs - Make up for lost time Kev

Ha ha, Just because someone can play saxophone to level grade 8 doesn't make them Mike Terry. Tons of things missing, like guitar licks, kitchen sink, etc. .............empathy? Kev

Missed this one off last time. Not many versions come close to Al Green's but this almost surpasses it' Bobby M featuring Jean Carn on Gordy Kev

Two of my faves from the later Motown years Tata Vega - I need you now G C Cameron - Your love won't turn me loose - From Love songs and other tragedies Kev

Having just played Chris Jackson - I'll never forget you on Soul City it reminded me of that old mystery. Did anyone ever discover whether or not he was in fact Chris Bartley? The Marke Jackson version on Jamie credits Van McCoy, so that's a connection, but the Chris Jackson UK version doesn't. Different B sides too. Both versions are the same and both credited to C. Jackson, but everything about the record sounds to me like Chris Bartley. Did Dave Godin ever say anything about it. Thanks Kev

I have a few of the Motown radioplay albums and was surprised to find a different mix of Brenda Holloway - Just look what you've done. Has anyone found that any of the other albums have different mixes of songs. I wonder who compiled them, as they include a lot of lesser known tracks. Kev

I'm in hot water now. Clutching at straws? scalding adjective (LIQUID) › If a liquid is scalding, it is extremely hot: scalding tea scalding hot waterscalding adjective (CRITICISM) › If criticism is scalding, it is very strong or violent.(Definition of scalding from the Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)

Behind my back my friends are silently scalding me Kev

Me too! I suppose the fact that I don't sell or trade it on must mean I'm a collector, or more likely " a hoarder" Kev

Not sure if this has been a thread in its own right or whether it has been covered in other threads. After John Manship's auctions I often take a look and if there's anything featured that I already own, then I'm showing it to the wife saying, "look how much that went for", I've got that, here, look!" ...Her reply is always the same............."sell it then and let's have the money" Needless to say, she's not into northern soul and wouldn't have a clue what my collection is worth. In fact, I'm not sure I would know myself. There's all those £5 - £10 singles that I love, but in reality, would I really get that for them. Some of my late 60's and most of my 70's records were bought as new records, so apart from the ones that became popular and went up in value like Bettye Swann, Grover Mitchell, Lou Ragland, Martha Reeves, etc. most of them probably haven't increased in value in today's terms. It often crosses my mind to sell, but I always seem to regret it, whenever I do. I like having that piece of history, that beautiful piece of vinyl in its original sleeve, even if it's only to look at. I don't collect to make money on them and I don't dj anymore, so it's just for pleasure. Record dealers apart, as a collector, does rare soul vinyl value just keep pace with inflation, or can you be shrewd and make money. In terms of investment, would I have been better off putting my money into an ISA, stocks & shares, or even the building society, over time. I accept that interest rates aren't great at the moment, but, over the 47 years I've been collecting vinyl, would I for example, have been better off keeping Patrice Holloway - Love & Desire on UK Capitol. I sold it for £40 in 1976, If I had put that money into the building society, would I now have considerably more than the current value of that same record? Does the price of RSV only fluctuate with its popularity on the dance floor and if so, is that the best time to sell, when it's popular. Are the current silly prices some records fetch, a spike or is it a trend ? Kev

I think you're right Robb. I'm not sure what the limitation period is in the states, but could Berry Gordy still go after HDH if he could prove that at that time they were writing, they were still under contract to Motown and if so, would he be entitled to his loss, which would be a share of the profits made by Invictus. I know Invictus no longer exists, but HDH still exist, albeit as individuals. Im not a lawyer, but in the UK I think (not sure) it is 12 years after the point of knowledge. I'll get my tin hat. Kev

There's a thread on soulful Detroit from 2003 which just reiterates what we already know. https://soulfuldetroit.com/archives/1157/4841.html?1061365045 Kev

I think this was dierected at Golden 101................different Kev

You could be right. Potentially, could there be a law suit pending if they ever admitted publicly to being Edith Wayne. Good point Kev

I still go back to my question to him. Why would he lie. He said she was the cleaner in their building. Why put one ficticious name on the credits and one genuine name. Clearly they couldn't use their own names. Doesn't make sense.

No mention of Edith Wayne in your interviews. Who was she in your opinion. Why would they have one credible contributer and not another! Kev